Comments on: Renault in fresh FIA spying enquiry

By: alan

alan — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:35:53 +0000

drat this keyboard – inspection of the 2008 mclaren got knocked off previous comment – sorry – probably still doesn’t make sense

By: alan

alan — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:33:44 +0000

Oliver I quite agree with you that it is because mclaren were used as examples – hopefully this is – fia apointed inspectors – to see if there is any(sic) – ferrari intellectual material being used in it’s design – phew!!
I just think it has always happened in F1 – but because max’s pals complained because they were losing to rival team with an upstart newcomer that mclaren were cheating – obviously how could a new driver win so many podium places!! – talent has nothing to do with it – never ,ever – and every new revalation from whatever corner just shows how biased the fia is and who they side with – used to like ferrari – not now – yes I am just a little biased now myself – guess why?

By: oliver

oliver — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:14:35 +0000

Renault claim they immediately notified Mclaren and the FIA when they found out about the Mclaren documents in their possession. But was it in 2006 or 2007 they notified these parties of this knowlege? Or do they mean they immediately notified them one year later?

Mclaren mass damper system, is built into the rear suspension articulation, unlike the Renault banned system that was sitting right in the nose cone.

The irony here is that, Renault had these information on their computer system unlike in the case of Mclaren. The case used against Mclaren was that, these kinds of information would get into the thinking process of their engineers and designers, exactly the same calibre of individuals that had access to the information at Renault.

Mclaren had long known about Renaults possession of these information, and were willing to let it be. But the FIA having villified them for a similar infraction, they were forced to let this info out. The FIA will not dare hand out such a harsh penalty on Renault, cause they will quit F1 immediately.

By: Peter Punk

Peter Punk — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:29:48 +0000

To Roooster:

I’m not a sore Mclaren fan, nor I want revenge for what has happened. I just want the right punishment for Renault. I don’t think Mclaren it’s bringing this up now to affect Alonso somehow, for the matter first came to light in september. It is believe that a least 15 engineers at Renault saw the documents, the files were stored in Renault computers. If Renault gets without punishment, some serious doubts will be cast upon FIA’s judgement.

By: Keith Collantine

Keith Collantine — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:48:16 +0000

Renault denies using McLaren data

By: SoLiD

SoLiD — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:44:46 +0000

Looks to me they are in the same position.

The FIA shouldn’t have taken McLaren’s points and such.
Cause now, they say, hey a few ppl in a big company can put everything on its behind.
And that is what happened at McLaren, some ppl knew about it, and maybe (yes maybe) some information was used… but it was never proven.
So Renault now has the same issue… the data has been seen… at probably not used.. probably…
I’m afraid it’s no good.

By: Loki

Loki — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:15 +0000

“lets hope renualt get fined $1m and deducted points!

i say down with alonso! i dont care what anyone else thinks! ”

In that case I hope the FIA just fine McLaren again and allocate them -100 points for the next decade for no reason whatsoever other than being McLaren!

This has brought about talks about Alonso’s signing with the team, and how will it affect it, but what about Kovalainen’s potential deal to go to McLaren – which is perhaps more relevant to the 2 teams involved? Would this sour things up?

By: milos

milos — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:39:48 +0000

bummer, already forgot the emails, short term memory laps
hm, then that may be the escape route FIA may take if they wish not to punish Renault too much

By: mike

mike — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:23:12 +0000

lets hope renualt get fined $1m and deducted points!

i say down with alonso! i dont care what anyone else thinks!

By: roooster

roooster — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:12 +0000

Mclaren were not punished for the possesion. Remember the first verdict? They scotted free. Ferrari appealead and the evidence which is the e-mail exchanges showed they at least intended to use of course they cant prove that it was use. Juz like i ate somebody’s food but after that i can always claim i never ate it coz they cant prove it. In F1 transfer of information is inevitable especially when employees change from 1 team to another only that Mclaren got caught with their pants down, so now they are trying to stir the pot. F1 has turned into a circus really.