Video: What did Massa say to Alonso?

Felipe Massa, Fernando Alonso, Nurburgring, 2007Here’s video footage of Felipe Massa and Fernando Alonso’s argument after the European Grand Prix.

Alonso passed Massa with a handful of laps to spare at the Nurburgring, taking the lead from him in a smart pass around the outside at the Valvoline Kurve that ended with the two banging wheels.

It looked to me that if anyone had a right to be angry about it, it was Alonso, who was clearly ahead of Massa when the Ferrari touched the McLaren. But Massa looks like the agitated one, although I can’t tell what they’re saying. Any interpreters out there?

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32 comments on Video: What did Massa say to Alonso?

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  1. Dan M said on 24th July 2007, 0:07

    Sorry not a translator, but it seems as though Alonso was very level headed and even offered to try to explain the situation from his side.

    I must say though I love how Massa wears his emotions on his sleeve.

  2. Definitely interpreters required. But which language are they speaking, Spanish (Alonso being Spanish) or Portuguese (Massa, Brazilian)? In long debate with my wife who speaks Spanish pretty well (and I have an ear for Portuguese, having known a few in Africa), we have come to the conclusion that it’s neither; it’s Italian. At one point Alonso says, “Andiamo”, meaning “Let’s go,” in Italian, and “tutto il monde” is mentioned at another, meaning “the whole world” or “everyone” in the same language. So we reckon it’s Italian but neither of us has enough of that language to interpret more than the odd word or phrase.

    It is interesting that Italian should be their chosen form of communication; English is more usually the lingua franca of F1. Who would have guessed that Alonso is so fluent in Italian? Perhaps there is more to the rumours of a future move to Ferrari than meets the eye (or ear)… ;)

  3. Ben Goldberg said on 24th July 2007, 0:21

    You seem to be right Clive, because I found this translation and well, just take a look…

    Alonso: “You broke my sidepod there…, go and have a look at it!”
    Massa: “Go **** yourself! You’ve won and you say something like this, ******, you win and say something like this.”
    Alonso: “I fought with Heidfeld, i fought with everyone, but you can’t do that.”
    Massa: (Touching Alonso) “Try to learn something”
    Alonso: “You try to learn something”
    Massa: “Try to learn something!”
    Alonso: “Try to learn something, i fought with all the world today, and with 3 laps to go, we touch!”
    Massa: (sitting on his chair) “Good job!”
    Alonso: “Good job!”
    Massa: (Standing up, sarcastic tone) “I did that on purpose, like i did that on porpuse in Barcelona!”
    Alonso: “Ok, ok…”
    Massa: (Touching Alonso) “Try to learn something”
    Massa: (Looking to someone who invite him to relax) “That’s him!”
    Fia official: “Quite”

  4. Nikos Darzentas said on 24th July 2007, 0:24

    Alonso said something to Massa that got him going while he was playing “level headed”, and that something became clear afterwards in their statements: he told Massa that he thought the Brazilian touched him intentionally, for which Alonso later publicly apologised… it was all over the news, how could you miss it?

    you should actually be commenting on Alonso’s (usual) silly theatrics showing the tyre mark on his car to the cameraman and gesturing “no no”

    I won’t be surprised if M. Schumacher is sucked into this, blamed for teaching Massa naughty driving tactics…

    as far as I’m concerned, we’re seeing brilliant drivers at work in very competitive cars

  5. these 2 guys are hilarious :-) if the title fight goes down the wire between these 2, we are in for loads of fun :-)

  6. Journeyer said on 24th July 2007, 3:49

    Clive, I think Alonso learned Italian from his days in the lower formulae and in Minardi. Why not English? No idea. hee.

  7. You got that a bit wrong Clive.

    Basically Alphonso, since he got off the car, was complaining to Massa.

    The video, wich I post a more complete one, just confirms this. Alphonso keeps on complaining, telling Massa “You did that on purpose”, and Massa looses his patience, and goes like “you win and you still are whining? Grow up!”

    The thing is, Alphonso has no humility of any kind, and always goes crybabying about everything, if he’s not wining. Now we see that even when he wins he whines. And had to apologize after, obviously.

    He is not very fluent in english, but that is a cultural thing, spanish people don’t like english/america very much, they are very conservative about stuff like that, and their accent is more like reading english in spanish, not giving it the proper accent. For example, he calls Lewis “Luis”, the spanish more similar sound. I really hate that, bollocks if you ask me.

  8. Journeyer: Ah yes, it could be Minardi where Alonso learned his Italian. Was forgetting that…

    Haplo: It’s all in how you see it, I guess, Haplo. Looks to me like a minor squabble in the heat of the moment that Alonso soon puts behind him. Sure, he pointed out the tyre marks on the sidepod to the assembled observers, but I don’t think Massa was even present at the time. And yes, the Spaniard is the first to say anything about the incident. But it sure doesn’t take Massa long to become pretty animated – and stay that way.

    As for Alonso’s English, I think he does much better than the majority of English people would do when attempting Spanish. Most of the drivers are fairly fluent in English as that is the language of almost all the teams and Alonso succeeds in getting his point across.

  9. Ben Goldberg said on 24th July 2007, 6:19

    Did anyone hear how Alonso pronounced “apologize” in the post race conference? He said it about two or three times before I realized what he was saying. Of course he has an accent but he really made that word his own.

  10. Diana said on 24th July 2007, 8:29

    Alonso speaks several languages, and Italian is one of them. He took part in a lot of races in Italy when he was a boy and in his years in Renault, he had several Italian parners (Fisico, Trulli…).

    I think Alonso was upset because he is not fool. He knows perfectly how is Massas’s beahavour when he drives. In Barcelona he did something similar to this (he had a good teacher in Schumacher). Alonso just told him that he had had a bad behaviour and Felipe began to insult him (some things he said were in Brasilian; that’s why it was not easy to understand him). I think Massa was really annoyed due to the great way Alonso overtook him while it was raining. Massa’s last laps with rain were pathetic.

    Fernando was very polite when he apologized in front of the cameras, but he was right. Massa is as dirty as Shumi, but luckily, less effective.

  11. Nikos Darzentas said on 24th July 2007, 9:18

    thank you Diana for not surprising me… see my message (4) – I’ve seen more aggressive driving this year from the McLaren boys, but that’s ok of course… double standards…

  12. Carldec said on 24th July 2007, 9:49

    Gee Halpo… your one to critisize “alphonso”

    I am getting really tired of this “Alonso is a whinner” BS. He is the greatest driver of his era and is on a run to be take three consecutive WDC’s and that makes him one of the top drivers ever in the sport.

    Someone whacked you in the side as you were passing them for the win after one of the craziest and most stressful races in history and you then parked the car 5 minutes later and see the damage. Now you’ve got cameras in your face, you are on world wide TV… How could you keep from pointing at the damage!

    You have just won a hugely important race… You have driven brilliantly under exstream conditions, you have just narrowly avoided a DNF because of another drivers swerve and you point at the mark he made on your car…

    There are no mikes, you’ve got your helmet on, so you wag your finger….

    Then you would have to be some kind of stoic to not mention the damage when you see the guy that did it about 2 minutes later.

    The insuing spat was really minor… both guys saying that the other needs to “learn”.. Its massa that drops the f word… and Fernando handles that well by ignoring it.

    Then 5 minutes later, on world wide tv, after a drink of limonade and a deep breath, Alonso apologizes for his comments to Fellipe.

    I think he did the right thing, handled himself well and has nothing to be ashamed of. He deserves praise for how well he handled it…..

    Massa is the one who should be critisized for being hot headed driver who gets bent out fo shape when he has his ass handed to him by a better driver. If his dangerous swerve into Alonsos side pod was intentional like Massa says, then he really is the one that should be ashamed of his actions.

  13. Toby said on 24th July 2007, 10:07

    Diana, you must be Alonso’s mother.

  14. Journeyer said on 24th July 2007, 10:27

    Sorry, Carldec, but I disagree. Fernando is a great driver, brilliant even. He earned that for beating Kimi in 05, and MS in 06.

    But there is more to an F1 driver than just his driving. His attitude also counts. He didn’t need to wag the finger at parc ferme, he didn’t need to blame Massa for what happened, he should’ve just been happy he won and congratulated Felipe on a good fight. Alonso shouldn’t have taken issue with the damage, it happens a lot in F1! Sheesh. Anyway, the apology was good, but not good enough in my opinion. Alonso didn’t ignore the f word, he continued to argue with Massa anyway, but did well to avoid saying the f word.

    I’m with Felipe on this one, but he should be avoiding that f word.

    Anyway, here’s a revised version of the dialogue I found from

    Alonso: You did it intentionally, as in Barcelona.
    Massa: No, I did not.
    Alonso: You broke my sidepod there – go and have a look at it!
    Massa: Go f**k yourself!. You won and you say something like this.
    Alonso: Mate, it can’t break itself.
    Alonso: I have fought with Heidfeld, with everybody, what you did with three laps to go can’t be done.
    Massa: He wins and says that. You must learn.
    Alonso: It is you who has to learn. I have fought with everybody and with three laps to go, we touch!
    Massa: (Sarcastic) Bravo.
    Alonso: Bravo you!
    Massa: You say that I did it on purpose, like I did that on purpose in Barcelona?. You were remained behind.
    (As this point Ron Dennis steps in)
    Dennis: Boys calm down.
    Massa: Tell him to!

  15. You will not see Raikkonen behaving like Alonso when he wins. I get SO annoyed with Alonso bouncing around like a monkey on acid whenever he wins. It’s embarrassing.

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