Doubt remains over Raikkonen’s title as McLaren appeal

Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, Interlagos, 2007 | Ferrari mediaKimi Raikkonen is champion for now but the F1 world is waiting to hear the outcome of an appeal by the McLaren-Mercedes team.

McLaren have appealed against the stewards’ decision not to exclude the BMW and Williams drivers from yesterday’s Brazilian Grand Prix.

The stewards found that there was not enough evidence to prove that the cars in question used fuel that was cooler than the regulations allow, despite it being recorded on several occasions that the minimum limit was exceeded during pit stops.

The odds are stacked against McLaren however.

The International Court of Appeal may choose to reject their submission. Even if it goes to the appeal court, choosing to change the order of the race and by doing so change the identity of the world champion would be an extraordinarily controversial decision.

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87 comments on Doubt remains over Raikkonen’s title as McLaren appeal

  1. Captain Caveman said on 22nd October 2007, 11:15

    I am having to chuckle with some of the comments above and in some other threads i have read. Many are referencing Albert Park, Australia and how ferrari should have been docked points.

    And dare i say it typically from lewis fans….. i get the impression that as most of the lewis fans ( new to the sport) are unafmiliar with the result back in march.

    If Kimi had been demoted etc, Alonso would be champion now..

    1 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:25:28.770
    2 F. Alonso McLaren + 7.242
    3 L. Hamilton McLaren + 18.595

    I suppose i would suggest that we should be careful of what we ask for. or at least be aware of the implications.

    I am an Alonso fan, but vey happy that kimi won the championship. ( well deserved racing driver).

    In hindsight with the points being so tight in the end it looks like Hungary had more to play in the final championship result than we might have anticipated then.I

    am still of the opinion that Alonso was hard done by in his penalty, especially on a track that is difficult to overtake on. (irrespective of whom was at fault at mclaren, or to be specfic whom was at fault first ………..:-)

  2. Michael K said on 22nd October 2007, 11:16

    You have to look at it from Alonso’s perspective as well, there doesn’t seem to be another team to be able to compete with Ferrari other than McLaren. Of course he will contact everyone, this will just help to raise his value should McLaren try to keep him, which I think they will. He will try to get a better status than Hamilton, as he did all year, but McLaren can’t really give him that. They will try and sort it out with a multitude of incentives, I’m sure, maybe some sort of arrangement which really gives him the control of his own tactics. Of course the Hamilton camp won’t be happy with any of it. Whatever the outcome of this sorry saga, McLaren will loose, they already did this year, as you pointed out Journeyer.
    If Alonso wants a big payday in the obscurity of mid-table action, he could go to Toyota, but I don’t think he would do that. If he goes back to Renault it must be because of Flavio, who undoubtedly will use all his player-pimp-charm to get him back, but I don’t think this would help him at all…

  3. M Smith said on 22nd October 2007, 12:29

    The Court of Appeal may even reject McLaren appeal, and that would be the end of it. But I don’t think they will.

    The probable outcome (and what I’m hoping to happen) is that constructors points wil be deducted from Williams and BMW that they would have earned in Brazil, but the drivers keep their points.

    To change the order of the race and make Lewis champion would be F1 into disrepute yet again this season. If Lewis was to win the championship, he should have done it on the track, not in the courtroom.

    As tacky as this sounds, I predicted that the WDC would be decided in the courts this year (but because of Stephney-gate, not this) let’s hope I’m wrong.

  4. To,
    another lewis fan!

    This is to explain to all who want to understand why Ferrari was not docked points or penalized in any other form. The rules were ambiguous, which were later clarified by FIA and amended upon production of facts by McLaren(of course they used the Ferrari dossier, which perhaps explains, their enhanced pace from Malaysia onwards. McLaren WAS SLOWER IN MELBOURNE, PERIOD). Just like Renault which lost future use of the Mass Damper, Ferrari had to modify their car, which perhaps explains their form(rather the lack of it, right after Melbourne). Now that we understand the situation better, we perhaps could look forward to the future(2008) and hope LH is as good as he is advertised to be.

    From a disgusted F1 fan, who knows a fair bit!

  5. Im really surprised anyone thinks Alonso might stay at Mclaren. Ron would have to be mad or extremely naive to think he can successfully manage these two drivers after what happenned this year, esp Alonso blackmailing him. As for the championship result, I can only imagine that someone up there ensured justice was served, since the people down here couldnt do so.

  6. Well, McLaren have just lost the last shred of respect I had for them. This is sickening.

    Even if they were disqualified, though, would Lewis be given the extra points? No-one was given McLaren’s points…

  7. oliver said on 22nd October 2007, 13:17

    In Mclaren’s defense, they did not appeal any of the penalties handed to them this year, neither in hungary, nor the MASSIVE FINE. I do not think they want thier driver to win a championship in this way. My only surprise is that, the FIA has only created another mess for itself. And its unlikely they will reverse the drivers championship, especially now
    ferrari has won it.

  8. Regardless of the eventual outcome, no one can say it hasn’t been an interesting season. There have been more twists and turns in the sport to rival a best selling novel.

    I think Raikkonen deserves to win. I think both Alonso and Lewis will be stronger moving forward having both missed the championship this year.

    Perhaps the teams need to take stock of where they are and come back fighting even stronger next year.

    I think Vinny Jone’s line from gone in 60 seconds is apt, “it’s been emotional,” Roll on 2008.

  9. oliver said on 22nd October 2007, 13:22


    There is a difference between a disqualification and an exclusion.

  10. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 22nd October 2007, 13:23

    Just to clarify, there have been several occasions in the past where drivers and teams have been disqualified from races and the drivers behind them moved up the order and taking their points. For example, when BAR were disqualified at Imola in 2005, and when the Williams and Toyotas were disqualified at Montreal in 2004.

  11. keith your comment 12 explains a lot – sorry about my comments and lets hope that kimi retains title as we have had enough bickering about rules and regs – coming second in youre first year is no mean achievment for hamilton – so lets look forward to next year

  12. Why can’t McLaren just give it up, this season has already been sabotaged by Spygate and yet another appeal is the last thing F1 needs right now.

  13. Alan – that’s a very mature attitude to have – if only McLaren thought the same way you do!

  14. to vertigo – thanks for that – but hope all enjoy a good break and well next years not that far away – soon be practise and testing sessions to come!!

  15. another lewis fan said on 22nd October 2007, 13:48

    sorry to change subject but was wondering is anybody else having difficulty accessing itvf1 site cant get to come up at all,used to be able to dont know whats wrong with it advice would be appreciated

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