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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/30/debate-youth-vs-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-62403</link>
		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been satisfied that I saw Justin Wilson&#039;s full ability, squashed as it was in uncompetitive machinery. But that&#039;s another story. Nowadays the only true pay drivers are the Spyker ones. Everyone else is one of the top two talents that team&#039;s driver scheme has produced. Independent drivers don&#039;t stand much of a chance these days - ask Timo Glock. It is only when an independent driver is better than a team-scheme-developed driver, or an unexpected change in form occurs, that the &quot;better drivers were available&quot; has been used in the last 18 months.

The other point is that Hamilton is in a team that would never have  considered using a full-time rookie a few years back. That was because there were several independent teams back then, at which a young driver could earn their spurs before McLaren took them on (Lotus for Mika Hakkinen, Williams for David Coulthard and Juan Pablo Montoya, and Sauber for Kimi Raikkonen). Even successful independent teams generally take more risks than manufacturers at the same success level.

Of course, most of the independents are gone now, and Williams have taken Wurz from McLaren, so McLaren is suddenly required to take more risks. Hence why Lewis Hamilton started his career at McLaren - and why McLaren is seeing the truth of the EJ quote journeyer gave in the previous post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been satisfied that I saw Justin Wilson&#8217;s full ability, squashed as it was in uncompetitive machinery. But that&#8217;s another story. Nowadays the only true pay drivers are the Spyker ones. Everyone else is one of the top two talents that team&#8217;s driver scheme has produced. Independent drivers don&#8217;t stand much of a chance these days &#8211; ask Timo Glock. It is only when an independent driver is better than a team-scheme-developed driver, or an unexpected change in form occurs, that the &#8220;better drivers were available&#8221; has been used in the last 18 months.</p>
<p>The other point is that Hamilton is in a team that would never have  considered using a full-time rookie a few years back. That was because there were several independent teams back then, at which a young driver could earn their spurs before McLaren took them on (Lotus for Mika Hakkinen, Williams for David Coulthard and Juan Pablo Montoya, and Sauber for Kimi Raikkonen). Even successful independent teams generally take more risks than manufacturers at the same success level.</p>
<p>Of course, most of the independents are gone now, and Williams have taken Wurz from McLaren, so McLaren is suddenly required to take more risks. Hence why Lewis Hamilton started his career at McLaren &#8211; and why McLaren is seeing the truth of the EJ quote journeyer gave in the previous post!</p>
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		<title>By: Journeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/30/debate-youth-vs-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-62186</link>
		<dc:creator>Journeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number 38, Eddie also answered that question: Because there&#039;s a chance he might be VERY good, like say, Michael Schumacher-good.  :)  And for the smaller teams, that&#039;s the chance only they will ever have the balls to take.  Because the manufacturers would never imagine doing anything like that.

As for the 3-5 year apprenticeship, that&#039;s true, not everyone is a Schumacher or Senna who are regularly quick right off the bat.  Alonso took a few years to get there (3-4 years), Hakkinen even longer (6-7 years).  Even Hamilton got tons of simulator time (for a year or so) to be where he is now.  Some of the teams just aren&#039;t patient enough for that.  For example, look at Justin Wilson and Robert Doornbos.  They bumped them out of F1 without a thought.  But look at them now at Champ Cars, both are right at the front.  Could they have been good enough for F1 had they been given a better opportunity?  I doubt we&#039;ll ever know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number 38, Eddie also answered that question: Because there&#8217;s a chance he might be VERY good, like say, Michael Schumacher-good.  <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And for the smaller teams, that&#8217;s the chance only they will ever have the balls to take.  Because the manufacturers would never imagine doing anything like that.</p>
<p>As for the 3-5 year apprenticeship, that&#8217;s true, not everyone is a Schumacher or Senna who are regularly quick right off the bat.  Alonso took a few years to get there (3-4 years), Hakkinen even longer (6-7 years).  Even Hamilton got tons of simulator time (for a year or so) to be where he is now.  Some of the teams just aren&#8217;t patient enough for that.  For example, look at Justin Wilson and Robert Doornbos.  They bumped them out of F1 without a thought.  But look at them now at Champ Cars, both are right at the front.  Could they have been good enough for F1 had they been given a better opportunity?  I doubt we&#8217;ll ever know.</p>
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		<title>By: Number 38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice quote Jouneyer, qoute from Eddie Jordan:
 As Eddie Jordan said, â€œWhy go for someone who you know isnâ€™t good enough?â€ But I ask &quot;Why go for someone you DON&#039;T KNOW is any good?
There&#039;s too many kids and most opinions are right on.....the rich ones get to race, the good ones get to watch. 
The bottom line it takes 3 to 5 years to &#039;mature&#039; a driver with sufficient experience and many good ones aren&#039;t able to get through the 5 years apprenticeship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice quote Jouneyer, qoute from Eddie Jordan:<br />
 As Eddie Jordan said, â€œWhy go for someone who you know isnâ€™t good enough?â€ But I ask &#8220;Why go for someone you DON&#8217;T KNOW is any good?<br />
There&#8217;s too many kids and most opinions are right on&#8230;..the rich ones get to race, the good ones get to watch.<br />
The bottom line it takes 3 to 5 years to &#8216;mature&#8217; a driver with sufficient experience and many good ones aren&#8217;t able to get through the 5 years apprenticeship.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/30/debate-youth-vs-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-62127</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So called because there is no prize. Have fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So called because there is no prize. Have fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, you are right Robert - you win the Deliberate Mistake Prize ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, you are right Robert &#8211; you win the Deliberate Mistake Prize <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being pedantic: isn&#039;t DC set for a 4th year with Red Bull? This is his third already, he started racing for them in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being pedantic: isn&#8217;t DC set for a 4th year with Red Bull? This is his third already, he started racing for them in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Journeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/30/debate-youth-vs-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-62112</link>
		<dc:creator>Journeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, alianora!  But key point here:  many rookies don&#039;t last because they&#039;re not necessarily the best ones.  They tend to be the richest ones.  And they&#039;re not necessarily one and the same.

Nonetheless, I prefer youth over experience.  As Eddie Jordan said, &quot;Why go for someone who you know isn&#039;t good enough?&quot;  But I do understand those who pick experience, because these guys are more knowledgeable technically, and quite simply, they&#039;re more mature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, alianora!  But key point here:  many rookies don&#8217;t last because they&#8217;re not necessarily the best ones.  They tend to be the richest ones.  And they&#8217;re not necessarily one and the same.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I prefer youth over experience.  As Eddie Jordan said, &#8220;Why go for someone who you know isn&#8217;t good enough?&#8221;  But I do understand those who pick experience, because these guys are more knowledgeable technically, and quite simply, they&#8217;re more mature.</p>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/30/debate-youth-vs-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-62108</link>
		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are always more talented up-and-comers than there are spaces. In the days when F1 teams proliferated, many of them were dependent on sponsor funding (leaving talented paupers in the cold). Nowadays, the simple problem is that there aren&#039;t enough teams to take on all the talents, even if they were all fully-funded.

That said, the standard of driver is improving - even Adrian Sutil would do well in a better team, and he&#039;s paying huge amounts for his seat - and there is also the problem of longevity. Since 2003, there have been 24 rookies - of which only nine are on the grid now. Of those nine, three began this season and another two the year before. In other words, the rookies that are getting in aren&#039;t lasting.

It&#039;s got to the point where vast amounts of experience are necessary if a driver expects to remain competitive across a span of several years. Youth may be faster in its debut season, but the young drivers tend to fare badly in their second and third years. This is why teams are so keen to keep on the more experienced drivers, even when they expect their rookies to be beating them by the end of the season. They&#039;re needed to keep team development on an even keel and keep the rookie&#039;s performance in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are always more talented up-and-comers than there are spaces. In the days when F1 teams proliferated, many of them were dependent on sponsor funding (leaving talented paupers in the cold). Nowadays, the simple problem is that there aren&#8217;t enough teams to take on all the talents, even if they were all fully-funded.</p>
<p>That said, the standard of driver is improving &#8211; even Adrian Sutil would do well in a better team, and he&#8217;s paying huge amounts for his seat &#8211; and there is also the problem of longevity. Since 2003, there have been 24 rookies &#8211; of which only nine are on the grid now. Of those nine, three began this season and another two the year before. In other words, the rookies that are getting in aren&#8217;t lasting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s got to the point where vast amounts of experience are necessary if a driver expects to remain competitive across a span of several years. Youth may be faster in its debut season, but the young drivers tend to fare badly in their second and third years. This is why teams are so keen to keep on the more experienced drivers, even when they expect their rookies to be beating them by the end of the season. They&#8217;re needed to keep team development on an even keel and keep the rookie&#8217;s performance in perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Milos, there will always be the up-and-coming guys - especially when a rookie like Hamilton does so well, then suddenly every team should be full of these young inexperienced drivers but it&#039;s also best if these people get the chance to drive alongside older guys to learn from them.

The number one priority for a team should always be talent and skill, not age - but the smaller teams haven&#039;t always had that luxury and instead have had to put money first which at the end of the day hasn&#039;t really helped them close the gap performance-wise to the big guns at the front.

Having said that, there are some teams who seem to be throwing good money after bad to retain drivers which from the outside don&#039;t really seem worth keeping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Milos, there will always be the up-and-coming guys &#8211; especially when a rookie like Hamilton does so well, then suddenly every team should be full of these young inexperienced drivers but it&#8217;s also best if these people get the chance to drive alongside older guys to learn from them.</p>
<p>The number one priority for a team should always be talent and skill, not age &#8211; but the smaller teams haven&#8217;t always had that luxury and instead have had to put money first which at the end of the day hasn&#8217;t really helped them close the gap performance-wise to the big guns at the front.</p>
<p>Having said that, there are some teams who seem to be throwing good money after bad to retain drivers which from the outside don&#8217;t really seem worth keeping!</p>
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		<title>By: milos</title>
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		<dc:creator>milos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glock or Jani or Vettel did not make it yet, but in past 2 years Kubica, Rosberg, Kovalainen, Sutil Hamilton did ... We can&#039;t expect the whole F1 grid to retire and make a way for new blood. I think also the young guns enjoy the chance to race with and learn from the guys like Coulthard, Barrichello (or M.Schumacher last year) ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glock or Jani or Vettel did not make it yet, but in past 2 years Kubica, Rosberg, Kovalainen, Sutil Hamilton did &#8230; We can&#8217;t expect the whole F1 grid to retire and make a way for new blood. I think also the young guns enjoy the chance to race with and learn from the guys like Coulthard, Barrichello (or M.Schumacher last year) &#8230;</p>
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