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	<title>Comments on: McLaren out of &#8216;07 championship and fined $100m</title>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-2/#comment-74385</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the FIA transcript, it seems most likely to me that most of McLaren didn&#039;t use the Ferrari information, but that SOME of it certainly circulated and found its way into testing and setup work. 

Quite ironically, the key culprits appear to be Alonso and De La Rosa - who are getting off scot-free. 

On the other hand, the one who appears to have been most active keeping Ferrari information out of the company, Ron Dennis, gets punished (and in accounting terms as well as in reality, not receiving $ 100m is quite as damaging as being asked to pay them, in fact - see the Turkey example - it might have been better for McLaren if the fine had beeen a payable to FIA that they could have ignored, rather than a withholding about which they can do nothing). 

This doesn&#039;t do much credit to FIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the FIA transcript, it seems most likely to me that most of McLaren didn&#8217;t use the Ferrari information, but that SOME of it certainly circulated and found its way into testing and setup work. </p>
<p>Quite ironically, the key culprits appear to be Alonso and De La Rosa &#8211; who are getting off scot-free. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the one who appears to have been most active keeping Ferrari information out of the company, Ron Dennis, gets punished (and in accounting terms as well as in reality, not receiving $ 100m is quite as damaging as being asked to pay them, in fact &#8211; see the Turkey example &#8211; it might have been better for McLaren if the fine had beeen a payable to FIA that they could have ignored, rather than a withholding about which they can do nothing). </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t do much credit to FIA.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-2/#comment-71335</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;/2007/09/14/fia-verdict-on-mclaren-full-text/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The full FIA verdict on McLaren&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71330</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jpeg, if I were you, I would get your facts straight. That timeline is very inaccurate. In the Canadian GP in 1999, Michael Schumacher crashed out of the race. So did Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve, all in the last corner, giving that wall the nickname &quot;Wall of Champions&quot;. I would check your other dates also, because others are way off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jpeg, if I were you, I would get your facts straight. That timeline is very inaccurate. In the Canadian GP in 1999, Michael Schumacher crashed out of the race. So did Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve, all in the last corner, giving that wall the nickname &#8220;Wall of Champions&#8221;. I would check your other dates also, because others are way off.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooperman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know when the FIA are planning on announcing their findings? I would have thought they&#039;d have done it by now.
Maybe they&#039;re as uncertain about their conclusions as everyone else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know when the FIA are planning on announcing their findings? I would have thought they&#8217;d have done it by now.<br />
Maybe they&#8217;re as uncertain about their conclusions as everyone else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71320</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Wanderingmind. What would really help right now is the FIA publishing the promised transcript and explaining WHY Mclaren have been punished. If it is simply for having the data, then the punishment is too harsh. If it is for using the data to gain a competitive advantage, then the drivers benefited from that competitive advantage either knowingly or unknowingly but either way they should still have their points stripped for consistency. If the team is held accountable for the actions of one person, and the drivers are part of that team, then they have to lose the points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Wanderingmind. What would really help right now is the FIA publishing the promised transcript and explaining WHY Mclaren have been punished. If it is simply for having the data, then the punishment is too harsh. If it is for using the data to gain a competitive advantage, then the drivers benefited from that competitive advantage either knowingly or unknowingly but either way they should still have their points stripped for consistency. If the team is held accountable for the actions of one person, and the drivers are part of that team, then they have to lose the points.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanderingmind</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71260</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanderingmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not assume that the punishment is for McLaren using a dodgy car. The punishment is probably for breaking the letter of the law. And for their designer having access to Ferrari information. Considering that, I suppose this is fair.

If the car actually was dodgy, then yes, punishing the drivers too would make sense.

I don&#039;t think it was, though. Even Ferrari has never claimed that publicly. 

Ross Brawn has said that having access to Ferrari information would make a car faster by up to .5 seconds. Perhaps that is true if it was McLaren data too. In F1, every bit of info you have - technical or otherwise - may make a difference, and we are in position to judge exactly how much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not assume that the punishment is for McLaren using a dodgy car. The punishment is probably for breaking the letter of the law. And for their designer having access to Ferrari information. Considering that, I suppose this is fair.</p>
<p>If the car actually was dodgy, then yes, punishing the drivers too would make sense.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it was, though. Even Ferrari has never claimed that publicly. </p>
<p>Ross Brawn has said that having access to Ferrari information would make a car faster by up to .5 seconds. Perhaps that is true if it was McLaren data too. In F1, every bit of info you have &#8211; technical or otherwise &#8211; may make a difference, and we are in position to judge exactly how much.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71254</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Robert, the FIA are trying to get the best of both worlds by punishing the team (and pleasing Ferrari), but not punishing the drivers (and pleasing the British press).

The other drivers are bound to be unhappy though as they are bound to feel the winner of the championship (which is going to be a McLaren driver, realistically speaking) has done so by cheating, and that&#039;s the way it will look for years to come I would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Robert, the FIA are trying to get the best of both worlds by punishing the team (and pleasing Ferrari), but not punishing the drivers (and pleasing the British press).</p>
<p>The other drivers are bound to be unhappy though as they are bound to feel the winner of the championship (which is going to be a McLaren driver, realistically speaking) has done so by cheating, and that&#8217;s the way it will look for years to come I would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71250</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for drivers keeping points - the only sensible (though controlversial) option.&quot;

No, it&#039;s not, and I&#039;m a Mclaren fan. If the FIA thinks the team gained from the Ferrari data, and the car is thus dodgy, then the position of the drivers in those cars is also dodgy and not representative. If Mclaren were using a 4-litre engine and the drivers shopped the team to the FIA, would they be allowed to keep their points with a car that was clearly outside the regs? No. The FIA has potentially allowed a driver to win a championship in a dodgy car as long as he grassed up his team. And the only reason they did that is that they knew if Hamilton and Alonso were removed from the WDC the backlash would have been so huge the sport would possibly have collapsed. The punishment is a fudge. 

I&#039;d rather have seen Mclaren banned altogether, because it at least would have said the FIA had the conviction to do something it felt it had to even if it ruined the season climax. But they didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for drivers keeping points &#8211; the only sensible (though controlversial) option.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not, and I&#8217;m a Mclaren fan. If the FIA thinks the team gained from the Ferrari data, and the car is thus dodgy, then the position of the drivers in those cars is also dodgy and not representative. If Mclaren were using a 4-litre engine and the drivers shopped the team to the FIA, would they be allowed to keep their points with a car that was clearly outside the regs? No. The FIA has potentially allowed a driver to win a championship in a dodgy car as long as he grassed up his team. And the only reason they did that is that they knew if Hamilton and Alonso were removed from the WDC the backlash would have been so huge the sport would possibly have collapsed. The punishment is a fudge. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have seen Mclaren banned altogether, because it at least would have said the FIA had the conviction to do something it felt it had to even if it ruined the season climax. But they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooperman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71243</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advice to McLaren: Follow the example put forward by the organisers of the Turkish Grand Prix. Pretend that the fine doesn&#039;t exist and eventually it goes away.

That should save you about $100m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advice to McLaren: Follow the example put forward by the organisers of the Turkish Grand Prix. Pretend that the fine doesn&#8217;t exist and eventually it goes away.</p>
<p>That should save you about $100m.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71237</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so you know, not all British people are in constant support of Hamilton - I&#039;d much rather have seen Alonso claim victory but now I just want the two of them to stick it to Ferrari where it hurts, on the racetrack - let&#039;s see what other tricks Ferrari International Aid can pull to stop this happening...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you know, not all British people are in constant support of Hamilton &#8211; I&#8217;d much rather have seen Alonso claim victory but now I just want the two of them to stick it to Ferrari where it hurts, on the racetrack &#8211; let&#8217;s see what other tricks Ferrari International Aid can pull to stop this happening&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Wanderingmind</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71235</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanderingmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a separate thing whether mcLaren benefited or not, and how much. Maybe they did, maybe they don&#039;t.

If someone murders someone else and gets away with it, with the assistance of the courts, does not mean that it should happen the next time too. That does not make it right.

McLaren chief designer - not an umbrella girl, mind - had confidential Ferrari info. Not done, for whatever reason. When you find that out, the team is responsible under existing laws. 

In fact, I believe offended McLaren fans should actually reuest FIA to take points away from the dirvers also. That seems to be the biggest worrry for some.

This is by no means a perfect decision in law. A perfect decision should mean the team and drivers are out, together.

Ah, and then, over coffee or beer, we can talk about natural justice. In that context, yes, did McLaren benefit, if they did by how much, how come drivers are exempted, how come Ferrari got away in the past, everything can be explored. Or how this is bad for Formula One. It is. Who is saying it is not?

But in this specific case, this is the right direction.

F1 is an extremely technical sport - and even knowing Ferrari strategy in parts can make a difference. Maybe. 

This is all sad, not good for the sport, not good for fans... But lets not mix that up with the specific case at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a separate thing whether mcLaren benefited or not, and how much. Maybe they did, maybe they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If someone murders someone else and gets away with it, with the assistance of the courts, does not mean that it should happen the next time too. That does not make it right.</p>
<p>McLaren chief designer &#8211; not an umbrella girl, mind &#8211; had confidential Ferrari info. Not done, for whatever reason. When you find that out, the team is responsible under existing laws. </p>
<p>In fact, I believe offended McLaren fans should actually reuest FIA to take points away from the dirvers also. That seems to be the biggest worrry for some.</p>
<p>This is by no means a perfect decision in law. A perfect decision should mean the team and drivers are out, together.</p>
<p>Ah, and then, over coffee or beer, we can talk about natural justice. In that context, yes, did McLaren benefit, if they did by how much, how come drivers are exempted, how come Ferrari got away in the past, everything can be explored. Or how this is bad for Formula One. It is. Who is saying it is not?</p>
<p>But in this specific case, this is the right direction.</p>
<p>F1 is an extremely technical sport &#8211; and even knowing Ferrari strategy in parts can make a difference. Maybe. </p>
<p>This is all sad, not good for the sport, not good for fans&#8230; But lets not mix that up with the specific case at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71233</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FIA should just let the teams get on with it. They should just be allowed to spy on each other if they want (and Im sure to a certain degree there is constant spying going on) and each team just have to make sure their security is up to scratch and not go whinging to the FIA if it&#039;s no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FIA should just let the teams get on with it. They should just be allowed to spy on each other if they want (and Im sure to a certain degree there is constant spying going on) and each team just have to make sure their security is up to scratch and not go whinging to the FIA if it&#8217;s no.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooperman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71228</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the rumours are true then Renault should be next up at the WMSC; they have apparently got documents on this year&#039;s McLaren with them.

This whole affair is beginning to make a single chassis formula look attractive!! (No, I don&#039;t actually mean that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the rumours are true then Renault should be next up at the WMSC; they have apparently got documents on this year&#8217;s McLaren with them.</p>
<p>This whole affair is beginning to make a single chassis formula look attractive!! (No, I don&#8217;t actually mean that).</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sooooooooooooo can alonso jump ship back to renault now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sooooooooooooo can alonso jump ship back to renault now?</p>
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		<title>By: Cooperman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS â€“ It would interesting to see whether the costs of legal representation for Mclaren and Ferrari, travel for everyone to Paris, and a $100m fine for McLaren come under the FIA&#039;s plan of &#039;cost cutting&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS â€“ It would interesting to see whether the costs of legal representation for Mclaren and Ferrari, travel for everyone to Paris, and a $100m fine for McLaren come under the FIA&#8217;s plan of &#8216;cost cutting&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If McLaren is supposed to have benefited from Ferrari information, how come Ferrari are so behind in the points!  If Ferrari are supposed to be so technologically advanced that their information is worth stealing how come they keep retiring from races and McLaren don&#039;t.

Ferriri International (aka FIA) does it again.  They are the ones bringing the sport into disrespect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If McLaren is supposed to have benefited from Ferrari information, how come Ferrari are so behind in the points!  If Ferrari are supposed to be so technologically advanced that their information is worth stealing how come they keep retiring from races and McLaren don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Ferriri International (aka FIA) does it again.  They are the ones bringing the sport into disrespect.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree with wayne Baillie 
The &#039;Ferrari International Existence&#039; really exists. And it has been existing for years. Some (not all) examples :
- 1997 : Schumacher&#039;s accident with Villeneuve : no race ban for him
- 1998 : McLaren&#039;s traction system, previously validated by the FIA, was banned after the second race : Ferrari won the third
- 1999 : Schumacher had dangerous driving while leaving its pits during the Canadian race and put Frentzen out : he won the race.
- 1999 : Ferrari was disqualified after Malaysian GP because car was illegal, after the appeal : it was legal ! Ferrari won constructors championship.
- 2000 : Schumacher won the Great Britain race without have passed in his pits for penalty. 
- 2000 : Mclaren cars parts was suddenly illegal before after the Belgian race than Hakkinen won overtaking Schumacher while he lapped Zonta. Schumacher and Ferrari won the last 4 races and the title.
- 2003 : Michelin tires was suddenly declared illegal and the french company had to produce new &#039;legal&#039; ones. Kimi lost the title for one point : Schumacher and Ferrari won
- 2006 : Renault &#039;mass dumper&#039;, previously validated by the FIA was suddenly declared illegal and Ferrari was closed to win championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with wayne Baillie<br />
The &#8216;Ferrari International Existence&#8217; really exists. And it has been existing for years. Some (not all) examples :<br />
- 1997 : Schumacher&#8217;s accident with Villeneuve : no race ban for him<br />
- 1998 : McLaren&#8217;s traction system, previously validated by the FIA, was banned after the second race : Ferrari won the third<br />
- 1999 : Schumacher had dangerous driving while leaving its pits during the Canadian race and put Frentzen out : he won the race.<br />
- 1999 : Ferrari was disqualified after Malaysian GP because car was illegal, after the appeal : it was legal ! Ferrari won constructors championship.<br />
- 2000 : Schumacher won the Great Britain race without have passed in his pits for penalty.<br />
- 2000 : Mclaren cars parts was suddenly illegal before after the Belgian race than Hakkinen won overtaking Schumacher while he lapped Zonta. Schumacher and Ferrari won the last 4 races and the title.<br />
- 2003 : Michelin tires was suddenly declared illegal and the french company had to produce new &#8216;legal&#8217; ones. Kimi lost the title for one point : Schumacher and Ferrari won<br />
- 2006 : Renault &#8216;mass dumper&#8217;, previously validated by the FIA was suddenly declared illegal and Ferrari was closed to win championship.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooperman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71218</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McLaren&#039;s punishment may have been harsh (as far as I can see - pending the FIA&#039;s announcement on Friday - no-one&#039;s actually been *proved* that they are guilty) but with the exception of F1 and Motor Sport in general, the FIA have come out of this worse than anyone.

I&#039;d like to see them make another announcement justifying why when Ferrari has a quick word, the FIA reconvene the World Motor Sport Council on what appears at the very least to be weak evidence (according to the reports I&#039;ve read the correlation in the rise of the number of e-mails sent between McLaren&#039;s drivers, and text messages sent between Couglan Stepney) to overthrow a previous ruling.

Theyâ€™ve been accused of favouring Ferrari before â€“ now there must be very little doubt about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McLaren&#8217;s punishment may have been harsh (as far as I can see &#8211; pending the FIA&#8217;s announcement on Friday &#8211; no-one&#8217;s actually been *proved* that they are guilty) but with the exception of F1 and Motor Sport in general, the FIA have come out of this worse than anyone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see them make another announcement justifying why when Ferrari has a quick word, the FIA reconvene the World Motor Sport Council on what appears at the very least to be weak evidence (according to the reports I&#8217;ve read the correlation in the rise of the number of e-mails sent between McLaren&#8217;s drivers, and text messages sent between Couglan Stepney) to overthrow a previous ruling.</p>
<p>Theyâ€™ve been accused of favouring Ferrari before â€“ now there must be very little doubt about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Fenn</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71217</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain Fenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stepney whisle-blows to McLaren that the 2007 Ferrari is, in his opinion, illegal in three respects.  McLaren check with the FIA (Charlie Whiting) who confirm that whilst they (Ferrari) pass their tests, they are actually in breach of the regulations (and the FIA change their test procedures).  So how come Ferrari aren&#039;t fined &amp; stripped of points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stepney whisle-blows to McLaren that the 2007 Ferrari is, in his opinion, illegal in three respects.  McLaren check with the FIA (Charlie Whiting) who confirm that whilst they (Ferrari) pass their tests, they are actually in breach of the regulations (and the FIA change their test procedures).  So how come Ferrari aren&#8217;t fined &amp; stripped of points?</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry, Moscow</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/13/mclaren-ferrari-espionage-hearing-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71214</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry, Moscow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you mr. Couglan and mr. Stepney! Such as you are needed in rows KGB and CIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you mr. Couglan and mr. Stepney! Such as you are needed in rows KGB and CIA.</p>
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