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> <channel><title>Comments on: How Formula 1 can improve safety following the Heikki Kovalainen crash</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:44:01 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Toncho</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-164135</link> <dc:creator>Toncho</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:50:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-164135</guid> <description>Anyone know if KOV is going to be ready for Turkey? Last year KUB was obligied to step off for one race. If that is the case who is the replacement? DLR? Thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know if KOV is going to be ready for Turkey? Last year KUB was obligied to step off for one race. If that is the case who is the replacement? DLR? Thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sush</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163941</link> <dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163941</guid> <description>Chunter, incorrect Coultard didn&#039;t brake his car... it was quite clearly someone else fault.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chunter, incorrect Coultard didn&#8217;t brake his car&#8230; it was quite clearly someone else fault.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sush</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163939</link> <dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163939</guid> <description>Ninguen, I was actually being facetious and sarcastic regarding the nose cones on F1 cars.Its impossible to change that aspect of the car in such a dramatic way, and making the nose stronger for a frontal impact would make it much more dangerous in a skirmish on track for position.An F1 car is designed to almost turn to dust upon heavy impact, thereby decreasing the chance of large debris smacking the drivers in the face.
 
POW RIGHT IN THE  KISSER.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ninguen, I was actually being facetious and sarcastic regarding the nose cones on F1 cars.</p><p>Its impossible to change that aspect of the car in such a dramatic way, and making the nose stronger for a frontal impact would make it much more dangerous in a skirmish on track for position.</p><p>An F1 car is designed to almost turn to dust upon heavy impact, thereby decreasing the chance of large debris smacking the drivers in the face.<br
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/> POW RIGHT IN THE  KISSER.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chunter</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163937</link> <dc:creator>chunter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163937</guid> <description>A quick response to Sush&#039;s statement is that Coulthard already broke his car on such a run-off, so in a sense, you are only allowed so many mistakes.  (That means there should be a tall curb and some growing grass in between the track and the run-off.)I remember reading about a new barrier being developed made from plastics that is intended to prevent tire-wall burial, if I find a link explaining it I will comment again.I&#039;m sure work will begin on that corner, considering all the other after-thought changes they&#039;ve made to the facility.  While watching the race, I also wondered what would happen if a car lost grip during New Holland chicane?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick response to Sush&#8217;s statement is that Coulthard already broke his car on such a run-off, so in a sense, you are only allowed so many mistakes.  (That means there should be a tall curb and some growing grass in between the track and the run-off.)</p><p>I remember reading about a new barrier being developed made from plastics that is intended to prevent tire-wall burial, if I find a link explaining it I will comment again.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure work will begin on that corner, considering all the other after-thought changes they&#8217;ve made to the facility.  While watching the race, I also wondered what would happen if a car lost grip during New Holland chicane?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael K</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163930</link> <dc:creator>Michael K</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:07:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163930</guid> <description>Tarmac would&#039;ve worked a lot better than gravel by providing the grip for the three braking wheels to slow the car down. At that speed the car doesn&#039;t get caught by the gravel as we could see, gravel only works well at slower speeds for F1 cars.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarmac would&#8217;ve worked a lot better than gravel by providing the grip for the three braking wheels to slow the car down. At that speed the car doesn&#8217;t get caught by the gravel as we could see, gravel only works well at slower speeds for F1 cars.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ninguen</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163926</link> <dc:creator>ninguen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163926</guid> <description>There´s another problem with the tarmac/gravel trap discussion, many circuits are both used in races for cars and bikes, the motorbikes prefer the gravels trap, they are caught and stopped there and the driver gets a &quot;softer&quot; surface to fall, with the new tarmac run off areas they get heavier hits with the surface. But the cars tend to bounce and if they go flat in the corner the car almost fly and  his speed ismostly unaffected, so we get diverging interests in here.
In the case of Kova i don´t think a tarmac area would do muhc better, just more space would be needed. Sush made a good comment, maybe remodelling the nose of the cars, so they aren´t like a knife would be better. Maybe also making the barriers not being in line in all the dimensions, i mean
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So the car only could get one spot, the rest of the lines wouldn´t be new surface of pneumatic</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There´s another problem with the tarmac/gravel trap discussion, many circuits are both used in races for cars and bikes, the motorbikes prefer the gravels trap, they are caught and stopped there and the driver gets a &quot;softer&quot; surface to fall, with the new tarmac run off areas they get heavier hits with the surface. But the cars tend to bounce and if they go flat in the corner the car almost fly and  his speed ismostly unaffected, so we get diverging interests in here.<br
/> In the case of Kova i don´t think a tarmac area would do muhc better, just more space would be needed. Sush made a good comment, maybe remodelling the nose of the cars, so they aren´t like a knife would be better. Maybe also making the barriers not being in line in all the dimensions, i mean<br
/> _____ ______ ______<br
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/> So the car only could get one spot, the rest of the lines wouldn´t be new surface of pneumatic</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sush</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163923</link> <dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163923</guid> <description>so Heikki&#039;s car knifed itself through the conveyor belt?, easy way to make F1 safer if thats the case, make the front end of the cars flat.I do NOT like run off area&#039;s.  Having a huge stretch of tarmac round every turn in F1 is giving the drivers a &quot;reset&quot; button for mistakes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so Heikki&#8217;s car knifed itself through the conveyor belt?, easy way to make F1 safer if thats the case, make the front end of the cars flat.</p><p>I do NOT like run off area&#8217;s.  Having a huge stretch of tarmac round every turn in F1 is giving the drivers a &quot;reset&quot; button for mistakes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163894</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:37:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163894</guid> <description>An excellent interview in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1544&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Autosport Journal&lt;/a&gt; (may require subcription) with Charlie Whiting addresses some of the points above:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Heikki&#039;s car split the belt about 40cm above the ground. That&#039;s where it first hit, and it penetrated and then went through the tyres. When I looked at the pictures I thought it had gone under it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent interview in the <a
href="http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1544" rel="nofollow">Autosport Journal</a> (may require subcription) with Charlie Whiting addresses some of the points above:</p><blockquote><p>Heikki&#8217;s car split the belt about 40cm above the ground. That&#8217;s where it first hit, and it penetrated and then went through the tyres. When I looked at the pictures I thought it had gone under it.</p></blockquote> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: frecon</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163864</link> <dc:creator>frecon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:08:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163864</guid> <description>Another surprising thing to me was the race direction&#039;s decission. It lasted more than 30 sec to the FIA stop the race and give any order to the SC and medical car. I think everybody after seeing the marshalls reaction knew that heiki&#039;s incident was serious.I think they could investigate use some kind of destructible device before the tyre stacsk in the high speed run-off areas. Something like pneumatic barriers used in motorbikes races, or the fences used in skying.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another surprising thing to me was the race direction&#8217;s decission. It lasted more than 30 sec to the FIA stop the race and give any order to the SC and medical car. I think everybody after seeing the marshalls reaction knew that heiki&#8217;s incident was serious.</p><p>I think they could investigate use some kind of destructible device before the tyre stacsk in the high speed run-off areas. Something like pneumatic barriers used in motorbikes races, or the fences used in skying.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nico Savidge</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163832</link> <dc:creator>Nico Savidge</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:53:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163832</guid> <description>I might make myself sound stupid on this but whatever...First, I&#039;m not sure how much help a paved runoff area would have been in Heikki&#039;s case, since he was basically a passenger once that tire blew. Sure, the gravel probably didn&#039;t slow him down (or help him control the car) very much, but I doubt tarmac would have done much better.Second, it seems to me that the main reason why his car was so buried was because the low nose allowed it to burrow in under the tires. Could this possibly be solved by putting the tires a few feet below ground-level, so the car can&#039;t shovel itself under them?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might make myself sound stupid on this but whatever&#8230;</p><p>First, I&#8217;m not sure how much help a paved runoff area would have been in Heikki&#8217;s case, since he was basically a passenger once that tire blew. Sure, the gravel probably didn&#8217;t slow him down (or help him control the car) very much, but I doubt tarmac would have done much better.</p><p>Second, it seems to me that the main reason why his car was so buried was because the low nose allowed it to burrow in under the tires. Could this possibly be solved by putting the tires a few feet below ground-level, so the car can&#8217;t shovel itself under them?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cyanide</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163829</link> <dc:creator>cyanide</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:49:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163829</guid> <description>I did notice how long it took for the Medical car to reach the area where Kovalainen crashed. Compare that to Kubica&#039;s crash last year, where it was there within seconds of the crash. Maybe it&#039;s just me, but I don&#039;t like tarmac run-off areas since it makes it easy for drivers to push without worrying about messing up their race, and can be used as a shortcut during close racing. Perhaps they could make those gravel run-off areas inclined at a small angle so that gravity can help with deceleration.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did notice how long it took for the Medical car to reach the area where Kovalainen crashed. Compare that to Kubica&#8217;s crash last year, where it was there within seconds of the crash. Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but I don&#8217;t like tarmac run-off areas since it makes it easy for drivers to push without worrying about messing up their race, and can be used as a shortcut during close racing. Perhaps they could make those gravel run-off areas inclined at a small angle so that gravity can help with deceleration.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William Wilgus</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163826</link> <dc:creator>William Wilgus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:37:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163826</guid> <description>One way to help would be to have an aerodynamic brake (think of the `dive brakes&#039; one certain airplanes) that could be extended when a crash becomes obviously un-avoidable.  To satisfy the no movable aero devices rule, it could be made so that it could not be retracted by the driver while in the car.Similarly, rubber pads underneath the car could be extended to work just like the `shoe brake&#039; on old style children&#039;s scooters.  They&#039;d need to have something requiring a pit stop after use to prevent non-accident  use.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to help would be to have an aerodynamic brake (think of the `dive brakes&#8217; one certain airplanes) that could be extended when a crash becomes obviously un-avoidable.  To satisfy the no movable aero devices rule, it could be made so that it could not be retracted by the driver while in the car.</p><p>Similarly, rubber pads underneath the car could be extended to work just like the `shoe brake&#8217; on old style children&#8217;s scooters.  They&#8217;d need to have something requiring a pit stop after use to prevent non-accident  use.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163820</link> <dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163820</guid> <description>I think that Mark Webber is right about this.  Earlier in the weekend I saw a photograph of one of the Ferraris taking Campsa and thinking &quot;Boy Matt, that&#039;s not a whole lot of run off area is it?&quot;.  To my knowledge there is nothing, geographically speaking, preventing the race organizers from adding tarmac and increasing the run off area.  I believe that Tamburelo and Blanchimont both have streams running adjacent to them making larger run off areas next to impossible.Unfortunately given F1&#039;s lack of foresight, Herman Tilke might just get hired to build another tire chicane.  : (</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Mark Webber is right about this.  Earlier in the weekend I saw a photograph of one of the Ferraris taking Campsa and thinking &quot;Boy Matt, that&#8217;s not a whole lot of run off area is it?&quot;.  To my knowledge there is nothing, geographically speaking, preventing the race organizers from adding tarmac and increasing the run off area.  I believe that Tamburelo and Blanchimont both have streams running adjacent to them making larger run off areas next to impossible.Unfortunately given F1&#8217;s lack of foresight, Herman Tilke might just get hired to build another tire chicane.  : (</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: frecon</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-163818</link> <dc:creator>frecon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/04/30/how-formula-1-can-improve-safety-following-the-heikki-kovalainen-crash/#comment-163818</guid> <description>I&#039;m not an expert in this kind of enginering problems. But i find a problem here. In high speed crashes you need to disipate a lot of energy. Some part is disipated destroying adjacent pieces of the cockpit, but the main part of the energy are disipated in to the barriers.If the barrier is too hard, too soft, too elastic i think it&#039;s not going to work properly. I don&#039;t know if the belt is a good idea. Heiki&#039;s car was completely stopped by the second row of tyres. I guess the best option for a human body is a progressive deceleration, and use all the existing rows, but in this case we would have the problem concerning to be trapped into the stack.Anyway it looked like if everything worked fine last Sunday, and Heiki could avoid a serious accident. Once again, i think HANS was the most important piece of safety.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an expert in this kind of enginering problems. But i find a problem here. In high speed crashes you need to disipate a lot of energy. Some part is disipated destroying adjacent pieces of the cockpit, but the main part of the energy are disipated in to the barriers.</p><p>If the barrier is too hard, too soft, too elastic i think it&#8217;s not going to work properly. I don&#8217;t know if the belt is a good idea. Heiki&#8217;s car was completely stopped by the second row of tyres. I guess the best option for a human body is a progressive deceleration, and use all the existing rows, but in this case we would have the problem concerning to be trapped into the stack.</p><p>Anyway it looked like if everything worked fine last Sunday, and Heiki could avoid a serious accident. Once again, i think HANS was the most important piece of safety.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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