Doubt remains over Raikkonen’s title as McLaren appeal

Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, Interlagos, 2007 | Ferrari mediaKimi Raikkonen is champion for now but the F1 world is waiting to hear the outcome of an appeal by the McLaren-Mercedes team.

McLaren have appealed against the stewards’ decision not to exclude the BMW and Williams drivers from yesterday’s Brazilian Grand Prix.

The stewards found that there was not enough evidence to prove that the cars in question used fuel that was cooler than the regulations allow, despite it being recorded on several occasions that the minimum limit was exceeded during pit stops.

The odds are stacked against McLaren however.

The International Court of Appeal may choose to reject their submission. Even if it goes to the appeal court, choosing to change the order of the race and by doing so change the identity of the world champion would be an extraordinarily controversial decision.

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87 comments on Doubt remains over Raikkonen’s title as McLaren appeal

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  1. Eric M. said on 22nd October 2007, 7:49

    Damn! I wanted so badly to stick a fork in this season already, but I guess we’ll have to wait.

  2. Journeyer said on 22nd October 2007, 7:57

    Well, I still do believe that BMW and Williams still have to be punished for their infringement.

    So I will repeat it again: they should do what they did back in 1995. Punish the teams (and dock their points), but not the drivers (who keep theirs). 1995 was also a fuel violation, remember.

    And seeing that McLaren has already had such a punishment this year, it wouldn’t be such a stretch for the FIA to decide this way.

  3. another lewis fan said on 22nd October 2007, 8:21

    BMW should be punished for that for those of you said everything goes hamiltons way it did’nt this time cheating b…..ds!i hope mclaren appeal but it would a shame for lewis to win ch’ship in this way,can’t wait for next year already.

  4. Rohan said on 22nd October 2007, 9:22

    Apparently McLaren’s motivation for appealing is that they want to know how someon can break the rules and not be punished.

    Firstly, this is incredibly hypocritical of McLaren seeing as they broke the rules this year and, in the eyes of many, have not been suitably punished.

    Secondly, there is no proof that Williams or BMW actually did break the rules – the stewards have said that they do not know exactly what the ambient temperature was, thus they do not know what 10 degrees less than ambient temp was, and thus they do not have a reference value to check legality. Hence it is impossible to tell whether BMW or Williams’ fuel temps were 10 degrees less than ambient.

  5. nellyweb said on 22nd October 2007, 9:25

    Yup, I’m a big fan of Lewis, but this is no way to win a title, I’m sure that Kimi will still be the Champ after this appeal.

  6. Derek Hopkinson said on 22nd October 2007, 9:30

    Well we have to ask the question,Is the problem skin type!!!!

    D Hopkinson (white)

  7. another lewis fan said on 22nd October 2007, 9:46

    No proof was found that mclaren cheated either!It’s double standards punish mclaren but when somebody else breaks the rules lets them get away with it cheating is cheaing

  8. nellyweb said on 22nd October 2007, 9:57

    Derek – what on earth are you talking about?

  9. ANOTHER LEWIS FAN said on 22nd October 2007, 9:58

    so explain this when ferrari won in australia in an ILLEGAL car why were’nt they punished 1 set of rules for ferrari and another set for everyone else!

  10. Michael K said on 22nd October 2007, 10:18

    Everyone take a deep breath, look at the facts this season and in the end McLaren have to thank the stars that they weren’t disqualified altogether. Yes, maybe Ferrari had an illegal car, but then again the only way for McLaren to know that was because they had the information they got, and used, from Ferrari which is why they launched the appeal at the time.
    Now is McLaren really appeal the fuel decision now that’s just really bad sportsmanship, how about they just let it rest, as everyone’s pointed out, the chances for them to actually achieve anything, let alone win the drivers title, are ridiculously slim. If they do it, then it’s just to **** everyone off. Let it rest, Ron, you’ve already lost a lot of your reputation this season…

  11. ANOTHER LEWIS FAN said on 22nd October 2007, 10:25

    Alonso is a back-stabbing traitor ron will be glad to see the back of him!

  12. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 22nd October 2007, 10:28

    Can everyone please remember this is a forum for discussing F1, not for throwing insults at people. I have deleted several comments that violate the Comment Policy for breaking this rule.

  13. Dimitrije said on 22nd October 2007, 10:33

    Alonso, and Pedro de la Rosa had to give that info tio FIA, or if proven they will loose theres SUPER licences

  14. Michael K said on 22nd October 2007, 10:36

    Oh, ANOTHER LWEIS FAN, don’t get your hopes up too much, it seems that everyone is sure that Alonso will leave. Alonso is a very good driver and McLaren can’t get anyone close to the same level to replace him. If McLaren can sort it out with Alonso they will, I’m sure of that as Alonso will just harm them more if he’s somewhere else. And to put all the pressure on Hamilton wouldn’t be very smart at all, he’s shown in the last two races that he can’t deal with it at this moment, maybe he will in the future, but he definitely cracked under pressure twice.

  15. Journeyer said on 22nd October 2007, 10:59

    Michael K, I just don’t see it happening. Alonso hasn’t been trying to get closer to McLaren, he’s been walking further away from them. And it has been Alonso, not McLaren, who’s been heard more to be in contact with other teams. And if there’s one thing McLaren learned yesterday, it’s that F1 is a TEAM sport.

  16. Captain Caveman said on 22nd October 2007, 11:15

    I am having to chuckle with some of the comments above and in some other threads i have read. Many are referencing Albert Park, Australia and how ferrari should have been docked points.

    And dare i say it typically from lewis fans….. i get the impression that as most of the lewis fans ( new to the sport) are unafmiliar with the result back in march.

    If Kimi had been demoted etc, Alonso would be champion now..

    1 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:25:28.770
    2 F. Alonso McLaren + 7.242
    3 L. Hamilton McLaren + 18.595

    I suppose i would suggest that we should be careful of what we ask for. or at least be aware of the implications.

    I am an Alonso fan, but vey happy that kimi won the championship. ( well deserved racing driver).

    In hindsight with the points being so tight in the end it looks like Hungary had more to play in the final championship result than we might have anticipated then.I

    am still of the opinion that Alonso was hard done by in his penalty, especially on a track that is difficult to overtake on. (irrespective of whom was at fault at mclaren, or to be specfic whom was at fault first ………..:-)

  17. Michael K said on 22nd October 2007, 11:16

    You have to look at it from Alonso’s perspective as well, there doesn’t seem to be another team to be able to compete with Ferrari other than McLaren. Of course he will contact everyone, this will just help to raise his value should McLaren try to keep him, which I think they will. He will try to get a better status than Hamilton, as he did all year, but McLaren can’t really give him that. They will try and sort it out with a multitude of incentives, I’m sure, maybe some sort of arrangement which really gives him the control of his own tactics. Of course the Hamilton camp won’t be happy with any of it. Whatever the outcome of this sorry saga, McLaren will loose, they already did this year, as you pointed out Journeyer.
    If Alonso wants a big payday in the obscurity of mid-table action, he could go to Toyota, but I don’t think he would do that. If he goes back to Renault it must be because of Flavio, who undoubtedly will use all his player-pimp-charm to get him back, but I don’t think this would help him at all…

  18. M Smith said on 22nd October 2007, 12:29

    The Court of Appeal may even reject McLaren appeal, and that would be the end of it. But I don’t think they will.

    The probable outcome (and what I’m hoping to happen) is that constructors points wil be deducted from Williams and BMW that they would have earned in Brazil, but the drivers keep their points.

    To change the order of the race and make Lewis champion would be F1 into disrepute yet again this season. If Lewis was to win the championship, he should have done it on the track, not in the courtroom.

    As tacky as this sounds, I predicted that the WDC would be decided in the courts this year (but because of Stephney-gate, not this) let’s hope I’m wrong.

  19. To,
    another lewis fan!

    This is to explain to all who want to understand why Ferrari was not docked points or penalized in any other form. The rules were ambiguous, which were later clarified by FIA and amended upon production of facts by McLaren(of course they used the Ferrari dossier, which perhaps explains, their enhanced pace from Malaysia onwards. McLaren WAS SLOWER IN MELBOURNE, PERIOD). Just like Renault which lost future use of the Mass Damper, Ferrari had to modify their car, which perhaps explains their form(rather the lack of it, right after Melbourne). Now that we understand the situation better, we perhaps could look forward to the future(2008) and hope LH is as good as he is advertised to be.

    From a disgusted F1 fan, who knows a fair bit!

  20. Im really surprised anyone thinks Alonso might stay at Mclaren. Ron would have to be mad or extremely naive to think he can successfully manage these two drivers after what happenned this year, esp Alonso blackmailing him. As for the championship result, I can only imagine that someone up there ensured justice was served, since the people down here couldnt do so.

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