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> <channel><title>Comments on: Why have the teams formed their own group and what does it mean for F1?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:33:58 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: michael counsell</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183988</link> <dc:creator>michael counsell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183988</guid> <description>Seriously though it makes sense.  Previously whenever teams get together to discuss things with the FIA and its various branches they all come with different intentions and end up getting nowhere.  Maybe now issues between each other can be sorted out at their leisure allowng meetings with the FIA to be more streamlined and constructive.I guess the reason everyone paints Max Mosely as some kind of dictator is that generally he is the only one who speaks to the media and he is the President.  Ultimately others may make decisions but as President naturally he receives the criticism or the credit.  Just like Adrian Newey may be credited for designing mnay great cars even if he didn&#039;t design and develop each component.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously though it makes sense.  Previously whenever teams get together to discuss things with the FIA and its various branches they all come with different intentions and end up getting nowhere.  Maybe now issues between each other can be sorted out at their leisure allowng meetings with the FIA to be more streamlined and constructive.</p><p>I guess the reason everyone paints Max Mosely as some kind of dictator is that generally he is the only one who speaks to the media and he is the President.  Ultimately others may make decisions but as President naturally he receives the criticism or the credit.  Just like Adrian Newey may be credited for designing mnay great cars even if he didn&#8217;t design and develop each component.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Polak</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183977</link> <dc:creator>Polak</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183977</guid> <description>FOCA is very similar to the polish word foka which means seal as in the animal. This word is also a slang term similar to chick or pussy when referring to women.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOCA is very similar to the polish word foka which means seal as in the animal. This word is also a slang term similar to chick or pussy when referring to women.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183898</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183898</guid> <description>Perhaps they&#039;ll call it F1TA? FOCA was originally F1CA until someone apparently realised it looked too similar to something rude in Spanish...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they&#8217;ll call it F1TA? FOCA was originally F1CA until someone apparently realised it looked too similar to something rude in Spanish&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: michael counsell</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183896</link> <dc:creator>michael counsell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183896</guid> <description>FOTA already stands for FOrmula Three Association.  I guess FTA stood for too many things already.  Perhaps they need to call this FOOTA.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOTA already stands for FOrmula Three Association.  I guess FTA stood for too many things already.  Perhaps they need to call this FOOTA.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Noel</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183869</link> <dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:57:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183869</guid> <description>Alianora,
Do you have proof of this, or is it speculation?
I&#039;m not disagreeing with you, I&#039;m just curious.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alianora,</p><p>Do you have proof of this, or is it speculation?</p><p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you, I&#8217;m just curious.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alianora La Canta</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183864</link> <dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:41:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183864</guid> <description>F1&#039;s decisions are meant to be made by committee, but Max Mosley has a tendency to either force the committees to go his way using outlandish threats or other dodgy argumentative devices, or else ignoring what they say.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F1&#8217;s decisions are meant to be made by committee, but Max Mosley has a tendency to either force the committees to go his way using outlandish threats or other dodgy argumentative devices, or else ignoring what they say.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: M Smith</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183838</link> <dc:creator>M Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:11:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183838</guid> <description>I was slightly skeptical about the new FOTA because I only really read the headlines, but just having all the teams in the association inc. Ferrari (which has splintered off a few times in the past) this is a force to be reckoned with.Mosley may have succeeded in weakening the Drivers Association, but if all the teams speak together with one voice, they will be listened to.I agree with Noel though, we always paint Mosley as this evil dictator (I will believe otherwise when he quits next year tbh.) but surely other top people in the FIA are to blame for many of the stupid rules and events that occurred.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was slightly skeptical about the new FOTA because I only really read the headlines, but just having all the teams in the association inc. Ferrari (which has splintered off a few times in the past) this is a force to be reckoned with.</p><p>Mosley may have succeeded in weakening the Drivers Association, but if all the teams speak together with one voice, they will be listened to.</p><p>I agree with Noel though, we always paint Mosley as this evil dictator (I will believe otherwise when he quits next year tbh.) but surely other top people in the FIA are to blame for many of the stupid rules and events that occurred.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kester</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183834</link> <dc:creator>Kester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:49:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183834</guid> <description>The only thing I hope for in all of this is that they don&#039;t constantly bombard the drivers regarding this.They&#039;re racers not polititions, they could car less about the politics, as long as they get to turn up and race in a great car every couple of weeks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I hope for in all of this is that they don&#8217;t constantly bombard the drivers regarding this.</p><p>They&#8217;re racers not polititions, they could car less about the politics, as long as they get to turn up and race in a great car every couple of weeks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Noel</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183832</link> <dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:47:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183832</guid> <description>Just playing Devil&#039;s Advocate here, but aren&#039;t the FIA&#039;s major policy decisions made by a committie and not just by one man?
We (as in the general F1 community) tend to paint Max as the evil puppetmaster. But does all the blame lie with him as an individual or a group of people at the top of the Association?
No opinion offered, I&#039;m just wondering what your thoughts are :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just playing Devil&#8217;s Advocate here, but aren&#8217;t the FIA&#8217;s major policy decisions made by a committie and not just by one man?</p><p>We (as in the general F1 community) tend to paint Max as the evil puppetmaster. But does all the blame lie with him as an individual or a group of people at the top of the Association?</p><p>No opinion offered, I&#8217;m just wondering what your thoughts are <img
src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert McKay</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183828</link> <dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:27:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183828</guid> <description>&quot;Here the teams agreed to form their own representative group called the Formula One Teams’ Association. The name has a clear echo of FOCA, the Formula One Constructors’ Association, which clashed famously with the governing body in the 1980s.&quot;Coincidence or statement of intent? Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the meeting when that name was mooted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here the teams agreed to form their own representative group called the Formula One Teams’ Association. The name has a clear echo of FOCA, the Formula One Constructors’ Association, which clashed famously with the governing body in the 1980s.&#8221;</p><p>Coincidence or statement of intent? Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the meeting when that name was mooted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: milos</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183814</link> <dc:creator>milos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:47:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183814</guid> <description>what i find the most significant part of this development is the role Ferrari are taking. They were the outcasts and now the meeting took place in Maranello, teams actually agreed to form a body and they chose Montezemolo to represent them ... I were Mosley I would take this very seriously</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i find the most significant part of this development is the role Ferrari are taking. They were the outcasts and now the meeting took place in Maranello, teams actually agreed to form a body and they chose Montezemolo to represent them &#8230; I were Mosley I would take this very seriously</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chunter</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183792</link> <dc:creator>chunter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183792</guid> <description>Great piece, it tells the part of the story the headline doesn&#039;t.It also tells me that I think the teams realize that the balance of powers among them, that is, the number of influential people in charge, has shrunken rather badly since then although it doesn&#039;t quite show on the grid.  It seems they don&#039;t like the shrinking competition any more than we do, and I&#039;m sure most of us couldn&#039;t be happier to know this.FIA want an engine redesign, not just as an impromptu tactic to assert power, but because they want to make sure the similar redesign program that IRL are undertaking cannot pretend to be a trump against the sport of F1.  The advantage to having fewer arguing (because talking isn&#039;t something they do well) heads in F1 is that it will be easier for the teams to influence F1&#039;s 2010-and-beyond design, instead of leaving the decision to a man with nationalist ties and kinky fantasies.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, it tells the part of the story the headline doesn&#8217;t.</p><p>It also tells me that I think the teams realize that the balance of powers among them, that is, the number of influential people in charge, has shrunken rather badly since then although it doesn&#8217;t quite show on the grid.  It seems they don&#8217;t like the shrinking competition any more than we do, and I&#8217;m sure most of us couldn&#8217;t be happier to know this.</p><p>FIA want an engine redesign, not just as an impromptu tactic to assert power, but because they want to make sure the similar redesign program that IRL are undertaking cannot pretend to be a trump against the sport of F1.  The advantage to having fewer arguing (because talking isn&#8217;t something they do well) heads in F1 is that it will be easier for the teams to influence F1&#8217;s 2010-and-beyond design, instead of leaving the decision to a man with nationalist ties and kinky fantasies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gman</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/01/why-have-the-teams-formed-their-own-group-and-what-does-it-mean-for-f1/comment-page-1/#comment-183784</link> <dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=7891#comment-183784</guid> <description>While I don&#039;t know nearly as much about F1 politics as you guys, it seemed to me that some big developments were coming along at the time of the British GP. Bernie was talking about a new Concorde Agreement to the press....just when that meeting in his motorhome was going on.The curious thing to me is that Bernie and Max were apparently ready to bury the hatchet and move on, with the joint press release about moving the British GP to Donnington as proof of renewed cooperation between the two. Now, however, Bernie is apparently seeking to get the teams under his wing, and the teams seem eager to have some sort of protection from Max, even with his promise to step down later on.It&#039;s a bit outside of the lines of this post, but the reports I&#039;ve been reading about the new assosiation have painted it as being dedicated to voicing the team&#039;s ideas and cocnerns over the future of F1. If that is accurate, I have been hoping that some teams would bring up and support a return to the U.S. in the near future. With Bernie having a prominent role in the group, however, I don&#039;t know how realistic that could be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t know nearly as much about F1 politics as you guys, it seemed to me that some big developments were coming along at the time of the British GP. Bernie was talking about a new Concorde Agreement to the press&#8230;.just when that meeting in his motorhome was going on.</p><p>The curious thing to me is that Bernie and Max were apparently ready to bury the hatchet and move on, with the joint press release about moving the British GP to Donnington as proof of renewed cooperation between the two. Now, however, Bernie is apparently seeking to get the teams under his wing, and the teams seem eager to have some sort of protection from Max, even with his promise to step down later on.</p><p>It&#8217;s a bit outside of the lines of this post, but the reports I&#8217;ve been reading about the new assosiation have painted it as being dedicated to voicing the team&#8217;s ideas and cocnerns over the future of F1. If that is accurate, I have been hoping that some teams would bring up and support a return to the U.S. in the near future. With Bernie having a prominent role in the group, however, I don&#8217;t know how realistic that could be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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