Comments on: Dennis says Alonso not to blame http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:01:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zulu http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-63553 Zulu Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:10:06 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-63553 You know what would be a brilliant end to the season. When Mclaren is punished during the Sept 13th hearing and all points from them and the drivers are docked....hehe...I want Kimi to win :) You know what would be a brilliant end to the season. When Mclaren is punished during the Sept 13th hearing and all points from them and the drivers are docked….hehe…I want Kimi to win :)

]]> By: josema garcia http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-63186 josema garcia Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:44:51 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-63186 Dear McLaren Man There's only one thing you may be right about. Alonso won't be in McLarens next year. That's a nest of snakes, especially the one driving car #2. I wonder who will take Lewis as a mate next year: Sato, Liuzzi? Who'll set up the cars then? Not Lewis that's for sure Dear McLaren Man
There’s only one thing you may be right about.
Alonso won’t be in McLarens next year.
That’s a nest of snakes, especially the one driving car #2.
I wonder who will take Lewis as a mate next year: Sato, Liuzzi?
Who’ll set up the cars then? Not Lewis that’s for sure

]]> By: josema garcia http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-63184 josema garcia Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:37:26 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-63184 I wonder if you (neighbors from the islands) would believe McLaren boss if he had decided to attack Fernando. Lewis is a spoilt boy. He's been cheating since the beginning of the season. He can't set up his car and he's been systematically cheating on Fernando's. Just remind you that setting up a car it 75% of a victory. Lewis wouldn't set up an alarm clock if his life depended on it. I wonder if you (neighbors from the islands) would believe McLaren boss if he had decided to attack Fernando.
Lewis is a spoilt boy. He’s been cheating since the beginning of the season. He can’t set up his car and he’s been systematically cheating on Fernando’s.
Just remind you that setting up a car it 75% of a victory.
Lewis wouldn’t set up an alarm clock if his life depended on it.

]]> By: Eva http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-63130 Eva Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:26:35 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-63130 David is right... good mini-blog...fair and realistic! :-) David is right… good mini-blog…fair and realistic!

:-)

]]> By: Craig http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-62941 Craig Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:50:25 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62941 When it's a problem between drivers within one team, should the stewards even be involved? I would think it's only a matter for them had Alonso held up Massa for example. Maybe why I don't work for the FIA! When it’s a problem between drivers within one team, should the stewards even be involved? I would think it’s only a matter for them had Alonso held up Massa for example.

Maybe why I don’t work for the FIA!

]]> By: david berger http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-2/#comment-62890 david berger Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:37:01 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62890 What strikes me as odd is that this happened in the prior pitstop as well. Something was most certainly out of sequence, but I do not feel it was Alonso. If there is a rift within the team, Which lets face it, OF COURSE THERE IS and that was displayed today by those who develop the strategy and not those who execute it (i.e. the drivers). The rift is that of competition. They have two drivers on the same team competing for the world championship in similar equipment within 2 points of each other. What seems to excite the press and thereby exacerbate the issue is that this happened between "teammates". I have news for you...this is MOTORSPORT. It is a team sport and that team consists of the driver and his crew. Not two drivers who are buddies. When Rubens pulled over to hand a race over to Michael that was far worse than this incident. The fact that Alonso and Hamilton wear the same livery is nothing more than giving the advertisers more value for their Billions of dollars. It is a convenience that gives the ad folks more airtime and a greater probability that their brand will remain on track for the duration of the race. In the end, while they may wear the same uniforms, right now the championship is being raced between Alonso's crew and that of Hamiltons, Two very separate teams right now. I do not blame Hamilton for not pulling over nor to I blame Alonso for waiting if he was instructed to do so OR it was in his best interest to do so based on the position of the remaining vehicles on track etc. THIS IS RACING! In the good old days with Hill, Lauda Berger, Senna, Prost etc. the antics were far worse even life threatening to some degree. This sport is getting to "Rulesey" and Soft! The more rules this sport gets the more cheating is going to occur. Personally I find this to be one fo the greatest seasons in a long time. Now that Michael is gone the sport is up for grabs again and man is there some talent out there. The main pattern I see forming here is this: THE TRACKS NEED UPDATING! With the billions poured into this sport it's time someone actually took a good hard look at track design. If an aero expert such as Newey were to design a track he could work around the Aero inefficiencies that occur when these vehicles come into close proximity. Proper track design would allow these cars to be ABLE to pass one another on cicuit. I agree to the veteran enthusiast the chess game is great to watch but skill, daring and luck take a backseat to consistency and predictability more and more each year. These antics like Schumachers Monaco incident last year and Today's would not HAVE to occur if grid position was not so indicative of finishing position. Change the tracks (at least the bulk of them) and move the real important racing back to Sunday and Not Saturday qualifying. Sunday's now are about attrition, and pit strategy. Passing, Tire wear and brake wear play almost no part in the race anymore. Fix this and you've got one heck of a sport again. PS I like the new qualifying format because it really works for TV and it is so exciting...I just wish it didn't matter so much in the end. Sorry for the mini-blog David What strikes me as odd is that this happened in the prior pitstop as well. Something was most certainly out of sequence, but I do not feel it was Alonso.

If there is a rift within the team, Which lets face it, OF COURSE THERE IS and that was displayed today by those who develop the strategy and not those who execute it (i.e. the drivers). The rift is that of competition. They have two drivers on the same team competing for the world championship in similar equipment within 2 points of each other.

What seems to excite the press and thereby exacerbate the issue is that this happened between “teammates”. I have news for you…this is MOTORSPORT. It is a team sport and that team consists of the driver and his crew. Not two drivers who are buddies.

When Rubens pulled over to hand a race over to Michael that was far worse than this incident. The fact that Alonso and Hamilton wear the same livery is nothing more than giving the advertisers more value for their Billions of dollars. It is a convenience that gives the ad folks more airtime and a greater probability that their brand will remain on track for the duration of the race. In the end, while they may wear the same uniforms, right now the championship is being raced between Alonso’s crew and that of Hamiltons, Two very separate teams right now.

I do not blame Hamilton for not pulling over nor to I blame Alonso for waiting if he was instructed to do so OR it was in his best interest to do so based on the position of the remaining vehicles on track etc.

THIS IS RACING! In the good old days with Hill, Lauda Berger, Senna, Prost etc. the antics were far worse even life threatening to some degree. This sport is getting to “Rulesey” and Soft! The more rules this sport gets the more cheating is going to occur. Personally I find this to be one fo the greatest seasons in a long time. Now that Michael is gone the sport is up for grabs again and man is there some talent out there.

The main pattern I see forming here is this: THE TRACKS NEED UPDATING! With the billions poured into this sport it’s time someone actually took a good hard look at track design. If an aero expert such as Newey were to design a track he could work around the Aero inefficiencies that occur when these vehicles come into close proximity. Proper track design would allow these cars to be ABLE to pass one another on cicuit. I agree to the veteran enthusiast the chess game is great to watch but skill, daring and luck take a backseat to consistency and predictability more and more each year. These antics like Schumachers Monaco incident last year and Today’s would not HAVE to occur if grid position was not so indicative of finishing position. Change the tracks (at least the bulk of them) and move the real important racing back to Sunday and Not Saturday qualifying. Sunday’s now are about attrition, and pit strategy. Passing, Tire wear and brake wear play almost no part in the race anymore. Fix this and you’ve got one heck of a sport again.

PS I like the new qualifying format because it really works for TV and it is so exciting…I just wish it didn’t matter so much in the end. Sorry for the mini-blog

David

]]> By: Ben Goldberg http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-62885 Ben Goldberg Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:12:35 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62885 I don't belive Ron for a second. They did make up a story that at least makes partial sense, but that's all it is, a story. If what happened today was really the plan, then why was Ron so mad afterwards? I don’t belive Ron for a second. They did make up a story that at least makes partial sense, but that’s all it is, a story. If what happened today was really the plan, then why was Ron so mad afterwards?

]]> By: monstermom http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-62871 monstermom Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:41:21 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62871 I LOOOVVEEE F1. The race should be as interesting as the qualifying... if not better. I LOOOVVEEE F1. The race should be as interesting as the qualifying… if not better.

]]> By: Keith Collantine http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-62868 Keith Collantine Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:29:44 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62868 <a href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/alonso-punished-for-hamilton-incident/" rel="nofollow">Alonso & McLaren punished</a> Alonso & McLaren punished

]]> By: McLaren Man http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-62865 McLaren Man Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:25:00 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/04/dennis-says-alonso-not-to-blame/#comment-62865 It is puzzling isn't it? One would think that Alonzo would know he wouldn't be able to get away with something like this. Is it really worth besmirching your hard earned career reputation to take poll position instead of 2nd in one race. At the same time, the lollipop went up and he sat there for a full 14 seconds by my count. Clearly, the team were expecting him to go. If Alonzo is guilty I suspect he'll be with another team next year. I think McLaren and Alonzo may be ready to part ways... It is puzzling isn’t it? One would think that Alonzo would know he wouldn’t be able to get away with something like this. Is it really worth besmirching your hard earned career reputation to take poll position instead of 2nd in one race. At the same time, the lollipop went up and he sat there for a full 14 seconds by my count. Clearly, the team were expecting him to go. If Alonzo is guilty I suspect he’ll be with another team next year. I think McLaren and Alonzo may be ready to part ways…

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