Comments on: When did Ron Dennis say this?

By: Magaly Bagwell

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By: silvester

silvester — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:52:16 +0000

Mr. Dennis is what he is and did what he did. Is is very transparent and clear to all but and if he was not a part of McLaren even brits could tell rigt from wrong. Renault is no ecuse for McLaren.
And yes… poor McLaren too slow to crunch non McLaren “rubbish” and use it? oh no what outlandish accusation.
Just check the reality, they stole it, studied it, used it, deny it (honesty”=”MClaren)and admit it… how confusing. SPY may not be the right word but is the most polite.

By: alan

alan — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:17:28 +0000

Number 38 – have started second bottle – roll on 2008 and have a good new year one and all(except max/bernie)

By: Number 38

Number 38 — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:28:14 +0000

I can tell it’s “off season” ….nothing ‘racey’ to chat about so we dredge up the ‘spy’ story for another round. I’m heading to the ‘fridge’ for a tall cold one.
This tale is so distorted…..SPY isn’t even the right word, to spy would infer McLaren sent a spy to look for Ferrari data when in fact the data came to McLaren not of their doing. I’m not even convinced McLaren used any data, they may have analysised some of it, may have wanted to used some of it but I think the story exploded before they could. In the end they weren’t found guily of spying but of bringing “disrepute to the sport”. The one guilty if that is MadMax, his actions made this a story and also white-washed the Renault version. MadMax should be fined $100 Mil. A second bottle anyone?

By: alan

alan — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:12:01 +0000

Has anybody ever filled a cv? – previous experience? – chief engineer at(fill team name) – or is that too naive??

By: George

George — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:33:29 +0000

Vertigo – you are correct in catching my mis-statement; there has NOT been any transgressions greater than McLaren. As Steven also points out, at least that we know about.

If any of you doubt that these engineers don’t bring reams of information and data with them whenever they change teams than you are more naive even than I. Most are probably smart enough to keep the info in their private files, why any of them would load them into their new teams computers can only mean one thing; they’ve been doing it for years.

By: milos

milos — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:28:39 +0000

The McLaren case may the biggest ever that was discovered, not the biggest ever that happened

Ron Dennis is either a) big liar or b) has absolutelly no idea what is happening in his team. If a) is the case, he is definitelly well suited to continue in F1 . If b) is the case, he should go, seriously …

Happy New Year to everybody !

By: Steven Roy

Steven Roy — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:18:57 +0000

Not according to Adrian Newey it isn’t.

The only difference with this case is that it came into the public domain. The idea that anyone from outside the sport knows the extent of this type of thing is nonsense.

If you think the McLaren thing is so outrageous I suggest you wade through the 77 pages of the transcripts of the Renault case and see how Tim Densham responded to being asked why he hadn’t reported that the team was in possession of McLaren info.

By: Vertigo

Vertigo — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:48:44 +0000

George – the information passed from Ferrari to McLaren was not of the kind that regularly passes from engineer to engineer – it was a huge document, along with phone calls, e-mails and text messages. You can blow the moral trumpet and say that Ferrari would have accepted such information, but the fact is that they didn’t – a McLaren worker did. Face facts, despite your logic that this has happend “in greater or lesser form since the sport began”, this was the biggest breach of regulations in F1 for many years, and even the biggest McLaren fan could see that this was a case of a rogue employee, and that McLaren were always in the wrong.

By: George

George — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:59:11 +0000

Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that if Ferrari (or any other team for that matter) were handed a boatload of information on another contender’s car they would not examine and study the information? In a sport that by necessity means finding out why the other team’s car is faster than ours?

McLaren were guilty of accepting and using information provided by another team’s disaffected employee; they didn’t steal the info, and I certainly hope they didn’t actively solicit the info. To my way of thinking that is not spying or espionage. It’s what every team on the grid have done in greater or lesser form since the sport began. It’s one thing to tighten up the way the sport is regulated, quite another to pillage a team’s reputation and financial future over an incident that should have been handled differently. And impartially applied to Renault as well.

Someone previously alleged Max is a gentlemen. He is a Ferrari apologist masquerading in gentlemens clothing.