Engine rules and the F1 monopoly

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren-Mercedes, Istanbul, 2008, 470150

Over at F1 Insight Clive is concerned about possible future F1 engine regulations:

The FIA seem to want every engine involved to produce the same amount of power. Where is the logic in that unless what they really want is a spec formula?

There are rumours the FIA wants to extend its control over F1 engines to ensure they are all producing similar levels of power.

This is nonsense and completely the wrong direction for Formula 1. What’s more, the FIA have tried managing performance levels in series such as the World Touring Car Championship and made a total hash of it.

The WTCC example

Andy Priaulx, Nicola Larini, WTCC, Pau, 2008, 470313

In the World Touring Car Championship teams run racing cars based on road going models: BMW use their petrol 3 Series (rear wheel drive), Seat have a squad of diesel Leons (front wheel drive) and Chevrolet run petrol Lacettis (front wheel drive).

In an attempt to balance the performance levels of these cars, each with different configuration of front/rear wheel drive and petrol/diesel engines, the FIA can set maximum rpm levels, add or remove ballast from cars, force manufacturers to make aerodynamic changes and more.

As a result the teams are constantly at each other’s throats over who’s got an unfair performance advantage and adjustments are made to the cars almost ever race weekend. BMW got a weight break in time for the last round at Pau and, surprise surprise, won both rounds. But they’re still threatening to bring in a diesel version of their 3 Series because they think Seat (who filled the top six in Mexico) still have a performance advantage.

Whichever driver wins a race seems to have more to do with whether his team got a performance boost from the FIA before an event than how good they are. If the FIA can’t make performance parity work between three manufacturers in the WTCC how on earth can they expect it to work between twice as many, in a championship with vastly greater international recognition?

A solution: build more engines?

Scott Dixon, Helio Castroneves, Indy Car, Texas Motor Speedway, 470313

I think the FIA have gone down entirely the wrong avenue by trying to freeze engine development within F1. What they need to do is the exact opposite: not only free up engine development within F1, but harmonise engine rules across a greater number of series, creating a greater market for ultra high-performance racing engines.

For example, this weekend sees the Le Mans 24 Hours, where Audi and Peugeot will take each other on using cars powered by 5.5-litre diesel V12 engines. So why not allow F1 cars to use the same engines? And why not allow sports cars to use the same 2.4-litre petrol V8s as in F1 cars?

The newly re-unified Indy Car series is holding a meeting this month to discuss future engine rules and try to attract other manufacturers to the championship. Granted, this is not an FIA-run series, but why can’t they too use similar specifications of engine design to F1 cars?

Honda currently supply all the engines for this series – would it not make sense if they and, say, Toyota (who used to supply IRL engines) could use roughly the same specification of engines they currently use in F1 for Indy Racing? Would this not be to the ultimate benefit of motorsport?

This could allow manufacturers to be represented in multiple series, whether by themselves or customer teams, without having to run R&D budget for different sizes and specifications of engines.

Granted, you couldn’t just drop a V8 from a BMW F1.08 into the back of a Lola chassis and join the Le Mans Series – the engine would need some modifications for long-distance competition.

But I don’t think the biggest obstacle to this plan is technology. I think it comes down to the FIA wanting to promote Formula 1 above all other kinds of motor sport. One of the key complaints the European Union brought against the FIA in 1997 was that it suppressed competition to F1 from other series by, for example, not letting circuits the held F1 races hold other major championships.

Although the FIA was forced to change some of its practices (allowing, for example, the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve to hold a Champ Car race) I still think the FIA is deeply hostile to anything it perceives as competition to Formula 1.

But the control freakery of trying to force each F1 team to produce exactly the same amount of power is unrealistic and not a worthwhile idea for Formula 1 or the rest of motor racing.

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25 comments on Engine rules and the F1 monopoly

  1. sChUmAcHeRtHeGrEaTeStEvEr said on 13th June 2008, 12:45

    engines are 1 of the main reasons for the predictable races of the last couple of years. everybody is more or less the same so it means that its another possible advantage/disadvantage taken away from the driver.

    what we have at the moment is the cars about 90% dependant on aero efficency which then means most races are the near enought the same.

    from what i read on this site from articles by ketih and the comments is that formula 1 was better in the 1980’s when there was less rules. back then ferrari had the most powerful engine but it was so heavy it slowed the car down. things like that dont come into play anymore beause all that matters is how good your car is in a wind tunnel.

    formula 1 needs to go back to the basics that made it such a great sport in the 1st place

  2. ogami musashi said on 13th June 2008, 12:56

    IMHO both you keith and F1insight has it wrong.

    This measure on ECU is only viable for the 2009-2013 time frame where KERS is to be developped.

    The purpose is clearly to make the competition on the KERS system.

    As you may know the KERS system is a challenge for the teams as the weight may offset the advantage of the additional power.

    the limit on ECU is then only there to push teams towards the KERS systems.

    In 2013 the freeze on engines will be abolished, so the measure makes sense.

    The actual engines still cost a lot while the future ones will be clearly different.

    So the “spec series” fear is not to be seen here imho but rather into the standard aerodynamics that were planned for 2011.

    teams are clearly opposed to the spec series, and in those time of breakaway menace i don’t think we’ll see that soon;

  3. George said on 13th June 2008, 13:22

    I sometimes struggle to reconcile reality with myth. sChUmAcHeRtHeGrEaTeStEvEr is not the first person by any means to claim that F1 is an endless stream of predictable races. Was Montreal predictable? Was Monaco? Alright, they were held in ‘exceptional’ circumstances, but I don’t think there has been a dull race so far this season. Last season was pretty much a thriller from beginning to end. We’ve been very lucky in the last few years to see some close races, great overtaking manoeuvres and cars so close in performance that you could put a cigarette paper between them.

    Now, I’m not suggesting that F1 is without it’s problems or that we have the occasional race that is less thrilling than others – but that goes for every sport. You get dull football matches, dull tennis matches, etc. However, I do get a little tired of the constant misplaced rose-tinted nostalgia that harks back to the ‘good-old days’ when we had ‘real racing’.

    Look back to the 1980s and whilst there are many memorable moments and were many great races there were some real, long drawn out soporific processions. The lap-time differential between the front and back of the grid often covered only the first half-dozen cars in those days – the field spread was dramatic. The reality is that the racing wasn’t closer. The cars however, were amazing machines – Brundle’s piece in the Lotus 98T at the weekend brought that home to roost in a powerful way.

    The fact of the matter is that we were complaining that there wasn’t as much overtaking as there should be in the 1980s, and harked back to the 50s, 60s and 70s. Now we are still complaining and the 80s often becomes our mythical vision of F1’s ‘golden age’. I’m more inclined to agree with Ron Dennis’ belief, outlined in his speech to the Motorsport Business Forum in Bahrain, in which he notes that ‘people wax lyrical about the 1960s, about Wolfgang von Trips and Jim Clark and so on… was the racing really better then than it is today? I was there, and I can tell you that it was not. And, while we’re on the subject, it was a lot more dangerous, too. My first grand prix, the 1966 Mexican Grand Prix, was won by the team I was working for, Cooper-Maserati. Our winning driver, John Surtees, won from pole position. And was it great racing? Was it greater racing than racing today? Well, at the end of the 65-lap race, which took two hours and six minutes to complete, there was only one other car on the same lap as John Surtees. Was the 1966 Mexican Grand Prix an exception? No, it wasn’t. Most of the grand prix that constituted the 1966 Formula 1 season were like that.’ (http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/2008/04/02/ron-dennis-speech-for-the-motor-sport-business-forum-in-the-middle-east/)

    Mind you, I do think that the lack of innovation allowed in engine design is a great shame. I think the reintroduction of a small capacity turbo engine would be a nice idea, but another one that will never happen.

  4. @ogami – so between 2009 and 2013, the KERS engines will be developing the same power? Possibly with a ‘Boost’ button?
    Yes, this allows for KERS technology development, but it will rather limit the futherence of more economical engines, and KERS will take F1 further away from ordinary road cars too, which are mostly relying on ‘old’ technology.
    I know Max has started a drive for greener road cars, but car manufacturers have started that already!
    I agree with F1 Insight that the FIA should be looking at making racing engines applicable across many race series, especially since they want the manufacturers to cut costs.
    And I would certainly like to see more racing at supposedly ‘F1 only’ venues – to have tracks like Montreal and Hungaroring only raced on once a year is monstrosly appalling, and err, wouldn’t more races help keep their costs down?

  5. ogami musashi said on 13th June 2008, 13:42

    @DG: the actual engines bear nothing in common with current road car ones.

    The economical side is not what will be hampered by the ECU and what do you hear by “old” technology in KERS?

    I think there’s a lot of misinformation on that. I’m not a KERS (nor engine) expert but AFAIK, there’s no KERS with the storage/weight ratio in any road car.

    So KERS is definitely a possible new technology for road cars. Just imagine that if F1 KERS technology is transfered you could do for the same weight more storable energy, and on a road car i may represent a larg part of the power.

    Additionnaly, what’s the point of developing V8 that rev at 19k while in 2013 totally new engines will come.

    of course if the idea of leveling engine was on longer term, i would be total opposite, but we have to take the context, FIA and teams are pushing towards hybrid energies, and given the current sytem a team with a less powerful engine has almost no means to recover the deficit.

    So to me the measure makes sense; I would rather see the new engines in 2011 but teams seem to be for 2013 so…

  6. Sush said on 13th June 2008, 14:02

    KERS is a delayed marketing ploy.

    in 15 years time, the FIA will say they saved the world by forcing F1 teams to develope it.

  7. Scootin159 said on 13th June 2008, 14:39

    Biggest problem with F1 sharing engines with other series is that F1’s budget is a whole different ball game than any other series. I imagine you could supply engines to half the grid of the Indy 500 for the price of one F1 engine.

  8. Pingguest said on 13th June 2008, 15:45

    If Sportscar and Formula 1 want to be both innovative and cost efficient, they both should adopt a Group C-like fuel formula. This will make manufactures develop road relevant technologies and able to keep the costs per engine relatively low.

  9. George said on 13th June 2008, 15:54

    Pingguest – I couldn’t agree less! The fuel-consumption era of the mid- to late-80s is one to which I don’t think we want to return. Too many GPs in those days ended in farcical conditions as cars ground to a halt by the side of the circuit. You don’t need a formula based on fuel consumption to stimulate efficiency and innovation – if they banned refuelling it would be in the every teams best interest to improve fuel-efficiency on the basis that even with an unrestricted fuel load, the less you need the smaller your fuel tank and the lighter you can run.

  10. Pingguest said on 13th June 2008, 16:31

    I don’t see the problem, George. As long as a manufacture hasn’t produced an engine that’s efficient enough, the driver should try his very best to finish and find out the best possible strategy. In the 1980’s we saw drivers having various speeds during the race and it certainly didn’t bore me.

  11. The problem with the KERS proposals is that the amount of energy the cars can store and use is relatively small – and the use of the ‘boost’ button is limited to once per lap.

    This is more about the appearance of ‘being green’ and an attempt to get more overtaking.

    I think that freeing up some of the ECU restrictions so the teams can play with the engines firing order so that they can get a more driveable car when the rear wheels spin would lead to more exciting racing as opposed to anything else.

  12. Steve K said on 13th June 2008, 19:29

    In Indycar, in theory, the Engine, Chasis, and Tires are all the same. There are limited aerodynamic ways for a team to change the car (with little chasis adjustments). This creates more parity in the sport and allows for more top drivers, which Americans want to see. Certain teams such as Penske and Ganassi will still have an advantage because they spend more time and money in the wind tunnel.

    Honda having a monopoly and Firestone haveing a monopoly have been great things for the series. No unsafe tire wars, Honda hasnt had an engine failure in years. They have re-upt thier deal with IRL through 2011 I believe. A driver like Thomas Schekter can race a partial schedule and be successful.

    I percieve all of these things to be great while I could see how F1 fans would think differently. There is no Constructors Championship in Indycar, and if there was, the fans dont care about it. It is all about the driver and his or her skills. Using very similar equipment allows us to see who the most talented are.

  13. MrPippy said on 13th June 2008, 20:26

    Although I love the idea of the IRL and F1 being able to share engines, I don’t think it will happen. IRL’s current engine (there is only one) is a Honda 3.5L V8, normally aspirated. There is a wide perception that IndyCars should be turbos, and the complaints from former ChampCar teams (who had a turbo Cosworth) has only amplified it. Similarly, the outright costs for an F1 engine are undoubtedly higher than for the IndyV8 (Honda would know this first hand), and the last thing that IRL needs is a more expensive chassis+engine package.

  14. Oliver said on 13th June 2008, 20:59

    The best way to ensure engines have the same horsepower, is not to force manufacturers to modify their engines to come down to an equivalent level, but rather, the FIA should just go ahead and design a spec engine, then leave the manufacturers to replicate that design. It may sound far fetched but we are close to that, we already have that the bore/stroke of the engines should be almost equal to 1.

    Sad as it may sound, we should take consolation in the fact that Max cant live forever.

  15. I think the IRL comparison is accidentally bad.

    Indy motors are 1) leased, not owned by the teams and 2) sealed, so the teams may not alter them mechanically, or even repair them. If an Indy team breaks a motor, it is sent back to Honda Performance for repairs.

    Although IRL seem keen on getting more manufacturers involved in their sport so people don’t complain that it’s all Honda, Tony George is alergic to any rule change that would potentially cost teams more money, so he’s simply speaking with them to make a formula of similarly sealed engines to use for a few years until one of them becomes clearly dominant, and will coincide with the introduction of a new spec chassis.

    If there is a new player in IRL besides Honda, it will be General Motors through Chevrolet. There is also a possibility that Honda will drop out of the sport and be replaced by Chevy when their contract ends.

    Steve K is correct that the “Indy” sport hasn’t been thought of as an engineering championship since it became dominated by non-manufacturer based teams.

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