After the tumult, that is this 2007 season, I can no longer take sides or make judgements. And honestly, I’ve been left somewhat numb by the whole affair, that come the last race, I would simply just watch without emotion, cheering for no driver, for all the drivers have driven well, and have shown great skill, that is what I want to consign to memory. I hope that in the end, in its own way, fate would contrive to produce a worthy champion.

Well, I am very ok about all you say, still not happy, but ok.

You do manage a great quantity of information, thank you for share it, I do appreciate it very much.

Right amount of punishment? Shylock said one pound, good for me.

Still, good luck, Hamilton.

To some extent we share a similar opinion, however, and like I’ve said repeatedly, those conditions where horrible, and I will be the last to say Hamiltons drive under the SC was superb, but in his defense, he did call his pit, to warn Webber not to get too close. Perhaps he had a wasp in the car afterall. And I will also draw your attention to the fact that most of the drivers who talked about Hamiltons drive under the safety car, could only make their comments after watching some recording, and not actually from directly viewing the car on the track. The first statement Vettel made was that he saw Hamilton’s car on the ride side of the track and was looking if he had a problem. At no point did he talk about Hamiltons driving, until perhaps, the Redbull team had brought that up at a point. So his accusation of Hamilton was probably in hindsight.

About the crane incident, Its not often you see drivers getting embedded in the gravel trap, maintaing their engines running for a long time, and most of the regulations concerning the retrieval of cars are obscure and not often considered, mainly because on a dry track, the time involved in retrieving a stuck vehicle would be so long compared to the relative lap times of the cars and as such, a retrieved car would probably be a lap or 2 down. I might also want to add, that, until the change of the regulations, reducing the size of the engines, most engines ran very very hot, and if they stay too long in a static position, they soon overheat and stop running. If you now couple that with the supposed ability of the Mclaren Mercedes engine to run only on 4 cylingers and the associated lower operating tempertures, it is no surprise then, that he was able to keep his engine running for such a long time.

Hamilton had the will to continue racing, one of his mantra’s is “I never give up” that may have come to his aid in the situation, and gave the team time to read through the regulations.

Because of the uproar created by that incident, the regulations were then ammended to deny such possibilities, just like how the regulations were also changed to elliminate the possibility of some teams making use of flexible floors.

Bizkai, please try read that link properly it will make things quite clear, or rather it would create a doubt in your mind, if you are right or wrong.

Do not allow your desire to see a driver punished. to then create some level of equality, cloud your level of reasoning. And if you so desire that he be punished, what in your own estimation will be the right amount of punishment for his alleged transgressions.

You present the things as if a fact would be a well done thing. About Japan you blame webber and vettel,and being true I do find it is not all the truth, Webber did find hamilton going left right,accelerating and deccelerating, as if he had an wasp inside his car, Wettel did find the same thing. Many other drivers did talk about this and they ,being there, have a very different opinion than yours about who has the biggest blame of it.

Respect to another subjects that you respond to David, the crane in Germany, you introduce this as a fact already solved correctly, but this is very far to be true. Still there is many doubts about how they did interpret the rules about the use of the crane. And we have seen previously that not all the drivers have enjoyed the same mild interpretation in similar circunstances.

Thats so funny. If Hamilton didnt slow down, then surely he would have run out of room and straight into the back of Alonso. Why should the team then punish the driver for doing what he was asked to do, which was to finish second behind Alonso. Also, you are just assuming that he did not get a reprimand from the team. Perhaps your idea of punishment is for him to be tied and horsewhipped at the pit entry. Maybe that was done in Roman times but unlikely today.

And by your own statement, you are confirming that Alonso was favoured by the team to win that race, irrespective of what fuel strategy each driver may have started the race with. If then Alonso had favours from the top of the team to win the race, how then does he then complain that he is alone in the team and gets no help.

At the Fuji race, Hamilton was way to the right of the track when he slowed, if other drivers could not use their discretion when driving behind the safety car in such conditions, then they have themselves to blame. If he had slowed down in front of Webber, why didnt Webber hit him? Vettel by his own admission, has stated that he was not looking in front of him, but looking at Hamiltons car to his side, perhaps if he wasnt strapped to his car maybe he would have stood up to look behind aswell.

I have supported Alonso all these years, but that doesnt necessarily mean he is always correct. As for the FIA, they dont always get it right. But at the same time, they dont always have to punish just to make some people happy.

You say in Hungary incident Alonso should have waited for the team to punish Lewis,well Lewis was not punished anyway. Before in Monaco, they had team instructions to slow down, Alonso did it, Hamilton did not it, the team did not punish Hamilton. This is a clear precedent about what Alonso could wait from his team to punish Hamilton in Hungary.
Fia was not right applying an unknown rule to punish Alonso, while in Japan they do not apply a sanction to Hamilton for the irregularities behind a safety car. It is not easy to judge but I think there is inconsistency in the way that Fia determines to apply the rules. The conduct of Alonso was not worst than Hamilton’s.

I forgot to add also, the numerous occassions, the previos two seasons Alonso was at Renault, when Fisichella’s car was always the one coming up with problems.
By the way, It may also interest you to note that the first complaint Alonso made about the his team, was that some of the engineers cheered more for Lewis’s qualifying than they dis his.

Anyway, keith has thankfully provided the link to the article on the retrieving of vehicles from the track, i hope u read it very well it may better help you understand the crane incident. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/07/26/debate-was-hamiltons-restart-legal/

I assume you are directing this at me “As you said, lets judge on verifiable facts”

-Barhein: Alonso’s car is damaged during the night.
->The team said a lighting pod fell on his car, perhaps they were working late into the night. There are enough spares to replace any faulty parts and if they wanted to impede him in anyway, it would have been much easier to give his car a misfire.

-Canada: Alonso complains about car behaviour, Lewis car was OK
->Alonso has never really done well in Canada, even when he was at Renault. Lets not forget the Canadian circuit requires lower down force levels than most other track apart from Monza, and also they set up the car with very hard springs to promote fast response of the cars handling, he may not like the feel of the car based on that.

-France: Problems in Q3 for Alonso (gear box was damaged, not Lewis one)
-> Gearbox problems can affect anyone without warning, even though the cars are made to such high levels of precision, the occasional parts failure does occur, you can ask the RBR team about such matters and even BMW. It can happen to anyone, and besides it didnt affect him much, even Lewis has been beset by his own car issues.

-Belgium: A lid from the oil tank was missing in Fernando’s car.
->Perhaps they needed to work on the car in a hurry and forgot to place it back properly, by the way you dont say if it was during practice, qualifying or race and it didnt affect him.

-Japan: Tire pressure incorrect in Fernando’s car (just for Q3)
-> How do u know the tire pressures where incorrect?, Bridgestone keeps all records of tire pressures and temperatures so its easily verifiable

-China: Alonso was the fastest during tests but slower again in Q3 plus Ron’s words
-> Rons words didnt affect Alonso’s qualifying. By the way, you also forgot to mention that Alonso carried 3 or 4 laps greater quantity of fuel in his car, that on its own should amount for some of the time difference. Also Kimi had being faster all weekend, But Lewis set a faster time than Kimi even. And I followed qualifying keenly and I noticed at the begining of Alonso’s qualifying run, after the first timed sector, his status was green, meaning he was faster than before in that sector, then he lost some time in the other sectors, perhaps he made a mistake. Even Massa was fueled lighter than Kimi and should have been on pole but he admitted he made a mistake on that run.

-Bad pit strategy for Alonso in Australia and USA
->Alonso got the better pit strategy in Australia thats how he was able to jump Lewis after his second pits stop. You forgot to mention also, that Alonso got the better pit strategy in Barcelona and Monaco and several other tracks.

FIA
-Germany: Lewis car on track by the tow track
->The regulations previously allowed for the cars to be retrievable, and if repairable, the ability to continue with the race. All other cars had stoped or too damaged, his car was still running. Blame the regulations and not the driver.

-Hungary incident (changing rules??!?!?!?!)
-> Lewis was somehow responsible, but Alonso should have waited for the team to punish Lewis, because Lewis’ actions were solely a team affair. Alonso blocking him in the pits, put it in the category of impeding another competitor during qualifying. The FIA mishandled it in my opinion, but they were left with very little options.

-Italy: Illegal start from Lewis, no punishment at all.
-> I must have missed somethng, please clarify

FIA
-Germany: Lewis car on track by the tow track
-Hungary incident (changing rules??!?!?!?!)
-Italy: Illegal start from Lewis, no punishment at all.

Obviously these are facts that refer to Alonso, other drivers could complain for other reasons but I never heard something like that at any other sport.