Comments on: The questions that remain over the espionage scandal (2/2) http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Number 38 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/comment-page-1/#comment-71679 Number 38 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:29:04 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/#comment-71679 A further point concerning just how far the Ferrari data got within Mclaren.....I stated above I didn't think any of it had and perhaps the FIA realized the same. Had Ferrari data actually been incorporated in the Mclaren then Alonso and Hamilton would likely have been excluded also, why would they have been allowed to continue in an illegal or inelligible car? Again I say, "much ado about little", Mclaren got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, so what! It was (fortunately) the first cookie, little harm done. $100 mil is not punishment, it is RETRIBUTION. A further point concerning just how far the Ferrari data got within Mclaren…..I stated above I didn’t think any of it had and perhaps the FIA realized the same. Had Ferrari data actually been incorporated in the Mclaren then Alonso and Hamilton would likely have been excluded also,
why would they have been allowed to continue in an illegal or inelligible car?
Again I say, “much ado about little”, Mclaren got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, so what! It was (fortunately) the first cookie, little harm done. $100 mil is not punishment, it is RETRIBUTION.

]]> By: Number 38 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/comment-page-1/#comment-71673 Number 38 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:03:51 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/#comment-71673 I say all this is much ago about nothing, or at least about very little. First of all "espionage" requires actionable use of something against an opponent from WITHIN! Had Ferrari PLANTED bad data in McLaren computers that would be espionage. But for McLaren to merely use STOLEN Ferrari data is merely life in F1 circles! If Williams learned Ferrari were using a strange gas to inflate their tyres Williams would try it in a flash. If Spyker learned a small canard winglet wasn't giving the expected result, that would save then time and money as they WOULDN"T bother testing that device. This goes on everyday. All I see that makes this case any different is the SCALE, the MAGNITUDE, of the information. Instead of a couple pages of notes or some small verbal instruction, this time it was a virtual BOOK, some 780 pages. Oddly, although McLaren drivers were practicing weight distribution and other aspects of the data it's not known that ANY of it was ever actually incorporated into the real car. I think this story unfolded BEFORE McLaren were able to confirm the Ferrari data and take advantage of it. The actually WMSC charges had little to do with espionage or stealing but rather the "disrepute" this action may have brought on the "sport". The FIA could have (and should have) handled this quietly, the media may have exposed it ... but a $100 mil worth of harm? Not in my eyes !!!!!! I say all this is much ago about nothing, or at least about very little. First of all “espionage”
requires actionable use of something against an opponent from WITHIN! Had Ferrari PLANTED bad data in McLaren computers that would be espionage. But for McLaren to merely use STOLEN Ferrari data is merely life in F1 circles! If Williams learned Ferrari were using a strange gas to inflate their tyres Williams would try it in a flash. If Spyker learned a small canard winglet wasn’t giving the expected result, that would save then time and money as they WOULDN”T bother testing that device. This goes on everyday. All I see that makes this case any different is the SCALE, the MAGNITUDE, of the information. Instead of a couple pages of notes or some small verbal instruction, this time it was a virtual BOOK, some 780 pages. Oddly, although McLaren drivers were practicing
weight distribution and other aspects of the data it’s not known that ANY of it was ever actually incorporated into the real car. I think this story unfolded BEFORE McLaren were able to confirm the Ferrari data and take advantage of it.
The actually WMSC charges had little to do with espionage or stealing but rather the “disrepute” this action may have brought on the “sport”.
The FIA could have (and should have) handled this quietly, the media may have exposed it … but a $100 mil worth of harm? Not in my eyes !!!!!!

]]> By: SoLiD http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/comment-page-1/#comment-71569 SoLiD Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:44:07 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/#comment-71569 I forgot about toyota... I was wondering, what if Mclaren weren't racing Ferrari for the WC ... well you got the Toyota example ... says alot of Ferari ... no matter if McLaren did something wrong or not... it's clear Ferrari are bad losers (and yes I know they didn't do much wrong) I forgot about toyota… I was wondering, what if Mclaren weren’t racing Ferrari for the WC … well you got the Toyota example … says alot of Ferari … no matter if McLaren did something wrong or not… it’s clear Ferrari are bad losers (and yes I know they didn’t do much wrong)

]]> By: Wanderingmind http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/comment-page-1/#comment-71559 Wanderingmind Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:51:10 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/15/the-questions-that-remain-over-the-espionage-scandal-22/#comment-71559 Very balanced look at things there, guys. Seriously is there any damage to the sport? I don't know. The real motorsport fans may feel cheated by all this. But on the other hand, the rise of Hamilton, and this controversy have made a lot of people more curious about the sport. I have had people calling up to ask about the details of the scandal - so maybe it is all good in the end. Very balanced look at things there, guys.

Seriously is there any damage to the sport? I don’t know. The real motorsport fans may feel cheated by all this. But on the other hand, the rise of Hamilton, and this controversy have made a lot of people more curious about the sport. I have had people calling up to ask about the details of the scandal – so maybe it is all good in the end.

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