Comments on: How an Indycar merger might affect F1 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:31:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: theRoswellite http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145884 theRoswellite Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:43:56 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145884 Sorry, should have added: 11) A successful open wheel series in US will create even more fans demanding a return of the US GP...and it will. Sorry, should have added: 11) A successful open wheel series in US will create even more fans demanding a return of the US GP…and it will.

]]> By: theRoswellite http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145882 theRoswellite Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:36:56 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145882 Open wheel racing in the US now has an opportunity. The complication should only be in implementation, not in the identification of goals. They need to: 1) Re-establish Indy as the top single race in the US. 2) Adopt the NASCAR production/promotion template. 3) Initiate a same weekend feeder series. (again, see NASCAR) 4) Establish US driver base. (see #3) 5) Make sure cars can oval/road race...equally. 6) Totally reinvent "track model" now in use. 7) Rethink the track/team/fan interface. (see #6) 8) Adopt new race day format. (see Superleague Formula) 9) Do everything humanly possible to make each race fan friendly. 10) Create racing for the 21st Century, not the 20th. Open wheel racing in the US now has an opportunity. The complication should only be in implementation, not in the identification of goals.

They need to: 1) Re-establish Indy as the top single race in the US.

2) Adopt the NASCAR production/promotion template.

3) Initiate a same weekend feeder series. (again, see NASCAR)

4) Establish US driver base. (see #3)

5) Make sure cars can oval/road race…equally.

6) Totally reinvent “track model” now in use.

7) Rethink the track/team/fan interface. (see #6)

8) Adopt new race day format. (see Superleague Formula)

9) Do everything humanly possible to make each race fan friendly.

10) Create racing for the 21st Century, not the 20th.

]]> By: Gman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145321 Gman Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:38:00 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145321 Because i'm a newcomer to F1- and racing in general- I don't know anything about the history of CART, Champcar and IRL that you are all discussing. From what i've gathered, the merger sounds like it would be a good deal for all parties involved. As for the potential impact on the USGP returning to Indy, the financial dilemmas mentioned above could be a major stumbling block to F1 going back. If it were anyone else but Bernie running the show, i'd say that a deal could be worked out with a little give and take, but now perhaps the extra cash throw in by sponsors could be the only realisitc way of coming back to the IMS. I still remain very optimistic of a return to Indy, but it won't be a cut-and-dry solution as it is in other places. Because i’m a newcomer to F1- and racing in general- I don’t know anything about the history of CART, Champcar and IRL that you are all discussing. From what i’ve gathered, the merger sounds like it would be a good deal for all parties involved.

As for the potential impact on the USGP returning to Indy, the financial dilemmas mentioned above could be a major stumbling block to F1 going back. If it were anyone else but Bernie running the show, i’d say that a deal could be worked out with a little give and take, but now perhaps the extra cash throw in by sponsors could be the only realisitc way of coming back to the IMS. I still remain very optimistic of a return to Indy, but it won’t be a cut-and-dry solution as it is in other places.

]]> By: SoLiD http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145320 SoLiD Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:09:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145320 It will be great if they come together. In 2009 they would add more road courses, wich I hope is true... I loved the indycar series in the 90's when you had newman-haas/penske/ganassi/Forsythe... and now they will all come back together. It's shaping up to a nice indy500 this year :) It will be great if they come together.
In 2009 they would add more road courses, wich I hope is true…
I loved the indycar series in the 90′s when you had newman-haas/penske/ganassi/Forsythe… and now they will all come back together.
It’s shaping up to a nice indy500 this year :)

]]> By: openwheel http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145318 openwheel Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145318 CART's set up was flawed from the start. Their charter had no "commissioner" with any power over the team this is why CART had sowed the seeds of its own demise in its infancy. Had they had a strong head like the commissioners of all the American major sports I feel that it would have just as big here as NASCAR. CART’s set up was flawed from the start. Their charter had no “commissioner” with any power over the team this is why CART had sowed the seeds of its own demise in its infancy. Had they had a strong head like the commissioners of all the American major sports I feel that it would have just as big here as NASCAR.

]]> By: Obster http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145317 Obster Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:56:02 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145317 Man, there has been soooo much passion and emotion from the fans of both series. Reading the newsgroups and forums for each side for the last decade has been hilarious and very sad. This unification really needs to happen. Some of the CART road and street races were boring-Mid Ohio and Portland come to mind. Some of the IRL oval races were close run but had no individual identity. It was great seeing SeaBass conquer CART, and it was great to see roadracer Dario triumph on the ovals. It would be better if they were tested against one another. There is lots of potential for the future... Man, there has been soooo much passion and emotion from the fans of both series. Reading the newsgroups and forums for each side for the last decade has been hilarious and very sad.
This unification really needs to happen.
Some of the CART road and street races were boring-Mid Ohio and Portland come to mind.
Some of the IRL oval races were close run but had no individual identity.
It was great seeing SeaBass conquer CART, and it was great to see roadracer Dario triumph on the ovals. It would be better if they were tested against one another.
There is lots of potential for the future…

]]> By: John http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145315 John Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:10 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145315 A lot of people think they didn't succeed because they didn't have a single string leader, like the France family or Bernie. "Championship racing", which is essentially the only name you can use that encompasses the large open wheel formula used to compete in the Indy 500 for the past 100 or so years, has actually been many different series from several different sanctioning bodies, including AAA, USAC, and CART among others. CART was formed to take the series over and be group focused soley on championship racing (as opposed to the other bodies), but it ws owned by all the team and essentially tore itself because there was no one person who could guide the series for growth. I saw an article in the last year or so from Chris Economaki or Robin Miller detailing all the heads CART had in its life, and it's just a joke how many there were (something like 13 in 20 years?). That's why I'm kind of happy that the IRL is winning and not CCWS. There are 4 owners of CCWS right now, and if you believe the Miller articles they are fighting with each other. My dream is that Tony George pulls a Bill France and can guide the series back to greatness, including bringing more road courses into the series. A lot of people think they didn’t succeed because they didn’t have a single string leader, like the France family or Bernie. “Championship racing”, which is essentially the only name you can use that encompasses the large open wheel formula used to compete in the Indy 500 for the past 100 or so years, has actually been many different series from several different sanctioning bodies, including AAA, USAC, and CART among others. CART was formed to take the series over and be group focused soley on championship racing (as opposed to the other bodies), but it ws owned by all the team and essentially tore itself because there was no one person who could guide the series for growth. I saw an article in the last year or so from Chris Economaki or Robin Miller detailing all the heads CART had in its life, and it’s just a joke how many there were (something like 13 in 20 years?).

That’s why I’m kind of happy that the IRL is winning and not CCWS. There are 4 owners of CCWS right now, and if you believe the Miller articles they are fighting with each other. My dream is that Tony George pulls a Bill France and can guide the series back to greatness, including bringing more road courses into the series.

]]> By: Keith Collantine http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145313 Keith Collantine Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:19:43 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145313 Short answer: small men with big egos. Short answer: small men with big egos.

]]> By: oliver http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145312 oliver Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:10:22 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145312 The last viable competitor to F1, was killed by greed and ego. Not that I really liked the sound of the cars though. The only thing the formula had was speed, every other thing was low tech. Teams spent only a fraction of what F1 teams were operating on. Why didn't they succeed? The last viable competitor to F1, was killed by greed and ego. Not that I really liked the sound of the cars though. The only thing the formula had was speed, every other thing was low tech. Teams spent only a fraction of what F1 teams were operating on. Why didn’t they succeed?

]]> By: Haplo http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-145299 Haplo Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:37:43 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/20/how-an-indycar-merger-might-affect-f1/#comment-145299 Nonsense, the only american driver able to turn right, was JVi, and he was a canadian! Sorry, but I just hate those fugly cars, they could be racing icecream trucks for all I care ;) Nonsense, the only american driver able to turn right, was JVi, and he was a canadian!

Sorry, but I just hate those fugly cars, they could be racing icecream trucks for all I care ;)

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