Comments on: Mosley on McLaren, F1 engines, customer chassis and more

By: mike

mike — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:53:27 +0000

c’mon people… who wants to see max mosley leave? or get sacked?(that will never happen)

By: Number 38

Number 38 — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:49:34 +0000

When I see the name Mosley in the head line, or Hamilton, it’s easy to pass over the article. Mosley is a cancer in F1 and Hamilton a headache. I need a drink………
a tall cold one, high octane.

By: Clive

Clive — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:16:53 +0000

By your reasoning, Michael, we should just accept whatever Max says, whether it contradicts his previous statements or not. Unfortunately, we have memories and can recall what was said on previous occasions, as reported by all news sources (in fact, I doubt the tabloids had anything to say on this particular matter – I don’t read them myself). If Max was misreported at the time, then was the moment for him to protest – to merely come out with a totally different story now shows that he has either forgotten exactly what happened or is trying to mislead us.

When someone gives one version of events and then later changes it, we are entitled to point out the error and wonder at the reasons for the change.

By: Michael K

Michael K — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:03:16 +0000

You guys are hilarious, people commenting as if they have been in Max Mosley’s head the whole time and knew exactly what he said and when. I don’t know if it makes any sense, but the press actually have their own agenda and don’t necessarily relay all information exactly the way it was presented to them. This happens even when it’s unintentional, but just go ahead and twist the info your way to suit your needs. I’m not defending any of his actions, I do think that he should’ve retired some time ago myself, but it makes sense to not think eveything written in the tabloids is the honest truth…

By: carlos

carlos — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:38:20 +0000

” Also the fact that Fernando Alonso and Pedro de la Rosa’s discussions were in Spanish suggests they weren’t disseminated beyond the pair to other engineers or drivers.”

The Fia report (3.8 to 3.21) says there is mails from and to Coughlan, obviously in english. The discussion could be partially in spanish, but the source of the discussion was in english.(it is not mentioned the spanish language in the report).

By: oliver

oliver — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:26:31 +0000

Clive, I quite agree with your comment, because I remember quotes from Mosley acknowledging Ron’s phone call, giving the impression that he had just heard it from Ron for the first time.

Max is just an attention grabber, and I’m quite surprised he doesn’t join the top 3 drivers at the post race press conference.

By the way, has it been confirmed, that the 2 drivers used the official email system or thier own private emails when discussing those details.

By: alan

alan — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:08:42 +0000

Thanks for that Clive – but isn’t amazing how facts? seem to change with the telling as you said the more max says it the more he beleives it right enough

By: Clive

Clive — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:15:22 +0000

The answer is quite simple, Alan: Alonso showed Bernie the emails (probably on his Blackberry) after Ron had advised Max of their possible existence. That was the story at the time, anyway, and Max is just lying when he says that he was aware of them before Ron spoke to him. At the time, Max agreed with Ron that they probably only existed in Alonso’s imagination and it wasn’t until Bernie stepped in that they took the info seriously. Therefore, Max is either lying now or lied when he spoke to Ron. Since this is the first time that he has asserted that he knew about the emails before Ron brought them to his attention, I take it that he has swapped events in his mind and now believes the new version.

Why should Max lie about the timing of his being informed of the emails? To throw people off the obvious conclusion that Ron would not have mentioned the matter to Max had he known of the drivers’ involvement in the affair. That would make it clear that Ron has been honest all along, to the extent of his knowledge at least, and Max can’t bear that.

By: alan

alan — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:53:28 +0000

well this answers a suggestion I were made earlier on this investigation/trial of mcclaren that the em’s were sent in spanish as they alonso and pedro were spanish – stands to reason – but that this was used to say that mcclaren were guilty of using ferrari info – isnt proof positive it would be thrown out of a scottish court as not proven – supposition is not proof. The other thing that has come to light is the little man bringing it to max’s attention – who told bernie?? maybe someone in ferrari?

By: mike

mike — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:58:36 +0000

im starting to wonder if mclaren will even be on the grid in 2008!