Comments on: Banned! Ground effect http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:33:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luke Pitman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-748599 Luke Pitman Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:27:04 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-748599 I so agree with your post, F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports so why do they keep slowing it down. Why cant someone build a 3000 horsepower car with 4 wheeldrive and ground effect. I so agree with your post, F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports so why do they keep slowing it down. Why cant someone build a 3000 horsepower car with 4 wheeldrive and ground effect.

]]> By: MinusTwo http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-520738 MinusTwo Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:09:04 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-520738 I know that it was the right thing to do for saftey reasons... so I don't disagree with banning ground effects.. but for some reason, I just find the whole idea of slowing the cars down, reducing cornering speeds, etc. goes against my F1 DNA. You just watch the designers working so hard to eek our every tenth of performance in the cars under the curent regulations, and then there are concepts like this that would instantly make the cars SO much faster.. I have always thought that there should be one racing series in the world with unlimited budgets and completely unlimited technology to push the limits of what is possible. I know I am just dreaming, but it is a beautiful dream. I know that it was the right thing to do for saftey reasons… so I don’t disagree with banning ground effects.. but for some reason, I just find the whole idea of slowing the cars down, reducing cornering speeds, etc. goes against my F1 DNA. You just watch the designers working so hard to eek our every tenth of performance in the cars under the curent regulations, and then there are concepts like this that would instantly make the cars SO much faster..

I have always thought that there should be one racing series in the world with unlimited budgets and completely unlimited technology to push the limits of what is possible. I know I am just dreaming, but it is a beautiful dream.

]]> By: alastair http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-490675 alastair Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:24:13 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-490675 Is it entirely fair to blame GE for all the incidents listed in this article? Sure, they contributed, but the cars were generally more dangerous and the drivers more vulnerable than they are now. Bringing back GE with today's safety technology will definitely improve cars' ability to follow one another closely enough to get past and the proposed engines are nothing nearly as vicious as the ones which killed so many drivers. Agree that the safety of driver and spectators is paramount, but things have moved on and it's time for GE to come back. Is it entirely fair to blame GE for all the incidents listed in this article? Sure, they contributed, but the cars were generally more dangerous and the drivers more vulnerable than they are now.

Bringing back GE with today’s safety technology will definitely improve cars’ ability to follow one another closely enough to get past and the proposed engines are nothing nearly as vicious as the ones which killed so many drivers.

Agree that the safety of driver and spectators is paramount, but things have moved on and it’s time for GE to come back.

]]> By: The Veteren http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-432776 The Veteren Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:44:59 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-432776 Ground effect aerodynamics are vital to bring some much needed overtaking back to Formula 1, and boost popularity by making the sport more exciting. Following a car in front causes loss of grip, as insufficient air passes over the front wings, caused by the vacuum left by the leading car. Re-introduce ground effect, remove reliance on front wings = more interesting sport! Cars are much safer than '78. I'm looking forward to the changes.... Ground effect aerodynamics are vital to bring some much needed overtaking back to Formula 1, and boost popularity by making the sport more exciting.

Following a car in front causes loss of grip, as insufficient air passes over the front wings, caused by the vacuum left by the leading car.

Re-introduce ground effect, remove reliance on front wings = more interesting sport!

Cars are much safer than ’78. I’m looking forward to the changes….

]]> By: wasiF1 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-423190 wasiF1 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:04:06 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-423190 After reading all the causalities I think Ground effect shouldn't comeback in F1. After reading all the causalities I think Ground effect shouldn’t comeback in F1.

]]> By: Tedd McHenry http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-228656 Tedd McHenry Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:47:52 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-228656 Just a nit, but it's not really correct to say that ground effects was banned from F1. Flat-bottomed cars were mandated, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and ground effect is still extremely important in the design of an F1 car. Just a nit, but it’s not really correct to say that ground effects was banned from F1. Flat-bottomed cars were mandated, but you can’t put the genie back in the bottle, and ground effect is still extremely important in the design of an F1 car.

]]> By: Keith Collantine http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-49232 Keith Collantine Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:45:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-49232 I'm going to have to start putting a references section at the bottom of these articles! OK: "Lotus: The Competition Cars" (invaluable for this series, it's a damn good book), Nigel Roebuck's biography of Mario Andretti, Steve Olvey's excellent autobiography "Rapid Response" and, as ever, a thick stack of Autosports. I recently acquired the black-fronted issue from May 1982 after Villeneuve's death :-( Here are the links for the books: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/09/24/rapid-response-dr-stephen-olvey-2006/ http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/04/15/mario-andretti-world-champion-nigel-roebuck-1979/ http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/07/15/f1-book-review-lotus-the-competition-cars-anthony-pritchard/ Happy reading! There is a new book coming out on the 1982 season which I am sure which touch on this subject and we will have a review of soon... I’m going to have to start putting a references section at the bottom of these articles!

OK: “Lotus: The Competition Cars” (invaluable for this series, it’s a damn good book), Nigel Roebuck’s biography of Mario Andretti, Steve Olvey’s excellent autobiography “Rapid Response” and, as ever, a thick stack of Autosports. I recently acquired the black-fronted issue from May 1982 after Villeneuve’s death :-(

Here are the links for the books:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/09/24/rapid-response-dr-stephen-olvey-2006/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/04/15/mario-andretti-world-champion-nigel-roebuck-1979/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/07/15/f1-book-review-lotus-the-competition-cars-anthony-pritchard/

Happy reading!

There is a new book coming out on the 1982 season which I am sure which touch on this subject and we will have a review of soon…

]]> By: Simon Stiel http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-49220 Simon Stiel Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:39:25 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-49220 Apologies for bothering you again but what books did you use to gather the information for this article? Many thanks. Apologies for bothering you again but what books did you use to gather the information for this article?

Many thanks.

]]> By: Simon Stiel http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-49219 Simon Stiel Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:38:51 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-49219 Sorry to bother you but what books did you use to gather the information for this article? Many thanks. Sorry to bother you but what books did you use to gather the information for this article?

Many thanks.

]]> By: Keith Collantine http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/comment-page-1/#comment-48899 Keith Collantine Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:51:26 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/06/07/banned-ground-effects/#comment-48899 The ban on moveable aerodynamic parts pre-dates ground effects - when Brabham's fan car was banned in '78 that was on the grounds that it contained moveable aerodynamic parts: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/02/22/banned-brabham-alfa-romeo-bt46b-fan-car/ The CART walk-out was at Texas in 2001. The ban on moveable aerodynamic parts pre-dates ground effects – when Brabham’s fan car was banned in ’78 that was on the grounds that it contained moveable aerodynamic parts:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/02/22/banned-brabham-alfa-romeo-bt46b-fan-car/

The CART walk-out was at Texas in 2001.

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