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	<title>Comments on: Video: Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen investigated over blocking</title>
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		<title>By: Santy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think Lewis should avoid these thing. What I concluded from 
http://www.octanmen.com/articleDetail/165/Lewis-Hamilton--profile.htm
Hamilton is a rising star with lots of achievements in his kitty and these acts leave a bad impression about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think Lewis should avoid these thing. What I concluded from<br />
<a href="http://www.octanmen.com/articleDetail/165/Lewis-Hamilton--profile.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.octanmen.com/articleDetail/165/Lewis-Hamilton&#8211;profile.htm</a><br />
Hamilton is a rising star with lots of achievements in his kitty and these acts leave a bad impression about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Manatcna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manatcna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.
You want to stop blocking after qualifying has finished?
Have an exit lane to the pits 100-200 metres after the finish line.  The drivers who have finished their last hot lap would be off the racing line - and off the track - and on a scenic route back to the pits.
Seems simple to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.<br />
You want to stop blocking after qualifying has finished?<br />
Have an exit lane to the pits 100-200 metres after the finish line.  The drivers who have finished their last hot lap would be off the racing line &#8211; and off the track &#8211; and on a scenic route back to the pits.<br />
Seems simple to me.</p>
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		<title>By: mail123456</title>
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		<dc:creator>mail123456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again we see another episod of soap opera ... after just two qualifications FIA will make changes according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66028&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;autosport&lt;/a&gt; ...
did all we tired about these rules changes ?
&quot;And it is the fear of an accident that has prompted calls for a maximum lap time rule to be introduce from the next race in Bahrain to ensure there is no future repeat of the incident.&quot;
Safety is only aspect what is described here ... BUT what excactly will hapen when driver is moving with min allowed speed and some other driver trying to pass him with racing speed ? We see it in every race ... no matter how fast someone is, he can&#039;t pass on every place on track ... so drivers will be forced to drive outside ot racing line with some minimal speed just to be sure not blocking someone ... it&#039;s strange for me ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again we see another episod of soap opera &#8230; after just two qualifications FIA will make changes according to <a href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66028" rel="nofollow">autosport</a> &#8230;<br />
did all we tired about these rules changes ?<br />
&quot;And it is the fear of an accident that has prompted calls for a maximum lap time rule to be introduce from the next race in Bahrain to ensure there is no future repeat of the incident.&quot;<br />
Safety is only aspect what is described here &#8230; BUT what excactly will hapen when driver is moving with min allowed speed and some other driver trying to pass him with racing speed ? We see it in every race &#8230; no matter how fast someone is, he can&#8217;t pass on every place on track &#8230; so drivers will be forced to drive outside ot racing line with some minimal speed just to be sure not blocking someone &#8230; it&#8217;s strange for me &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: milos</title>
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		<dc:creator>milos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When watching the qualifying the only car I saw at that moment impeding others was Timo Glock. And he was also immediately a topic of the commenators on Star TV. Apparently no drivers complained about Glock, so he was not investigated and penalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When watching the qualifying the only car I saw at that moment impeding others was Timo Glock. And he was also immediately a topic of the commenators on Star TV. Apparently no drivers complained about Glock, so he was not investigated and penalized.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of what&#039;s been said here (apart from the few bits of partisan axe-grinding) - particularly Alianora and Cooperman&#039;s remarks.

I do think that, on the whole, the stewards have been fairly consistent with this sort of thing: Alonso blocked Hamilton at Hungaroring, five place grid penalty. Hamilton and Kovalainen blocked Heidfeld and Alonso, five place grid penalty. Hamilton didn&#039;t block Raikkonen at Interlagos, no grid penalty. Although I wonder how Raikkonen went un-penalised for blocking Kubica in Q1 at Melbourne?

I think the point raised by Cooperman is the most important - the wider issue is the problematic regulations. Some people have suggested ways of making sure drivers don&#039;t slow each other down while preserving fuel on the way to the pits. I think the simplest answer to this is to stop making drivers qualifying with race fuel loads. As I&#039;ve written before, &lt;a href=&quot;../../../../2007/09/20/ten-reasons-why-race-fuel-qualifying-must-go/&quot; title=&quot;Ten reasons why race fuel qualifying much go&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s a useless rule that has failed to achieve the purpose it was introduced for&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of what&#8217;s been said here (apart from the few bits of partisan axe-grinding) &#8211; particularly Alianora and Cooperman&#8217;s remarks.</p>
<p>I do think that, on the whole, the stewards have been fairly consistent with this sort of thing: Alonso blocked Hamilton at Hungaroring, five place grid penalty. Hamilton and Kovalainen blocked Heidfeld and Alonso, five place grid penalty. Hamilton didn&#8217;t block Raikkonen at Interlagos, no grid penalty. Although I wonder how Raikkonen went un-penalised for blocking Kubica in Q1 at Melbourne?</p>
<p>I think the point raised by Cooperman is the most important &#8211; the wider issue is the problematic regulations. Some people have suggested ways of making sure drivers don&#8217;t slow each other down while preserving fuel on the way to the pits. I think the simplest answer to this is to stop making drivers qualifying with race fuel loads. As I&#8217;ve written before, <a href="../../../../2007/09/20/ten-reasons-why-race-fuel-qualifying-must-go/" title="Ten reasons why race fuel qualifying much go" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s a useless rule that has failed to achieve the purpose it was introduced for</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Flag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Flag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, firstly, it&#039;s impolite to use caps for an entire posting, second, the McLarens weren&#039;t penalized for going slowly, they were penalized for going slowly on the racing line, which interfered with other drivers&#039; qualifying laps and could have caused an accident. Only the McLaren drivers were that thoughtless or irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, firstly, it&#8217;s impolite to use caps for an entire posting, second, the McLarens weren&#8217;t penalized for going slowly, they were penalized for going slowly on the racing line, which interfered with other drivers&#8217; qualifying laps and could have caused an accident. Only the McLaren drivers were that thoughtless or irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>By: don wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>don wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY DID DID HEIDFIELD &amp; ALONSO, {IF IT WAS THEM PERSONALLY} MENTION ONLY THE 2 McCLARENS, WHEN THERE WERE OTHER CARS GOING SLOWLY ON THE FINAL MINUTES OF PRACTICE.
I  AGREE THIS A SERIOUS SITUATION, BUT IT HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE RULES &amp; AS THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND RACE UNDER THESE RULES, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING, NOT A PENALTY. &amp; ALSO  TO WARN  ALL TEAMS, THAT IN FUTURE THEY ARE  TO DRIVE AT RACING SPEED UNTIL THEY REACH THE PITS.
HOW CAN THEY IMPOSE A PENALTY ON ONLY 2 CARS { STRANGE, THAT THEY BOTH HAPPEN TO BE McCLARENS ] WHEN OTHER CARS WERE ON THAT LAP DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING. I THINK THE THING THAT DRIVES EVERYONE MAD IS THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE STEWARDS &amp; THE FIA IN THE WAY THEY APPLY THE RULES, OR IN THE WAY THEY INTERPRET THEM, OR THE WAY THEY MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG. ANY WAY, LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE SHOULD SEE A GREAT RACE TOMORROW, WITH LOTS OF OVERTAKING, &amp; CARS GOING OFF, &amp; PROBABLY ONLY 6 FINISHERS AGAIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY DID DID HEIDFIELD &amp; ALONSO, {IF IT WAS THEM PERSONALLY} MENTION ONLY THE 2 McCLARENS, WHEN THERE WERE OTHER CARS GOING SLOWLY ON THE FINAL MINUTES OF PRACTICE.<br />
I  AGREE THIS A SERIOUS SITUATION, BUT IT HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE RULES &amp; AS THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND RACE UNDER THESE RULES, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING, NOT A PENALTY. &amp; ALSO  TO WARN  ALL TEAMS, THAT IN FUTURE THEY ARE  TO DRIVE AT RACING SPEED UNTIL THEY REACH THE PITS.<br />
HOW CAN THEY IMPOSE A PENALTY ON ONLY 2 CARS { STRANGE, THAT THEY BOTH HAPPEN TO BE McCLARENS ] WHEN OTHER CARS WERE ON THAT LAP DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING. I THINK THE THING THAT DRIVES EVERYONE MAD IS THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE STEWARDS &amp; THE FIA IN THE WAY THEY APPLY THE RULES, OR IN THE WAY THEY INTERPRET THEM, OR THE WAY THEY MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG. ANY WAY, LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE SHOULD SEE A GREAT RACE TOMORROW, WITH LOTS OF OVERTAKING, &amp; CARS GOING OFF, &amp; PROBABLY ONLY 6 FINISHERS AGAIN.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I look at the video, the more I think it&#039;s a load of crap giving them both penalties- I&#039;d love to see just how many people they passed over the course of their hot laps who were in some way inconveniencing them. As somebody else said, if they choose to wait till the last possible moment for their hot lap, then that is naturally going to have consequences, and they should just deal with it. Fot heidfeld to say he reckoned he lost 2 tenths there is absurd - he never even let up on the throttle, and frankly his teammate on the inside was far more of a distraction, it seemed.

Still, in a team as well run as Mclaren, you would have expected both the drivers not to be anywhere near the racing line, or at least for their engineers to have warned them over the radio that they were being approached by some drivers on their hot laps  and to make sure they were nowhere near - smacks to me of the kind of incompetence that never happened under Ross Brawn at ferrari (if Schumi ever got in someone&#039;s way on a hot lap - you knew he damn well meant to!), and is just another example of the way Mclaren seem to want to throw away championships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I look at the video, the more I think it&#8217;s a load of crap giving them both penalties- I&#8217;d love to see just how many people they passed over the course of their hot laps who were in some way inconveniencing them. As somebody else said, if they choose to wait till the last possible moment for their hot lap, then that is naturally going to have consequences, and they should just deal with it. Fot heidfeld to say he reckoned he lost 2 tenths there is absurd &#8211; he never even let up on the throttle, and frankly his teammate on the inside was far more of a distraction, it seemed.</p>
<p>Still, in a team as well run as Mclaren, you would have expected both the drivers not to be anywhere near the racing line, or at least for their engineers to have warned them over the radio that they were being approached by some drivers on their hot laps  and to make sure they were nowhere near &#8211; smacks to me of the kind of incompetence that never happened under Ross Brawn at ferrari (if Schumi ever got in someone&#8217;s way on a hot lap &#8211; you knew he damn well meant to!), and is just another example of the way Mclaren seem to want to throw away championships.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cooperman.. refer to this figure on how they tackle the apex, and why LH should&#039;ve known better not to be in the fast lane...
http://www.goforceindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/geometric-apex.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooperman.. refer to this figure on how they tackle the apex, and why LH should&#8217;ve known better not to be in the fast lane&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.goforceindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/geometric-apex.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.goforceindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/geometric-apex.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cars shouldn&#039;t have been going so slowly on the racing line to start with. That&#039;s dangerous. The trouble is that creating a rule to prevent slow cars on the racing line that can be fairly enforced is extremely difficult. So punishing the two McLaren drivers for the nearest rule in the books that they broke - baulking Heidfeld and Alonso - is perfectly fair. What isn&#039;t fair is that there were about four other drivers engaging in the same behaviour, yet the stewards didn&#039;t investigate them. Is it too much to ask for consistency from the stewards? (That question is rhetorical, by the way).

The lap requirement last year only applied to completed laps and was only used for the purpose of fuel crediting. Non-completed laps (such as in- and out-laps) could not be counted because there hasn&#039;t been a completely accurate and consistent way of timing individual in/out-laps since 2002 (when all circuits had a fibre-optic loop). I can see such loops being reinstalled eventually, not just as a rule enforcement tool but to enable true digital TV broadcasting again. Next race, however, is too soon to hope for...

Fer no. 65, the fastest-time removal penalty was removed because drivers got differential punishments according to how they&#039;d gone about qualifying up to that point. When one driver gets penalised one place (Villnueve against Fisichella, Nurburgring 2006) and another is penalised five places for the thing (Alonso against Massa, Monza 2006), it suggests a certain inconsistancy in the way punishments are applied, even though both of them had the same initial punishment (loss of fastest lap). N grid places is considered to be more transparent and a more equal punishment between cases.

NDINYO, there&#039;s a good reason why you can&#039;t find a specific clause calling for the docking of five grid places. It doesn&#039;t exist. The nearest thing in the regulations is Article 31.6:

&quot;In the event of a driving infringement in any practise session the Stewards may drop the driver such number of grid positions as they see fit...&quot;

While this doesn&#039;t explicitly cover qualifying, it does suggest that the stewards are free to use whatever number of grid positions they deem appropriate and that five places is an arbitrary number. Surely this is another recipe for inconsistency in decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cars shouldn&#8217;t have been going so slowly on the racing line to start with. That&#8217;s dangerous. The trouble is that creating a rule to prevent slow cars on the racing line that can be fairly enforced is extremely difficult. So punishing the two McLaren drivers for the nearest rule in the books that they broke &#8211; baulking Heidfeld and Alonso &#8211; is perfectly fair. What isn&#8217;t fair is that there were about four other drivers engaging in the same behaviour, yet the stewards didn&#8217;t investigate them. Is it too much to ask for consistency from the stewards? (That question is rhetorical, by the way).</p>
<p>The lap requirement last year only applied to completed laps and was only used for the purpose of fuel crediting. Non-completed laps (such as in- and out-laps) could not be counted because there hasn&#8217;t been a completely accurate and consistent way of timing individual in/out-laps since 2002 (when all circuits had a fibre-optic loop). I can see such loops being reinstalled eventually, not just as a rule enforcement tool but to enable true digital TV broadcasting again. Next race, however, is too soon to hope for&#8230;</p>
<p>Fer no. 65, the fastest-time removal penalty was removed because drivers got differential punishments according to how they&#8217;d gone about qualifying up to that point. When one driver gets penalised one place (Villnueve against Fisichella, Nurburgring 2006) and another is penalised five places for the thing (Alonso against Massa, Monza 2006), it suggests a certain inconsistancy in the way punishments are applied, even though both of them had the same initial punishment (loss of fastest lap). N grid places is considered to be more transparent and a more equal punishment between cases.</p>
<p>NDINYO, there&#8217;s a good reason why you can&#8217;t find a specific clause calling for the docking of five grid places. It doesn&#8217;t exist. The nearest thing in the regulations is Article 31.6:</p>
<p>&quot;In the event of a driving infringement in any practise session the Stewards may drop the driver such number of grid positions as they see fit&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>While this doesn&#8217;t explicitly cover qualifying, it does suggest that the stewards are free to use whatever number of grid positions they deem appropriate and that five places is an arbitrary number. Surely this is another recipe for inconsistency in decisions.</p>
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