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		<title>By: Eleonore Amargo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleonore Amargo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if they have some clever strategy worked out or whether Max has just been sacrificed at the altar of Bernie&#039;s bank balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if they have some clever strategy worked out or whether Max has just been sacrificed at the altar of Bernie&#8217;s bank balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie Ecclestone has &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; refuted Mosley&#039;s claims in a letter of his own&lt;/a&gt;.

He said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The CRH does not wish to have control over the Formula One regulations.... The FIA should be solely responsible for policing and enforcing the Formula One regulations fairly, transparently and without bias.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie Ecclestone has <a target="_blank" href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67657" rel="nofollow"> refuted Mosley&#8217;s claims in a letter of his own</a>.</p>
<p>He said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The CRH does not wish to have control over the Formula One regulations&#8230;. The FIA should be solely responsible for policing and enforcing the Formula One regulations fairly, transparently and without bias.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 08:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big touring clubs would appear to be our best hope for a group to oust Max. Unlike the team bosses, they have significant power in the FIA election and removal processes - and finally they have the desire to act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big touring clubs would appear to be our best hope for a group to oust Max. Unlike the team bosses, they have significant power in the FIA election and removal processes &#8211; and finally they have the desire to act.</p>
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		<title>By: DG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 07:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fireblade - I agree, all the time everyone is asking &#039;is there and Nazi element to the story&#039; and &#039;is Mad Max really suitable&#039;, they are missing the point.
The questions are - who is behind the whole story? And for what reason? And why at this very specific timing?
I think Max will be able to put up a very strong defence in court,and he will be very convincing at the FIA meeting (which he called, remember?, Mad or not.
It will have to be an equally strong, if not stronger person/consortium which will force his resignation, and if it isn&#039;t Bernie/Flavio/Jean Todt/Mallya, who is it? Or do they not want his resignation after all - just his agreement to a little power sharing? And if it is them, won&#039;t the other F1 team owners, let alone the other sports which the FIA pretends to run, suffer as a consequence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fireblade &#8211; I agree, all the time everyone is asking &#8216;is there and Nazi element to the story&#8217; and &#8216;is Mad Max really suitable&#8217;, they are missing the point.<br />
The questions are &#8211; who is behind the whole story? And for what reason? And why at this very specific timing?<br />
I think Max will be able to put up a very strong defence in court,and he will be very convincing at the FIA meeting (which he called, remember?, Mad or not.<br />
It will have to be an equally strong, if not stronger person/consortium which will force his resignation, and if it isn&#8217;t Bernie/Flavio/Jean Todt/Mallya, who is it? Or do they not want his resignation after all &#8211; just his agreement to a little power sharing? And if it is them, won&#8217;t the other F1 team owners, let alone the other sports which the FIA pretends to run, suffer as a consequence?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks GF.  It has been decades since I was called naive.

As I said in my previous post I look forward to you presenting any evidence or facts to back up your position.  This situation reminds me of numerous online discussions in the aftermath of Schumacher parking on the racing line at Monaco.  Those of us who thought he was guilty were discussing when he braked, when he came off the brakes, steering inputs while the Scumi fans in unison recited &quot;but Michael wouldn&#039;t do that&quot;.  4 legs good, 2 legs bad.  No thought, no consideration simply reciting their mantra.

If I was running the NOTW right now and I had Nazi evidence I wouldn&#039;t publish it.  I would wait until I got to court so that it would have more impact on the jury.  Of course in the pice of video that has been released there is someone wearing a garment very similar to that worn by concentration camp prisoners.  That may be enough to at least infer Nazi symbolism.

If Max has actually issued a suit against NOTW the matter will be sub judice and they will not be allowed to publish.

Personally I think Max should have been removed from office years ago for incompetence.  The world sportscar championship doesn&#039;t exist.  The world rally championship has gone from ten to three works teams under his tenure.  F1 grids are shrinking while he has screwed up the points system, instituted tactical chess in place of racing and demostrated bias in favour of Ferrari and blatant hatred of Ron Dennis.  We have the half baked introduction of KERS next season which is his great new initiative.  McLaren introduced braking energy recovery about 5 years ago and Max banned it so his lauding of KERS seems fake to me.  He doesn&#039;t believe what he is saying otherwise he would not have imposed limits on ots efficiency.  It is simply the politically expedient thing to say. The man is not fit to be president.

He has put in place procedures that make it damn near impossible for any one to challenge for the presidency and has wiped FISA out of existence so that no-one can build a power base to challenge him.  He has behaved like a dictator in a banana republic.

Green Flag says that in company with others I am totally wrong about the Mosley saga.  TOTALLY WRONG.  So I must be wrong when I said there was absolutely no need to re-negotiate a 100 year contract after a few years.  I must be wrong when I said that Max was not the only person capable of negotiating the contract and that he had disqualified himself from negotiating the original contract.  etc etc

I have no doubt Green Flag will come back with more hot air and no factual evidence on any of the points he has made and no contradicting evidence of any of the points made by myself or others.  Simply a variation on the traditional 4 legs good 2 legs bad theme.  Max good everybody else on the face of the planet wrong, self interested, gullible, naive etc etc.  Prove me wrong and explain your point rather than just throwing around insults and hoping that anyone is naive or gullible enough to believe them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks GF.  It has been decades since I was called naive.</p>
<p>As I said in my previous post I look forward to you presenting any evidence or facts to back up your position.  This situation reminds me of numerous online discussions in the aftermath of Schumacher parking on the racing line at Monaco.  Those of us who thought he was guilty were discussing when he braked, when he came off the brakes, steering inputs while the Scumi fans in unison recited &#8220;but Michael wouldn&#8217;t do that&#8221;.  4 legs good, 2 legs bad.  No thought, no consideration simply reciting their mantra.</p>
<p>If I was running the NOTW right now and I had Nazi evidence I wouldn&#8217;t publish it.  I would wait until I got to court so that it would have more impact on the jury.  Of course in the pice of video that has been released there is someone wearing a garment very similar to that worn by concentration camp prisoners.  That may be enough to at least infer Nazi symbolism.</p>
<p>If Max has actually issued a suit against NOTW the matter will be sub judice and they will not be allowed to publish.</p>
<p>Personally I think Max should have been removed from office years ago for incompetence.  The world sportscar championship doesn&#8217;t exist.  The world rally championship has gone from ten to three works teams under his tenure.  F1 grids are shrinking while he has screwed up the points system, instituted tactical chess in place of racing and demostrated bias in favour of Ferrari and blatant hatred of Ron Dennis.  We have the half baked introduction of KERS next season which is his great new initiative.  McLaren introduced braking energy recovery about 5 years ago and Max banned it so his lauding of KERS seems fake to me.  He doesn&#8217;t believe what he is saying otherwise he would not have imposed limits on ots efficiency.  It is simply the politically expedient thing to say. The man is not fit to be president.</p>
<p>He has put in place procedures that make it damn near impossible for any one to challenge for the presidency and has wiped FISA out of existence so that no-one can build a power base to challenge him.  He has behaved like a dictator in a banana republic.</p>
<p>Green Flag says that in company with others I am totally wrong about the Mosley saga.  TOTALLY WRONG.  So I must be wrong when I said there was absolutely no need to re-negotiate a 100 year contract after a few years.  I must be wrong when I said that Max was not the only person capable of negotiating the contract and that he had disqualified himself from negotiating the original contract.  etc etc</p>
<p>I have no doubt Green Flag will come back with more hot air and no factual evidence on any of the points he has made and no contradicting evidence of any of the points made by myself or others.  Simply a variation on the traditional 4 legs good 2 legs bad theme.  Max good everybody else on the face of the planet wrong, self interested, gullible, naive etc etc.  Prove me wrong and explain your point rather than just throwing around insults and hoping that anyone is naive or gullible enough to believe them.</p>
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		<title>By: Spodo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green Flag, I have not said there was Nazism involved. I explicitly stated that there isn&#039;t yet &quot;enough evidence&quot; that proves the Nazi allegations, but by the same token, there isn&#039;t yet any evidence for you to claim &quot;there was nothing Nazi about it&quot;.  Does this make me &quot;totally biased&quot;?

You claim that I&#039;m &quot;ultimately wrong about the entire Mosley saga&quot;.  I presume you come to that conclusion after reading my posts - but what have I said that is &quot;wrong&quot;?  I haven&#039;t claimed there was Nazism involved.  I haven&#039;t claimed that he should be removed from office.  I haven&#039;t claimed that Max is an unfit president.  I suspect that the fact that my posts are not proclaiming that &#039;Max is great&#039; has led you to the conclusion that I must be biased against Max.

My two main claims in this thread have been: (1) Either Max is lying about his importance to the FIA, OR one person really is very important to the FIA (ie the office of FIA President is too powerful), which is a sad position for the organisation to be in; (2) It is possible that evidence of Nazi overtones exists.

You&#039;ve given no arguments for suggesting that I&#039;m wrong about (1).  Regarding (2), for you the fact that NotW haven&#039;t shown any real evidence of Nazi overtones is itself evidence that they don&#039;t have any.  I think it&#039;s possible that they do have evidence which they are withholding until nearer the Extraordinary Meeting.  This is how tabloids work.  Note that I am not saying &#039;certain&#039; or even &#039;probable&#039;; merely &#039;possible&#039;.

Meanwhile Max&#039;s denial is either true or false.  If false, he was involved in a Nazi-themed session.  In this case, public knowledge of his acts would not only result in a humilating exit from his FIA role, but also in widespread public revulsion.  In order to avoid this, he would have no choice but to deny the facts, and then to try to cast as much doubt on the facts as possible so that they could not be proven conclusively.  Whether innocent or guilty of Nazi fantasies, any human being who wants to avoid disgrace would probably react in the way Max is reacting now.  Therefore, based on Max&#039;s current behaviour, I cannot conclude whether he is innocent or guilty of Nazi- fantasising (which I realise would not be a crime, but I do feel would be enough to be removed from office for).

I may well be missing something huge, and I may well be naive and wrong without realising it.  If this is so, I would honestly appreciate being shown the light, Green Flag, instead of being on the receiving end of comments such as your previous one.  If I&#039;m wrong, I&#039;m wrong.  But instead of hysterically accusing me of being wrong, you&#039;d be more likely to get me to agree with you if you put forward a convincing and enlightening argument which I may have missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green Flag, I have not said there was Nazism involved. I explicitly stated that there isn&#8217;t yet &#8220;enough evidence&#8221; that proves the Nazi allegations, but by the same token, there isn&#8217;t yet any evidence for you to claim &#8220;there was nothing Nazi about it&#8221;.  Does this make me &#8220;totally biased&#8221;?</p>
<p>You claim that I&#8217;m &#8220;ultimately wrong about the entire Mosley saga&#8221;.  I presume you come to that conclusion after reading my posts &#8211; but what have I said that is &#8220;wrong&#8221;?  I haven&#8217;t claimed there was Nazism involved.  I haven&#8217;t claimed that he should be removed from office.  I haven&#8217;t claimed that Max is an unfit president.  I suspect that the fact that my posts are not proclaiming that &#8216;Max is great&#8217; has led you to the conclusion that I must be biased against Max.</p>
<p>My two main claims in this thread have been: (1) Either Max is lying about his importance to the FIA, OR one person really is very important to the FIA (ie the office of FIA President is too powerful), which is a sad position for the organisation to be in; (2) It is possible that evidence of Nazi overtones exists.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve given no arguments for suggesting that I&#8217;m wrong about (1).  Regarding (2), for you the fact that NotW haven&#8217;t shown any real evidence of Nazi overtones is itself evidence that they don&#8217;t have any.  I think it&#8217;s possible that they do have evidence which they are withholding until nearer the Extraordinary Meeting.  This is how tabloids work.  Note that I am not saying &#8216;certain&#8217; or even &#8216;probable&#8217;; merely &#8216;possible&#8217;.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Max&#8217;s denial is either true or false.  If false, he was involved in a Nazi-themed session.  In this case, public knowledge of his acts would not only result in a humilating exit from his FIA role, but also in widespread public revulsion.  In order to avoid this, he would have no choice but to deny the facts, and then to try to cast as much doubt on the facts as possible so that they could not be proven conclusively.  Whether innocent or guilty of Nazi fantasies, any human being who wants to avoid disgrace would probably react in the way Max is reacting now.  Therefore, based on Max&#8217;s current behaviour, I cannot conclude whether he is innocent or guilty of Nazi- fantasising (which I realise would not be a crime, but I do feel would be enough to be removed from office for).</p>
<p>I may well be missing something huge, and I may well be naive and wrong without realising it.  If this is so, I would honestly appreciate being shown the light, Green Flag, instead of being on the receiving end of comments such as your previous one.  If I&#8217;m wrong, I&#8217;m wrong.  But instead of hysterically accusing me of being wrong, you&#8217;d be more likely to get me to agree with you if you put forward a convincing and enlightening argument which I may have missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Flag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Flag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Steven Roy, theRoswellite, Michael K, Spodo (!?), et al, you&#039;re all naive, gullible, totally biased and ultimately wrong about the entire Mosley saga. You may continue to yelp and holler that I&#039;m wrong until you are all blue, but you&#039;ll still be wrong. Let the yelping (and hollering) begin!

PS: If the NOTW had any real evidence of Nazism they would have shown it by now; Max has outright denied a Nazi element and he would know whether the NOYW would be in a position contradict him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Steven Roy, theRoswellite, Michael K, Spodo (!?), et al, you&#8217;re all naive, gullible, totally biased and ultimately wrong about the entire Mosley saga. You may continue to yelp and holler that I&#8217;m wrong until you are all blue, but you&#8217;ll still be wrong. Let the yelping (and hollering) begin!</p>
<p>PS: If the NOTW had any real evidence of Nazism they would have shown it by now; Max has outright denied a Nazi element and he would know whether the NOYW would be in a position contradict him.</p>
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		<title>By: Fireblade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fireblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing about this blog that it does never hide the following fact:
This is an anti-Mad Max campaign...
The serious question is..who is behind the whole story?And for what reason?And why at this very specific timing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing about this blog that it does never hide the following fact:<br />
This is an anti-Mad Max campaign&#8230;<br />
The serious question is..who is behind the whole story?And for what reason?And why at this very specific timing?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, as Max and GF keep banging on about that there was no Nazi element in the whole thing it makes me wonder what their defence might be. I guess the defence will be that there were no clear signs that it really was a Nazi camp that was being portrayed, but merely a &quot;German-speaking domination scenario.&quot; Now they might claim that there were also other German speaking camps (like in the GDR), or that prisoners even before the 3rd Reich were generally treated like this. Or that German is a more commanding language and therefore better suited for these types of scenarios. 
This is probably all true, but please, where have we come to if this is supposed to be the reasoning that clears Max&#039;s name? And more importantly, who do they think they are kidding? And most importantly, how much would this discussion harm the FIA and F1?
So then Max would become known merely as the &quot;German speaking SM-Lord&quot; rather than the &quot;Nazi SM-Lord&quot;. How comforting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, as Max and GF keep banging on about that there was no Nazi element in the whole thing it makes me wonder what their defence might be. I guess the defence will be that there were no clear signs that it really was a Nazi camp that was being portrayed, but merely a &#8220;German-speaking domination scenario.&#8221; Now they might claim that there were also other German speaking camps (like in the GDR), or that prisoners even before the 3rd Reich were generally treated like this. Or that German is a more commanding language and therefore better suited for these types of scenarios.<br />
This is probably all true, but please, where have we come to if this is supposed to be the reasoning that clears Max&#8217;s name? And more importantly, who do they think they are kidding? And most importantly, how much would this discussion harm the FIA and F1?<br />
So then Max would become known merely as the &#8220;German speaking SM-Lord&#8221; rather than the &#8220;Nazi SM-Lord&#8221;. How comforting&#8230;</p>
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