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	<title>Comments on: Poll: should F1 have push-to-pass?</title>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think P2P helps at all in the A1GP. Those cars are the most fun to watch when they&#039;re being driven absolutely flat out, they slide around nicely and can be very entertaining -- qualifying in Durban looked great but some idiot (me) managed to delete the race from the DVD recorder grrrr!.

I haven&#039;t been able to watch Champcar for the last couple of years but I don&#039;t remember it helping the action much back in &#039;04 when I last saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think P2P helps at all in the A1GP. Those cars are the most fun to watch when they&#8217;re being driven absolutely flat out, they slide around nicely and can be very entertaining &#8212; qualifying in Durban looked great but some idiot (me) managed to delete the race from the DVD recorder grrrr!.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to watch Champcar for the last couple of years but I don&#8217;t remember it helping the action much back in &#8217;04 when I last saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: SoLiD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoLiD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it can be good yeah... cause i was gutted when i went to spa, and those rev limited engines made it so hard to pass... so some boost might be good for such times... But again, it could do nothing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it can be good yeah&#8230; cause i was gutted when i went to spa, and those rev limited engines made it so hard to pass&#8230; so some boost might be good for such times&#8230; But again, it could do nothing <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/26/poll-should-f1-have-push-to-pass/comment-page-2/#comment-146668</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What happens when the car behind and the one in front press the button at the same time?&quot;

As has been seen in A1GP and Champcar plenty of times, not very much at all. Push-to-pass becomes just as defensive a move as it does offensive.

KERS is not a bad thing, in my view, but it is bad if you want to sell the cost-cutting basis. With F1 trying to be low cost yet high &quot;green&quot;, it&#039;s gotten itself in a bit of a spin when at the moment they seem to be mutually exclusive.  Forgetting that, I&#039;m quite a big fan of providing teams and drivers with as many options as possible. So if the energy from KERS could either be saved up over a period of, say, 5-10 laps and released in a long powerful burst, or multiple short powerful bursts, or an even longer but weaker burst or literally used up corner-to-corner as it&#039;s generated(etc.) I would be happy. If all the KERS systems are designed to do the same thing in the same way that is less interesting. It&#039;s a bit like the turbo analogy mentioned before.

Push-to-pass is in itself (the A1/CCWS model) is just to generate more overtaking in a not-neccessarily &quot;pure&quot; way. But the KERS aspect could be engineered to try and get cars round race distances faster, and if that results in them overtaking more people then that would be a bonus. But it&#039;s not clear to me that the FIA are going to give the teams the absolute freedom to maximise the technology. Why 80bhp, for example? Why not just remove the limit and say what you can generate you can use? why all have a different system to achieve the same thing? It&#039;s like the engines. Max can get away with homologating them because they are all relatively equal. They may all as well be running a &quot;spec&quot; engine that has a differen manufacturers badge on it for all the difference it makes. I suspect KERS will be the same, unfortunately. 

F1 has lost sight of what it needs to be doing. The 4-way balance of keeping the major manufacturers interested with technology, yet keeping costs down, whilst maintaining the &quot;spectacle/show&quot; for the fans, at the same time as being seen to go &quot;green&quot;, are too disparate for them all to work. F1 needs to sit down and focus on just a couple of those things, I think. Sorry, that turned out to be a rant on the state of the sport as opposed to push-to-pass discussion :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What happens when the car behind and the one in front press the button at the same time?&#8221;</p>
<p>As has been seen in A1GP and Champcar plenty of times, not very much at all. Push-to-pass becomes just as defensive a move as it does offensive.</p>
<p>KERS is not a bad thing, in my view, but it is bad if you want to sell the cost-cutting basis. With F1 trying to be low cost yet high &#8220;green&#8221;, it&#8217;s gotten itself in a bit of a spin when at the moment they seem to be mutually exclusive.  Forgetting that, I&#8217;m quite a big fan of providing teams and drivers with as many options as possible. So if the energy from KERS could either be saved up over a period of, say, 5-10 laps and released in a long powerful burst, or multiple short powerful bursts, or an even longer but weaker burst or literally used up corner-to-corner as it&#8217;s generated(etc.) I would be happy. If all the KERS systems are designed to do the same thing in the same way that is less interesting. It&#8217;s a bit like the turbo analogy mentioned before.</p>
<p>Push-to-pass is in itself (the A1/CCWS model) is just to generate more overtaking in a not-neccessarily &#8220;pure&#8221; way. But the KERS aspect could be engineered to try and get cars round race distances faster, and if that results in them overtaking more people then that would be a bonus. But it&#8217;s not clear to me that the FIA are going to give the teams the absolute freedom to maximise the technology. Why 80bhp, for example? Why not just remove the limit and say what you can generate you can use? why all have a different system to achieve the same thing? It&#8217;s like the engines. Max can get away with homologating them because they are all relatively equal. They may all as well be running a &#8220;spec&#8221; engine that has a differen manufacturers badge on it for all the difference it makes. I suspect KERS will be the same, unfortunately. </p>
<p>F1 has lost sight of what it needs to be doing. The 4-way balance of keeping the major manufacturers interested with technology, yet keeping costs down, whilst maintaining the &#8220;spectacle/show&#8221; for the fans, at the same time as being seen to go &#8220;green&#8221;, are too disparate for them all to work. F1 needs to sit down and focus on just a couple of those things, I think. Sorry, that turned out to be a rant on the state of the sport as opposed to push-to-pass discussion <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when the car behind and the one in front press the button at the same time? But honestly, do we really want to see cars going past each other with relative ease?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when the car behind and the one in front press the button at the same time? But honestly, do we really want to see cars going past each other with relative ease?</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>personally - F1 should be about designing and engineering inovation - that is if ferrari have amoveable floor fair enough - but it should be available to all - if they have it patent it and others can pay to use it - kers - no - better brakes more grunt - saving power to use later - well get them in a giant hamster wheel and you could get enough energy to light the track at night - solves max@s concience(really think that&#039;s a pr excercise) - and little big man&#039;s eddict that all future F1 races from the other side of the world should have lighting - there two for the price of one - the whole thing is a big sop and has nothing to do with competitive racing or innovation -I was looking forward to this year but I am rapidly feeling just a little bit sick at more stupid regulations - perhaps the teams and drivers may change that when racing begins soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally &#8211; F1 should be about designing and engineering inovation &#8211; that is if ferrari have amoveable floor fair enough &#8211; but it should be available to all &#8211; if they have it patent it and others can pay to use it &#8211; kers &#8211; no &#8211; better brakes more grunt &#8211; saving power to use later &#8211; well get them in a giant hamster wheel and you could get enough energy to light the track at night &#8211; solves max@s concience(really think that&#8217;s a pr excercise) &#8211; and little big man&#8217;s eddict that all future F1 races from the other side of the world should have lighting &#8211; there two for the price of one &#8211; the whole thing is a big sop and has nothing to do with competitive racing or innovation -I was looking forward to this year but I am rapidly feeling just a little bit sick at more stupid regulations &#8211; perhaps the teams and drivers may change that when racing begins soon</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/02/26/poll-should-f1-have-push-to-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-146533</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Push to pass has no place in motor racing let alone F1.  There is no skill whatever involved and I find it strange in the extreme that TC and braking control is banned but push to pass is allowed.  Just incredibly stupid.

The only way to create overtaking is to reduce the aero grip and increase the mechanical grip.  This is not rocket science.  The reason FFord and touring cars consistently produce close racing is because they don&#039;t have unnecessary aero devices.

I think if Max is serious about making the sport green he should not simply allow KERS.  He should allow heat recovery from brakes and radiators.  It must be possible for the air that flows over the car at 200mph to be used to generate power.  Open up the rules to any energy recovery device.

Of course McLaren had energy recovery 5 years ago but it was banned for no obvious reason.  If it had been allowed everyone would have advanced energy recovery devices now.  I wonder if it would have been banned if it had appeared on a red car?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Push to pass has no place in motor racing let alone F1.  There is no skill whatever involved and I find it strange in the extreme that TC and braking control is banned but push to pass is allowed.  Just incredibly stupid.</p>
<p>The only way to create overtaking is to reduce the aero grip and increase the mechanical grip.  This is not rocket science.  The reason FFord and touring cars consistently produce close racing is because they don&#8217;t have unnecessary aero devices.</p>
<p>I think if Max is serious about making the sport green he should not simply allow KERS.  He should allow heat recovery from brakes and radiators.  It must be possible for the air that flows over the car at 200mph to be used to generate power.  Open up the rules to any energy recovery device.</p>
<p>Of course McLaren had energy recovery 5 years ago but it was banned for no obvious reason.  If it had been allowed everyone would have advanced energy recovery devices now.  I wonder if it would have been banned if it had appeared on a red car?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like a fair few people agree with Manatcna. I wonder if the people who are voting against it are more unhappy with the idea of &#039;push-to-pass&#039; or the idea of KERS? Would you be happy to have &#039;push-to-pass&#039; without KERS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like a fair few people agree with Manatcna. I wonder if the people who are voting against it are more unhappy with the idea of &#8216;push-to-pass&#8217; or the idea of KERS? Would you be happy to have &#8216;push-to-pass&#8217; without KERS?</p>
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		<title>By: manatcna</title>
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		<dc:creator>manatcna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything that leads to more overtaking gets my vote!</description>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KERS is fine as long as it is used to increase the efficiency of the engine.  It&#039;s when you give the driver a button to utilise the energy saved that competition gives way to entertainment.  If entertainment is that important, why don&#039;t they draw lots for which cars they&#039;ll drive in each GP?  That should shake up the order a bit and give us a tremendous show.

Of course, it won&#039;t be F1, any more than it would be with a push-to-pass button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KERS is fine as long as it is used to increase the efficiency of the engine.  It&#8217;s when you give the driver a button to utilise the energy saved that competition gives way to entertainment.  If entertainment is that important, why don&#8217;t they draw lots for which cars they&#8217;ll drive in each GP?  That should shake up the order a bit and give us a tremendous show.</p>
<p>Of course, it won&#8217;t be F1, any more than it would be with a push-to-pass button.</p>
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		<title>By: Scootin159</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scootin159</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do support having KERS on the cars... but not having it mandated, and definitely not with a &quot;max 80hp&quot; rule.  There&#039;s so little that the engineer&#039;s are &#039;free&#039; with, I think this would be a great opportunity to allow for some creative designs... as well as improve a technology that actually IS useful to the street car market.

A &#039;push-to-pass&#039; definitely doesn&#039;t sit right with me for one reason - it implies that the engine is artificially restricted otherwise.  While we all know the engine is restricted... it&#039;s only the means which is restricted, not the end result.  Perhaps I would feel differently if the restriction was to &quot;remove the 19k rpm limit for x number of seconds total per race&quot;, but certainly not if it&#039;s &quot;max 800hp except for x seconds where 900hp is allowed&quot;.... but unfortunately my faith in the FIA tells me it will be implemented in a worse way than either of these.

F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport because it is the best of the best of everything.  The day IRL cars lap the same track quicker than an F1 car, is the day I switch my allegiance.  The more they limit the engineers, the quicker this will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do support having KERS on the cars&#8230; but not having it mandated, and definitely not with a &#8220;max 80hp&#8221; rule.  There&#8217;s so little that the engineer&#8217;s are &#8216;free&#8217; with, I think this would be a great opportunity to allow for some creative designs&#8230; as well as improve a technology that actually IS useful to the street car market.</p>
<p>A &#8216;push-to-pass&#8217; definitely doesn&#8217;t sit right with me for one reason &#8211; it implies that the engine is artificially restricted otherwise.  While we all know the engine is restricted&#8230; it&#8217;s only the means which is restricted, not the end result.  Perhaps I would feel differently if the restriction was to &#8220;remove the 19k rpm limit for x number of seconds total per race&#8221;, but certainly not if it&#8217;s &#8220;max 800hp except for x seconds where 900hp is allowed&#8221;&#8230;. but unfortunately my faith in the FIA tells me it will be implemented in a worse way than either of these.</p>
<p>F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport because it is the best of the best of everything.  The day IRL cars lap the same track quicker than an F1 car, is the day I switch my allegiance.  The more they limit the engineers, the quicker this will happen.</p>
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