Comments on: Any sympathy for McLaren? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:32:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rach http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-3/#comment-63450 Rach Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:13:54 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63450 @ Sean Many British fans are so pro-Hamilton because we have relatively few home-grown heroes in sports we've helped estblish: Tennis Cricket Rugby Football Motorsport It's a sorry state of affairs, but look at Button - he's been the media darling for years without really ever making much of a mark in terms of championships, points, podiums etc. It's hardly surprising that some of us have gone a bit gaagaa over Hamilton. Even if you're not a fan, you've got to admit that he's given a startly debut display of talent. Indulge us a little. He even got a mention as a 'celebrity spot' in Heat magazine a couple of weeks ago - certainly the dizzy heights of fame. @ Sean
Many British fans are so pro-Hamilton because we have relatively few home-grown heroes in sports we’ve helped estblish:
Tennis
Cricket
Rugby
Football
Motorsport
It’s a sorry state of affairs, but look at Button – he’s been the media darling for years without really ever making much of a mark in terms of championships, points, podiums etc. It’s hardly surprising that some of us have gone a bit gaagaa over Hamilton. Even if you’re not a fan, you’ve got to admit that he’s given a startly debut display of talent.

Indulge us a little. He even got a mention as a ‘celebrity spot’ in Heat magazine a couple of weeks ago – certainly the dizzy heights of fame.

]]> By: Clive http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-3/#comment-63220 Clive Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:15:00 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63220 Indeed so, Journeyer, indeed so. Funnily enough, I feel a blog post coming on... ;) Indeed so, Journeyer, indeed so. Funnily enough, I feel a blog post coming on… ;)

]]> By: Journeyer http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-3/#comment-63219 Journeyer Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:38:21 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63219 It is completely wrong? Justice must be served fairly... As our local mayor says, "The law is for all; otherwise, none at all." But who would intervene and scold the FIA on this? At the very least, the European Parliament (as the FIA is in Paris). But they already ruled that they respect the FIA's jurisprudence on motorsport matters. What a tangled web we live in. It is completely wrong? Justice must be served fairly… As our local mayor says, “The law is for all; otherwise, none at all.”

But who would intervene and scold the FIA on this? At the very least, the European Parliament (as the FIA is in Paris). But they already ruled that they respect the FIA’s jurisprudence on motorsport matters.

What a tangled web we live in.

]]> By: Clive http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-3/#comment-63195 Clive Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:54:45 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63195 Agreed, Journeyer, the FIA intervened because the parties concerned are big players. Does that not strike anyone as completely the wrong reason for any legislative body to become involved? Are we now saying that there are rules for the big guys but the minnows don't need to concern themselves with that? Surely even-handedness has to be the first requirement of any body empowered to hand out punishments. Justice is supposed to be blind, remember. Agreed, Journeyer, the FIA intervened because the parties concerned are big players. Does that not strike anyone as completely the wrong reason for any legislative body to become involved? Are we now saying that there are rules for the big guys but the minnows don’t need to concern themselves with that? Surely even-handedness has to be the first requirement of any body empowered to hand out punishments. Justice is supposed to be blind, remember.

]]> By: Sean http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-3/#comment-63188 Sean Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:53:01 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63188 Journeyer: Yep, I'm currently less than 1km from the fallen bridge. I think its quite fortunate that more people weren't hurt. I'm personally affected in that my commute to work now takes a bit longer. That's absolutely nothing. This seems like a good board/blog/forum. Cheers, Sean Journeyer: Yep, I’m currently less than 1km from the fallen bridge. I think its quite fortunate that more people weren’t hurt. I’m personally affected in that my commute to work now takes a bit longer. That’s absolutely nothing.

This seems like a good board/blog/forum.

Cheers,
Sean

]]> By: Number 38 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-2/#comment-63181 Number 38 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:26:41 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63181 Wow! I did it again.....suffered through 28 postings, most reasonable even if at opposite sides of the issue. Thanks for keeping it clean guys, but my vote goes to Clive in post #12: The FIA go on and on about “bringing the sport into disrepute”, yet history tells us that the worst offender in that regard is the FIA itself. Ask anyone what they think about F1 and a part of their answer will be mockery of the constant idiotic disputes and lawsuits that have become endemic in the sport, all of which are the result of a governing body that has made the rules so complex and open to interpretation that logical and fair decisions are almost impossible. THE END. Wow! I did it again…..suffered through 28 postings, most reasonable even if at opposite sides of the issue. Thanks for keeping it clean guys, but my vote goes to Clive in post #12:
The FIA go on and on about “bringing the sport into disrepute”, yet history tells us that the worst offender in that regard is the FIA itself. Ask anyone what they think about F1 and a part of their answer will be mockery of the constant idiotic disputes and lawsuits that have become endemic in the sport, all of which are the result of a governing body that has made the rules so complex and open to interpretation that logical and fair decisions are almost impossible.

THE END.

]]> By: Journeyer http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-2/#comment-63176 Journeyer Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:09:11 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63176 @McLaren Man, it's inevitable there would be rumors of the drivers leaving. The way I see it, Hamilton will stay, but only on the condition that Alonso leaves. If Alonso stays, Hamilton may just decide to leave. I don't know how much longer those two can co-exist without Suzuka 1989-1990 happening all over again. @Milos, Q3 should be changed, but there may still be issues with Alonso-Hamilton favoritism. But it would never be as obvious as what happened last Saturday is Q3 was different. But we must avoid a knee-jerk reaction because of it. @Clive, I believe the FIA interfered because both Alonso and Hamilton are championship contenders. Had it been any other midfield team, they wouldn't have bothered. Which brings up the question: where must the line be drawn? When should the FIA intervene and when shouldn't it? @John Crane, I think this sport stopped being a gentleman's sport a long time ago. To be specific, it stopped towards the end of 1989. Hill and Coulthard? I would refer you to Spa 1998. DC took Schumi out (even if it wasn't on purpose) and Hill demanded team orders from Eddie Jordan to make sure Ralf wouldn't try to pass him, which he didn't have any right to do. @Sean, nice to see you here! You're from Minneapolis, isn't that where the bridge collapse happened? Hope you and your loved ones are ok. @Cristina, nice to see you here too! Canary Islands? Wow, what a lovely place to live! Are you still affected there by Alonso-mania? @McLaren Man, it’s inevitable there would be rumors of the drivers leaving. The way I see it, Hamilton will stay, but only on the condition that Alonso leaves. If Alonso stays, Hamilton may just decide to leave. I don’t know how much longer those two can co-exist without Suzuka 1989-1990 happening all over again.

@Milos, Q3 should be changed, but there may still be issues with Alonso-Hamilton favoritism. But it would never be as obvious as what happened last Saturday is Q3 was different. But we must avoid a knee-jerk reaction because of it.

@Clive, I believe the FIA interfered because both Alonso and Hamilton are championship contenders. Had it been any other midfield team, they wouldn’t have bothered. Which brings up the question: where must the line be drawn? When should the FIA intervene and when shouldn’t it?

@John Crane, I think this sport stopped being a gentleman’s sport a long time ago. To be specific, it stopped towards the end of 1989. Hill and Coulthard? I would refer you to Spa 1998. DC took Schumi out (even if it wasn’t on purpose) and Hill demanded team orders from Eddie Jordan to make sure Ralf wouldn’t try to pass him, which he didn’t have any right to do.

@Sean, nice to see you here! You’re from Minneapolis, isn’t that where the bridge collapse happened? Hope you and your loved ones are ok.

@Cristina, nice to see you here too! Canary Islands? Wow, what a lovely place to live! Are you still affected there by Alonso-mania?

]]> By: Sean http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-2/#comment-63175 Sean Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:05:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63175 Cristina: I blame them because it doesn't help. It adds to the hyperbole and everything gets ratched upwards. As big Ron himself said, this year is "worse" than his struggle to control the loathing shared in the past by Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. "There didn't used to be the internet..." Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that Lewis Hamilton is not deserving of every superlative one can conjure up. And while Alonso is an awesome driver, he is a bit of a prick in the Jacques Villeneuve model. I just wish the competition was left to the track. Really, what is needed is a 3-car McLaren team. Kimi, LH and Alonso. Kimi would leave those two so far behind, they would scratch each other's behinds just to figure out what's going on :) Cheers! Cristina: I blame them because it doesn’t help. It adds to the hyperbole and everything gets ratched upwards. As big Ron himself said, this year is “worse” than his struggle to control the loathing shared in the past by Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. “There didn’t used to be the internet…”

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that Lewis Hamilton is not deserving of every superlative one can conjure up. And while Alonso is an awesome driver, he is a bit of a prick in the Jacques Villeneuve model. I just wish the competition was left to the track.

Really, what is needed is a 3-car McLaren team. Kimi, LH and Alonso. Kimi would leave those two so far behind, they would scratch each other’s behinds just to figure out what’s going on :)

Cheers!

]]> By: McLaren Man http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-2/#comment-63163 McLaren Man Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:31:10 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63163 Cristina: You can't seriously think that Hamilton would leave McLaren? McLaren have been supporting him since he was 12 years old and Ron Dennis is his mentor. Also, McLaren has the best car in the field this year and is likely to repeat next year. Alonzo might leave, but I doubt it. Renault's team talent was well picked over last year and this year's car shows that. They may improve some next year, but Alonzo would be foolish to leave the MP-22/23 behind for a sub-par Renault next year. He simply won't win races and he's in the business of winning races. Unless Alonzo is absolutely miserable I feel pretty certain he stays...Hamilton too... Cristina: You can’t seriously think that Hamilton would leave McLaren? McLaren have been supporting him since he was 12 years old and Ron Dennis is his mentor. Also, McLaren has the best car in the field this year and is likely to repeat next year.

Alonzo might leave, but I doubt it. Renault’s team talent was well picked over last year and this year’s car shows that. They may improve some next year, but Alonzo would be foolish to leave the MP-22/23 behind for a sub-par Renault next year. He simply won’t win races and he’s in the business of winning races. Unless Alonzo is absolutely miserable I feel pretty certain he stays…Hamilton too…

]]> By: JavierR http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/comment-page-2/#comment-63160 JavierR Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:12:19 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/08/06/any-sympathy-for-mclaren/#comment-63160 Well... The fact is that Alonso has almost lost the championship in this race. Hamilton said later "I'm sorry, it's my fault" But the damage is done: Alonso shuold be the leader of the championship today and the problem is that, perhaps, he has lost the championship... Well…
The fact is that Alonso has almost lost the championship in this race.
Hamilton said later “I’m sorry, it’s my fault”
But the damage is done: Alonso shuold be the leader of the championship today and the problem is that, perhaps, he has lost the championship…

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