Comments on: Bourdais unhappy with grooved tyres

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By: Steve K

Steve K — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:57:35 +0000

Indycar wants Bourdais!! Can we have him back?

By: chunter

chunter — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:08:32 +0000

I think Antifia (Anti-FIA?) is saying that the Indy-CART schism hurt the technology of ChampCar quite a bit, and that the differences between the cars became a bit too great. I agree with that. The current Indy Dallara and the Elan/Panoz that Superleague Formula (did I get that name right) are about to inherit looks dated compared to F1 machines. That is why Bourdais struggles, it isn’t just the tires.

Will he adapt to life in F1? I think he already has, even if he doesn’t seem competitive.

By: Antifia

Antifia — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:04:19 +0000

Guys, I agree with most of your arguments – we diverge on the conclusion. First of all, I have to confess that I’ve seen very little of Mario Andretti’s career. I started watching F1 in 1978 (and I was seven bach then). In your opinion he seems to have been a great drives and I wont challenge that. But those were other times, and perhaps back then F1 and Champ car designs and technologies were more compatible, which could have made things easier for Champ series drivers to adapt to F1. Returning to the ’90s and further, I still think that Champ series drives don’t make good F1 contenders. Take Montoya, for example. In the U.S. he was head and shoulders above the rest, in F1 he was closely matched with Ralph and took a hell of a bitting from Kimi – so he went from dominant to something else, didn’t he? Turning to JV, well, he never impressed me as a F1 driver. In fact, when I tease Shumi fans I always remind them that he managed to lose to JV – a bit desingenuous, given the level of Ferrari that year, but it still irritates the crap out of them…hehehe.
Concerning Mansel vs Hill, even if you consider Hill a good driver (which I don’t, but I respect those who do), I believe most would agree that if you had put a top form Mansel and a top form Hill in the same team, Mansel would not have had much of a competition (pretty much like the Prost/Hill situation in 1993). So for Hill to get 1 min ahead in Japan-94, Mansel cannot have been in the top of his form. But that is exactly what he was, say, 18 months before – what changed? That is my point.

By: George

George — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:10:57 +0000

Antifia – are you now suggesting that Damon Hill was perhaps not a worth world champion?

Keith has already made the point that Mansell was adjusting (within a short window of time) to cars very different to the ones he had previously raced in F1, but added to that, Hill’s win at Suzuka in ’94 was one of THE outstanding wet weather wins.

By: motion

motion — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:40:31 +0000

Montoya was a great driver in both series whenever he was happy.

By: the limit

the limit — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:02:14 +0000

Antifia

You must remember that Nigel Mansell started his F1 career with most people turning their backs on him. The guy was mortgaged to the hilt, living from paycheck to paycheck. He ‘HAD’ to race and he ‘HAD’ to win, his hunger was massive for racing because it needed to be.
You only have to look at his record during the 1980′s and early 1990′s to see that. After winning the F1 crown in 1992, then the Indycar title a year later, times had changed.
No longer was Mansell with his financial back to the wall, but a wealthy man, a vindicated man. The ‘blockhead’ as Nelson Piquet called him had proven his distracters wrong, and as Keith pointed out, he did win a race in 1994, despite dodgy circumstances.

By: the limit

the limit — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:55:11 +0000

Villeneuve’s story always got to me. Winning the championship in 1997 for Williams, achieving something his late father never got to achieve or see in the flesh. A sad, sad story.
People often forget, that Jacques Villeneuve grew up around Formula One to a large extent, and lost his father to it. He deserved to be champion.
As for the rest of his career, I always felt that Villeneuve towards the end had given up. He had proved himself, he had been the champion and had done it in style.
To the point in hand, ofcourse Champ Car was helpfull for drivers in Formula One, and Mario Andretti is the all time classic example of that.
For me, Toro Rosso need to keep Bourdais onboard. The mixture of experience, and Vettel’s youthfull ambition, adds a nice balance to the team.
If the grooved rubber is really the reason for Bourdais’ struggling, then 2009 will be much anticipated by me. He is a great driver, and anybody who has won four straight championships deserved the utmost respect.

By: chunter

chunter — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:40:32 +0000

I think in the argument we’re forgetting the chief differences between Bourdais’ era of ChampCar and Formula 1-

1. True slicks (coming soon)
2. Turbochargers (probably gone forever)
3. Ground effect (not going to happen)
4. In his dominant years, spec Lola and Elan/Panoz chassis and Cosworth motors

The difference between the teams gets him worse than any other technical difference between ChampCar and F1.

Mario Andretti’s CART had differing chassis and motors. No doubting from me though, that he is the greatest driver of all time.

By: Keith Collantine

Keith Collantine — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:20:25 +0000

I still don’t agree and I don’t think you can convince me that Mario Andretti, Jacques Villeneuve and Juan Pablo Montoya weren’t good racing drivers. I think the small number of F1 races Mansell did in 1994 and how much the cars had changed had more to do with how he fared. Remember he was on pole at Adelaide as well.