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	<title>Comments on: Good ideas on how to improve racing in F1</title>
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		<title>By: theRoswellite</title>
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		<dc:creator>theRoswellite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming to this debate late,so I&#039;ll be brief:  F1 cars have been allowed to become as much &quot;air craft&quot; as cars.  If you, at first, reduce the down force, then nearly eliminate it, you will.......return the cars to &quot;auto&quot; racing.  As a side effect, speeds will be reduced (where they need to be reduced..in the corners), following closely &amp; passing, will be increased. And, improvements to the F1 cars can be correlated more closely to the needs of &quot;normal automobiles&quot;.    This is basically what Gary Anderson is saying.  It has been a problem which the FIA has not been able to handle, and it has been growing for decades.  Only when the down force made gargantuan leaps, the &quot;fan car&quot;, and sliding side screens &amp; inverted wing bottoms, did the governing body step forward.  We have needed, and still do, courageous and effective FIA leadership  to bring about change in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this debate late,so I&#8217;ll be brief:  F1 cars have been allowed to become as much &#8220;air craft&#8221; as cars.  If you, at first, reduce the down force, then nearly eliminate it, you will&#8230;&#8230;.return the cars to &#8220;auto&#8221; racing.  As a side effect, speeds will be reduced (where they need to be reduced..in the corners), following closely &amp; passing, will be increased. And, improvements to the F1 cars can be correlated more closely to the needs of &#8220;normal automobiles&#8221;.    This is basically what Gary Anderson is saying.  It has been a problem which the FIA has not been able to handle, and it has been growing for decades.  Only when the down force made gargantuan leaps, the &#8220;fan car&#8221;, and sliding side screens &amp; inverted wing bottoms, did the governing body step forward.  We have needed, and still do, courageous and effective FIA leadership  to bring about change in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine the &quot;should Mosely resign?&quot; poll will be pretty one-sided...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine the &#8220;should Mosely resign?&#8221; poll will be pretty one-sided&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/11/28/good-ideas-on-how-to-improve-racing-in-f1/comment-page-3/#comment-125282</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get rid of all driver aids and take them back to manual gear boxes , then more onus put on the driver to be good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get rid of all driver aids and take them back to manual gear boxes , then more onus put on the driver to be good</p>
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		<title>By: mike.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok wicked. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok wicked. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new poll going up shortly on a different topic but I&#039;ll make room for one on Mosley soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new poll going up shortly on a different topic but I&#8217;ll make room for one on Mosley soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can we get a poll on the go? should FIA president Max Mosley Resign?

sounds good to me! I no which way i&#039;d vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can we get a poll on the go? should FIA president Max Mosley Resign?</p>
<p>sounds good to me! I no which way i&#8217;d vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Number 38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning wings got more support than I expected, returning to slicks seems to be a popular move, one respondant used the word SIMPLIFY several times and I could back him on several points but where is MadMax taking F1.......bio-fuels and energy recovery ??????
I say we &quot;ban&quot; Max !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning wings got more support than I expected, returning to slicks seems to be a popular move, one respondant used the word SIMPLIFY several times and I could back him on several points but where is MadMax taking F1&#8230;&#8230;.bio-fuels and energy recovery ??????<br />
I say we &#8220;ban&#8221; Max !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ogami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ogami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aerodynamics ideas are not correct imho.
It starts from the idea that too much aeros are the problem, while, himself call for a &quot;cleaner&quot; way.

Of course if your way of creating aeros it not clean, increasing aerodynamics will worsen the effect on the following car, but the problem is not here, the problem is the way they&#039;re produced namely vortex generators.

Now if you shorten the wings, make wishbones not streamlined or remove wheels covers it will have even more non steady aeros at proximity , while that&#039;s true that at a longer distance the problems will be less important this is not by increasing drag that this occurs but by banning the vortex generators.

Increasing the drag may be efficient for straight line slipstream but what you need in corner is downforce, downforce and still downforce.

Now Jarno Trulli&#039;s remark also shows that the problem is far from being simple, as the tires poses a problem of overall grip, and visibly restrict lines.


So Slicks are tought to be back, but in fact i&#039;m not quite sure they&#039;ll produce the effect you want.

If you increase the grip of the tires, then cars will go faster so they will rely on aerodynamics again.


So in fact the question is : Do we want the same level of speed?

Actually with a tire it is not possible to combine the  level of grip aerodynamic downforce produce and some of the actual F1 cars dynamics (like reactivity), so downforce is still needed.

So to me two options: either we work for  steadier aerodynamics, look out for tires to provide better overall grip or we reduce the speed dramatically and get rid of aeros.

As far as i&#039;m concerned, F1 is meant to be the fastest and on of the hardest series so if overtaking is not easy that&#039;s okay.
In fact i think we should cure the problems that make it likely impossible now and that&#039;s what the OWG is doing, addressing the correct problems for 2009: Less vortex generators+slicks.

Also we have to note that overatking is a complex process, rarely going into the &quot;i follow you, slipstream then overtake&quot; as far as cornering/braking overtaking are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aerodynamics ideas are not correct imho.<br />
It starts from the idea that too much aeros are the problem, while, himself call for a &#8220;cleaner&#8221; way.</p>
<p>Of course if your way of creating aeros it not clean, increasing aerodynamics will worsen the effect on the following car, but the problem is not here, the problem is the way they&#8217;re produced namely vortex generators.</p>
<p>Now if you shorten the wings, make wishbones not streamlined or remove wheels covers it will have even more non steady aeros at proximity , while that&#8217;s true that at a longer distance the problems will be less important this is not by increasing drag that this occurs but by banning the vortex generators.</p>
<p>Increasing the drag may be efficient for straight line slipstream but what you need in corner is downforce, downforce and still downforce.</p>
<p>Now Jarno Trulli&#8217;s remark also shows that the problem is far from being simple, as the tires poses a problem of overall grip, and visibly restrict lines.</p>
<p>So Slicks are tought to be back, but in fact i&#8217;m not quite sure they&#8217;ll produce the effect you want.</p>
<p>If you increase the grip of the tires, then cars will go faster so they will rely on aerodynamics again.</p>
<p>So in fact the question is : Do we want the same level of speed?</p>
<p>Actually with a tire it is not possible to combine the  level of grip aerodynamic downforce produce and some of the actual F1 cars dynamics (like reactivity), so downforce is still needed.</p>
<p>So to me two options: either we work for  steadier aerodynamics, look out for tires to provide better overall grip or we reduce the speed dramatically and get rid of aeros.</p>
<p>As far as i&#8217;m concerned, F1 is meant to be the fastest and on of the hardest series so if overtaking is not easy that&#8217;s okay.<br />
In fact i think we should cure the problems that make it likely impossible now and that&#8217;s what the OWG is doing, addressing the correct problems for 2009: Less vortex generators+slicks.</p>
<p>Also we have to note that overatking is a complex process, rarely going into the &#8220;i follow you, slipstream then overtake&#8221; as far as cornering/braking overtaking are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Sriram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sriram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Trulli is absolutely right and it&#039;s also worth noting that he doesn&#039;t talk about aerodynamics or anything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Trulli is absolutely right and it&#8217;s also worth noting that he doesn&#8217;t talk about aerodynamics or anything!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The survey&#039;s just closed - thanks for trying to fill it in though, there will be more in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey&#8217;s just closed &#8211; thanks for trying to fill it in though, there will be more in the future.</p>
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