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	<title>Comments on: 2008 half-term driver rankings part 3</title>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-6/#comment-225865</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kubica as #1 is not justified, he only won 1 GP, yes he made less mistakes. He was not seriously challenged like Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen. Raikkonen as #2 is also not justified the guy did not even score for 4 races in a raw. Hamilton has it all the speed, the skill, the fight spirit. Unlike other dull drivers. Yes he make mistakes, but shows that he is really fighting. do not forget Monza when he fought his way through from 15th on the grid to finish 7th.

so my ranking

1-Hamilton.
2-Massa.
3-Alonso.
4-Kubica.
5-Raikkonen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kubica as #1 is not justified, he only won 1 GP, yes he made less mistakes. He was not seriously challenged like Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen. Raikkonen as #2 is also not justified the guy did not even score for 4 races in a raw. Hamilton has it all the speed, the skill, the fight spirit. Unlike other dull drivers. Yes he make mistakes, but shows that he is really fighting. do not forget Monza when he fought his way through from 15th on the grid to finish 7th.</p>
<p>so my ranking</p>
<p>1-Hamilton.<br />
2-Massa.<br />
3-Alonso.<br />
4-Kubica.<br />
5-Raikkonen.</p>
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		<title>By: HKL</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-6/#comment-179422</link>
		<dc:creator>HKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that Kimi&#039;s performance defies easy categorisation. I feel it&#039;s a pretty complex situation, in part in the eye of the beholder: 1st, when he donned red Kimi went from brilliant underdog (in a car sometimes as brittle as porcelain) to the man to beat overnight. The former casting - and car - seems to have suited him better, and was a more entertaining spectacle to behold. 2nd, perception was he got a vastly superior car in the Ferrari, but I believe this is an exaggeration: The Ferrari has not been an unequivocally dominant machine since 2004, and til Kimi, with difficulty, wrenched back the WDC to the red team in 2007 they had been beaten by Renault and McLaren.

Yet Kimi himself is of course also part of the issue - his trouble sometimes keeping up with Massa the primary symptom he is not quite on top form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that Kimi&#8217;s performance defies easy categorisation. I feel it&#8217;s a pretty complex situation, in part in the eye of the beholder: 1st, when he donned red Kimi went from brilliant underdog (in a car sometimes as brittle as porcelain) to the man to beat overnight. The former casting &#8211; and car &#8211; seems to have suited him better, and was a more entertaining spectacle to behold. 2nd, perception was he got a vastly superior car in the Ferrari, but I believe this is an exaggeration: The Ferrari has not been an unequivocally dominant machine since 2004, and til Kimi, with difficulty, wrenched back the WDC to the red team in 2007 they had been beaten by Renault and McLaren.</p>
<p>Yet Kimi himself is of course also part of the issue &#8211; his trouble sometimes keeping up with Massa the primary symptom he is not quite on top form.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-6/#comment-179178</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet:

Massa also got beaten by Heidfeld in Sauber AND Fisichella in Sauber. He only beat Villeneuve by 2 points...the only teammate he has beaten. A washed up villeneauve.
Also, he lost his ride in 2003 to be a test driver for Ferrari.

So, beaten 4 out of 5 years and he is in a Ferrari?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet:</p>
<p>Massa also got beaten by Heidfeld in Sauber AND Fisichella in Sauber. He only beat Villeneuve by 2 points&#8230;the only teammate he has beaten. A washed up villeneauve.<br />
Also, he lost his ride in 2003 to be a test driver for Ferrari.</p>
<p>So, beaten 4 out of 5 years and he is in a Ferrari?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-6/#comment-178571</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have got to get some facts into perspective here. Saying some drivers go from last position to a podium place is fair, but using that as an indicator of driving ability is pointless. There are lots of reasons why this is the case. 

A driver has a greater, chance when in a competitive car, of making it to the front if he finds himself towards the back end during the early portions of a race but except for events like sudden rain or accidents and safety cars, its unlikely any driver can recover to a higher finishing position, if he finds himself at the rear end during the middle portions of a race.
Also, because of the frequent changes of the regulations, its no longer sensible to compare last year&#039;s racing with this present season. Last year all drivers qualified with the fuel they raced with. but this year, only the top 10 driver do so, thus a driver who for some reason after qualifying in the top 10 finds himself towards the back at the starts would almost never make it too far forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have got to get some facts into perspective here. Saying some drivers go from last position to a podium place is fair, but using that as an indicator of driving ability is pointless. There are lots of reasons why this is the case. </p>
<p>A driver has a greater, chance when in a competitive car, of making it to the front if he finds himself towards the back end during the early portions of a race but except for events like sudden rain or accidents and safety cars, its unlikely any driver can recover to a higher finishing position, if he finds himself at the rear end during the middle portions of a race.<br />
Also, because of the frequent changes of the regulations, its no longer sensible to compare last year&#8217;s racing with this present season. Last year all drivers qualified with the fuel they raced with. but this year, only the top 10 driver do so, thus a driver who for some reason after qualifying in the top 10 finds himself towards the back at the starts would almost never make it too far forward.</p>
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		<title>By: teamorders</title>
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		<dc:creator>teamorders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rating the cars; I&#039;d say Ferrari #1, McLaren #2, BMW #3.

Given RK is only 2 points behind, in a car that is clearly not within 2 points of the other 2, he gets my #1.

Lewis #2.

Kimi &amp; Massa =#3.

easy..... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rating the cars; I&#8217;d say Ferrari #1, McLaren #2, BMW #3.</p>
<p>Given RK is only 2 points behind, in a car that is clearly not within 2 points of the other 2, he gets my #1.</p>
<p>Lewis #2.</p>
<p>Kimi &amp; Massa =#3.</p>
<p>easy&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Internet</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-5/#comment-178265</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@xxxyyy: If you read my first post, I&#039;ve put Kubica infront of everyone. And I&#039;ve admitted Lewis has made mistakes and deserved the penalties. I don&#039;t see why you are so offended. I will just you are from Poland and that any mention of Kubica making a mistake is sin. Perhaps you should have a closer look at yourself before accusing me of worshipping Hamilton as my God.

Second of all, while Kimi&#039;s car was unreliable, it was also in a class of it&#039;s own when it did finish a race.  That&#039;s why he was able to be so much faster than anyone in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@xxxyyy: If you read my first post, I&#8217;ve put Kubica infront of everyone. And I&#8217;ve admitted Lewis has made mistakes and deserved the penalties. I don&#8217;t see why you are so offended. I will just you are from Poland and that any mention of Kubica making a mistake is sin. Perhaps you should have a closer look at yourself before accusing me of worshipping Hamilton as my God.</p>
<p>Second of all, while Kimi&#8217;s car was unreliable, it was also in a class of it&#8217;s own when it did finish a race.  That&#8217;s why he was able to be so much faster than anyone in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-5/#comment-178250</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xxxyyy - You do realise this article is about 2008 not 2007 right?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I remember Kimi going from 20th to 2nd in some races&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t remember Raikkonen starting 20th and finishing second in an F1 race. He&#039;s done 22nd to third and 17th to first though, both very impressive.

I don&#039;t understand any of the stuff about the steering wheel. Perhaps see &lt;a href=&quot;/2007/10/25/hamilton-did-not-admit-causing-car-failure-in-brazil/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post about Interlagos &#039;07 though&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it Lewis who destroyed the most cars in testing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d like to see the stats on that if you have them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xxxyyy &#8211; You do realise this article is about 2008 not 2007 right?</p>
<blockquote><p>I remember Kimi going from 20th to 2nd in some races</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember Raikkonen starting 20th and finishing second in an F1 race. He&#8217;s done 22nd to third and 17th to first though, both very impressive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand any of the stuff about the steering wheel. Perhaps see <a href="/2007/10/25/hamilton-did-not-admit-causing-car-failure-in-brazil/" rel="nofollow">this post about Interlagos &#8217;07 though</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it Lewis who destroyed the most cars in testing?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the stats on that if you have them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: xxxyyy</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-5/#comment-178224</link>
		<dc:creator>xxxyyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet ----&gt;

Sorry to say that but you really seem not to understand F1 nor know much about F1. Looking only on numbers is good for TV infos but not for discussing which driver is better, especially on &quot;F1fanatic&quot; named site.

You say that Kimi started carrier in Mclaren and so do Lewis - and you compare their achievements on that field. I think everyone knows here how huge difference is between this two periods and car&#039;s performance so I will not explain it here - but put Lewis in early XX century Mclaren and he wouldn&#039;t do nothing special - it would be gr8 for him if he could maintain let say 70% of Kimis pace, couse I remember Kimi going from 20th to 2nd in some races...

You said that Lewis wouldn&#039;t have made mistake on Silverstone in Kubica&#039;s place - you figured it out after seeing him destroing his race with his steering wheel buttons (twice ;)), crashing Kimi on pitlane or maybe after not even making through the pit lane entrance last year??? And correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but isn&#039;t it Lewis who destroyed the most cars in testing???
It&#039;s really shameles that people like you underastimate such bralliant drivers like Kubica and their achievements. 

And I&#039;m wondering how you can compare consistency and reliability of Kubica with a driver who has (or will have) special designed steering wheel on which buttons are hidden from the driver in a certain way????/ Yes, yes, your GOD LEWIS  is going to have such nice gadget ;) That&#039;s something special about Lewis I must admit ;)


Ok, let&#039;s stop irony, hope you don&#039;t feel offended in any way couse it wasn&#039;y my goal. Conclusion is - Kubica has done the best so far this season and anyone claiming differently is clearly blind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet &#8212;-&gt;</p>
<p>Sorry to say that but you really seem not to understand F1 nor know much about F1. Looking only on numbers is good for TV infos but not for discussing which driver is better, especially on &#8220;F1fanatic&#8221; named site.</p>
<p>You say that Kimi started carrier in Mclaren and so do Lewis &#8211; and you compare their achievements on that field. I think everyone knows here how huge difference is between this two periods and car&#8217;s performance so I will not explain it here &#8211; but put Lewis in early XX century Mclaren and he wouldn&#8217;t do nothing special &#8211; it would be gr8 for him if he could maintain let say 70% of Kimis pace, couse I remember Kimi going from 20th to 2nd in some races&#8230;</p>
<p>You said that Lewis wouldn&#8217;t have made mistake on Silverstone in Kubica&#8217;s place &#8211; you figured it out after seeing him destroing his race with his steering wheel buttons (twice <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), crashing Kimi on pitlane or maybe after not even making through the pit lane entrance last year??? And correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t it Lewis who destroyed the most cars in testing???<br />
It&#8217;s really shameles that people like you underastimate such bralliant drivers like Kubica and their achievements. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m wondering how you can compare consistency and reliability of Kubica with a driver who has (or will have) special designed steering wheel on which buttons are hidden from the driver in a certain way????/ Yes, yes, your GOD LEWIS  is going to have such nice gadget <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  That&#8217;s something special about Lewis I must admit <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ok, let&#8217;s stop irony, hope you don&#8217;t feel offended in any way couse it wasn&#8217;y my goal. Conclusion is &#8211; Kubica has done the best so far this season and anyone claiming differently is clearly blind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/07/11/2008-half-term-driver-rankings-part-3/comment-page-5/#comment-178147</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with Keith&#039;s top 3 order, but it&#039;s just great that we have 4 drivers again fighting at the top. If only we could put Massa in there as well, but four into three won&#039;t go!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with Keith&#8217;s top 3 order, but it&#8217;s just great that we have 4 drivers again fighting at the top. If only we could put Massa in there as well, but four into three won&#8217;t go!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>70 comments... oops sorry 71.  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>70 comments&#8230; oops sorry 71.  Wow.</p>
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