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	<title>Comments on: What F1 can learn from NASCAR II</title>
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		<title>By: Alexandre Augusto Leite</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/05/22/what-f1-can-learn-from-nascar-ii/comment-page-3/#comment-296692</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandre Augusto Leite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olá pessoal da Formula 1. Meu nome é Alexandre Augusto Leite, tenho 37 anos. Eu gosto muito de assistir a formula 1. Eu sou o fã da Ferrari. O meu desejo que as Ferrari no ano que vem de 2010 competirão com os números 22 e 23. Com Fernando Alonso e Felipe Massa. Esse é meu desejo realizado Que a Ferrari competirão em 2010  
com o número 22 de Fernando Alonso e 23 de Felipe Massa. 

Alexandre Augusto Leite 
São Vicente (Brasil)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olá pessoal da Formula 1. Meu nome é Alexandre Augusto Leite, tenho 37 anos. Eu gosto muito de assistir a formula 1. Eu sou o fã da Ferrari. O meu desejo que as Ferrari no ano que vem de 2010 competirão com os números 22 e 23. Com Fernando Alonso e Felipe Massa. Esse é meu desejo realizado Que a Ferrari competirão em 2010<br />
com o número 22 de Fernando Alonso e 23 de Felipe Massa. </p>
<p>Alexandre Augusto Leite<br />
São Vicente (Brasil)</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haplo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s football. Only in the states you call it soccer, the rest of the world call it football I think. Likewise, the rest of the world call your sport American Football.

And it&#039;s very debatable that a bunch of guys in full plate metal armor (lol) are really taking any risk at all. Also considering that they have an entire team for each type of play... Full contact you say? Watch that mental guys doing Rugby. Now that&#039;s the only &quot;real&quot; form of football (tho, they don&#039;t use their feet ;))

I enjoy football the same as american football, that is, just the finals, and IF I manage to put myself on the lamentable situation where I&#039;m in a bar and everyone else is watching the game. That is so you realize I don&#039;t pretend to offend any sport at all. Same with nascar, I insist it wasn&#039;t meant as an offense. But certainly a sport where no one bashes (american football pun intended) at each other would be very boring indeed.

Oh, and thank you for your best wishes, that&#039;s very gentlemanly from you. Not like the american football guys at all. Best wishes to you too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s football. Only in the states you call it soccer, the rest of the world call it football I think. Likewise, the rest of the world call your sport American Football.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s very debatable that a bunch of guys in full plate metal armor (lol) are really taking any risk at all. Also considering that they have an entire team for each type of play&#8230; Full contact you say? Watch that mental guys doing Rugby. Now that&#8217;s the only &#8220;real&#8221; form of football (tho, they don&#8217;t use their feet <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>I enjoy football the same as american football, that is, just the finals, and IF I manage to put myself on the lamentable situation where I&#8217;m in a bar and everyone else is watching the game. That is so you realize I don&#8217;t pretend to offend any sport at all. Same with nascar, I insist it wasn&#8217;t meant as an offense. But certainly a sport where no one bashes (american football pun intended) at each other would be very boring indeed.</p>
<p>Oh, and thank you for your best wishes, that&#8217;s very gentlemanly from you. Not like the american football guys at all. Best wishes to you too <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halpo, I understand your point, but just understand that people who actually enjoy both F1 and NASCAR- and I know a solid handful of them- may take some offense with your remarks. It&#039;s interesting that you brought up the &quot;football aspect,&quot; because by that I assume you mean the game we here in the States call soccer. 

Personally, I like soccer about as much as I like NASCAR-not much. I could also easily say soccer is nothing more than a bunch of guys kicking a ball around, and that the only real form of &quot;football&quot; is the American-rules, full contact sport featuring 11 guys in pads and helmets slugging it out with a pigskin. However, I understand many other people are huge soccer fans- especially on this blog- and would never think of degrading such a sport in any way. Best wishes on your posting, and enjoy your F1 and football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halpo, I understand your point, but just understand that people who actually enjoy both F1 and NASCAR- and I know a solid handful of them- may take some offense with your remarks. It&#8217;s interesting that you brought up the &#8220;football aspect,&#8221; because by that I assume you mean the game we here in the States call soccer. </p>
<p>Personally, I like soccer about as much as I like NASCAR-not much. I could also easily say soccer is nothing more than a bunch of guys kicking a ball around, and that the only real form of &#8220;football&#8221; is the American-rules, full contact sport featuring 11 guys in pads and helmets slugging it out with a pigskin. However, I understand many other people are huge soccer fans- especially on this blog- and would never think of degrading such a sport in any way. Best wishes on your posting, and enjoy your F1 and football.</p>
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		<title>By: Number 38</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number 38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 15:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clipped from George K above, &quot;I am continually amazed at the level of brilliant and ignorant comments a simple topic like this can generate.&quot;

Ditto my friend, I&#039;m embarased how ignorant and immature some of my F1 friends can be. NASCAR and F1 are like Football and Baseball ....... entirely different games played with a ball. For a football fan to call a baseball fan &quot;stupid&quot; (and worse) only indicates what the football fan really is!  (and visa versa)

Good people have the ability to enjoy BOTH without critizing the other. Concerning the intent of the article........there is a LOT F1 could learn from NASCAR but I suspect Bernie is the chicane in the works.
He seems far too intent on making money through promotional fees and TV rights and hasn&#039;t put in enough (if any) effort in retail marketing. Have hope, someday Bernie and MadMax will be history ...................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clipped from George K above, &#8220;I am continually amazed at the level of brilliant and ignorant comments a simple topic like this can generate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ditto my friend, I&#8217;m embarased how ignorant and immature some of my F1 friends can be. NASCAR and F1 are like Football and Baseball &#8230;&#8230;. entirely different games played with a ball. For a football fan to call a baseball fan &#8220;stupid&#8221; (and worse) only indicates what the football fan really is!  (and visa versa)</p>
<p>Good people have the ability to enjoy BOTH without critizing the other. Concerning the intent of the article&#8230;&#8230;..there is a LOT F1 could learn from NASCAR but I suspect Bernie is the chicane in the works.<br />
He seems far too intent on making money through promotional fees and TV rights and hasn&#8217;t put in enough (if any) effort in retail marketing. Have hope, someday Bernie and MadMax will be history &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 11:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am continually amazed at the level of brilliant and ignorant comments a simple topic like this can generate. There are all forms of racing that have evolved from many historical origins and they are not to everyone&#039;s liking. I personally participated in 1/4 mile drag racing on our local streets as a twenty year old, but thought NHRA drag racing a waste of time-until I went to a race.

All racing seen through the lens of TV and heard through the voices of asinine analysts is diminished. See it live, and your perspective may change.

Well done Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am continually amazed at the level of brilliant and ignorant comments a simple topic like this can generate. There are all forms of racing that have evolved from many historical origins and they are not to everyone&#8217;s liking. I personally participated in 1/4 mile drag racing on our local streets as a twenty year old, but thought NHRA drag racing a waste of time-until I went to a race.</p>
<p>All racing seen through the lens of TV and heard through the voices of asinine analysts is diminished. See it live, and your perspective may change.</p>
<p>Well done Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: 4ever3</title>
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		<dc:creator>4ever3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 06:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it just seems largely random who wins&quot;

That is because the overall field is more competitive than a F1 field.

In any given NASCAR field there are at least 20-25 possible winners, while F1 only has about 4 (2 each from two teams - McClaren and Ferrari).

The &#039;randomness&#039; makes it exciting and less predictable.  Not very many cars win from the pole in NASCAR while in F1 it is usually the pole winner that wins the race, meaning the real race is on pole day and not on race day.

Now don&#039;t get me wrong, I like F1 but I think in recent years the fields have become less competitive and the excitment that F1 once generated in the days of Senna, Prost and the like,has been lost (at least to me anyway) because of the smaller fields and the dominance of one or two teams and unless there is a mechanical failure the winner is usually one of the cars starting in the front row - more than likely from the pole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it just seems largely random who wins&#8221;</p>
<p>That is because the overall field is more competitive than a F1 field.</p>
<p>In any given NASCAR field there are at least 20-25 possible winners, while F1 only has about 4 (2 each from two teams &#8211; McClaren and Ferrari).</p>
<p>The &#8216;randomness&#8217; makes it exciting and less predictable.  Not very many cars win from the pole in NASCAR while in F1 it is usually the pole winner that wins the race, meaning the real race is on pole day and not on race day.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like F1 but I think in recent years the fields have become less competitive and the excitment that F1 once generated in the days of Senna, Prost and the like,has been lost (at least to me anyway) because of the smaller fields and the dominance of one or two teams and unless there is a mechanical failure the winner is usually one of the cars starting in the front row &#8211; more than likely from the pole.</p>
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		<title>By: Gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernification, I think the drivers and many team officials wuld be all-in for the off-season races, but would the top brass of the F1 world go along with it? It would indeed help grow the sport in potential new markets, but with some team officials griping about the lenght of the season already, I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s as viabale of a concept as it was 20, 30 years ago. 

On the NASCAR exitement issue, I don&#039;t really enjoy the endless turning and passing either. I just find it interesting that nearly all of the F1 fans here in my area that I know are also devout NASCAR fans. Many of them seem to root for the powerhouse teams- Ferrari and then one or more of the Hendrick drivers in NASCAR- so perhaps there is some common trend in that mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernification, I think the drivers and many team officials wuld be all-in for the off-season races, but would the top brass of the F1 world go along with it? It would indeed help grow the sport in potential new markets, but with some team officials griping about the lenght of the season already, I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s as viabale of a concept as it was 20, 30 years ago. </p>
<p>On the NASCAR exitement issue, I don&#8217;t really enjoy the endless turning and passing either. I just find it interesting that nearly all of the F1 fans here in my area that I know are also devout NASCAR fans. Many of them seem to root for the powerhouse teams- Ferrari and then one or more of the Hendrick drivers in NASCAR- so perhaps there is some common trend in that mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haplo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brakius
But you also have to notice that F1 drivers are top athletes, hence, elite. They&#039;re clearly not your John Doe that drives a nascar around.

And if they can&#039;t drive several series now, as before, it has to be because the increasing complexity and demanding situations that a F1 race has.

Here we only get nascar advertising on cable, not on local tv (mexico).

@Steve K
Of course we&#039;re arrogant. We&#039;re F1 fans! But please don&#039;t take any ofence from us.

@the limit
Well, you can bet the response from that fan would be something like: YEEEHAAAW ;) 

@Gman
Please don&#039;t take it in the derogatory way, consider this: this is a sport, and passion has to be involved. You&#039;re going to tell me you never called names at your rival football team? It&#039;s the same thing. Alphonso, Don Pedro Montoya (and that would mostly be an offence to me, I&#039;m mexican), The German Cheating *******, and Nascrap.
I&#039;ll try to limit myself, but you also try not to be offended by something that is not meant as an offence to anyone.

@Keith
No! You have it all wrong! I&#039;m saying quite the opposite, I don&#039;t want F1 to become more like Nascar! All the contrary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brakius<br />
But you also have to notice that F1 drivers are top athletes, hence, elite. They&#8217;re clearly not your John Doe that drives a nascar around.</p>
<p>And if they can&#8217;t drive several series now, as before, it has to be because the increasing complexity and demanding situations that a F1 race has.</p>
<p>Here we only get nascar advertising on cable, not on local tv (mexico).</p>
<p>@Steve K<br />
Of course we&#8217;re arrogant. We&#8217;re F1 fans! But please don&#8217;t take any ofence from us.</p>
<p>@the limit<br />
Well, you can bet the response from that fan would be something like: YEEEHAAAW <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@Gman<br />
Please don&#8217;t take it in the derogatory way, consider this: this is a sport, and passion has to be involved. You&#8217;re going to tell me you never called names at your rival football team? It&#8217;s the same thing. Alphonso, Don Pedro Montoya (and that would mostly be an offence to me, I&#8217;m mexican), The German Cheating *******, and Nascrap.<br />
I&#8217;ll try to limit myself, but you also try not to be offended by something that is not meant as an offence to anyone.</p>
<p>@Keith<br />
No! You have it all wrong! I&#8217;m saying quite the opposite, I don&#8217;t want F1 to become more like Nascar! All the contrary!</p>
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		<title>By: bernification</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernification</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite the contrary, gman, I know in the past F1 drivers would drive F2, non-championship races, etc., and I would relish seeing more F1.
I just find going flat out, foot to the floor, turn left, maybe lift a little, flat out foot to the floor etc. really boring.
And it&#039;s not about the showbuisness either- I love supercross.
Racing in circles with everybody passing continually (too much), it&#039;s just a lottery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite the contrary, gman, I know in the past F1 drivers would drive F2, non-championship races, etc., and I would relish seeing more F1.<br />
I just find going flat out, foot to the floor, turn left, maybe lift a little, flat out foot to the floor etc. really boring.<br />
And it&#8217;s not about the showbuisness either- I love supercross.<br />
Racing in circles with everybody passing continually (too much), it&#8217;s just a lottery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody ever passes in F1.  The same drivers win EVERY race and the sport is boring.  This is why people in the US would rather watch CART racing then F1.  If I want to watch cars stroll aimlessly through a track I&#039;ll go watch a practice session.  Otherwise, I prefer to watch RACING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody ever passes in F1.  The same drivers win EVERY race and the sport is boring.  This is why people in the US would rather watch CART racing then F1.  If I want to watch cars stroll aimlessly through a track I&#8217;ll go watch a practice session.  Otherwise, I prefer to watch RACING.</p>
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