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		<title>By: Sush</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-3/#comment-185682</link>
		<dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indeed, i&#039;ll go investegate, surely there is something on the internet !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indeed, i&#8217;ll go investegate, surely there is something on the internet !</p>
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		<title>By: Polak</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-3/#comment-185436</link>
		<dc:creator>Polak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sush, in that case I&#039;m afraid you will have a hard time getting an answer. You are looking for secrets hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sush, in that case I&#8217;m afraid you will have a hard time getting an answer. You are looking for secrets hehe</p>
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		<title>By: Sush</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-3/#comment-185400</link>
		<dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polak, while I thank you for the reply, i already know that... i&#039;m not actually as stupid as I seem.

what I would like to know is, the teams with the problems, 
do their fuels reach flashpoint quicker? do those cars generate more heat? is the biofuel mixture aiding the process? also would this have happened 10 years ago before  rory byrne introduced exhausts above the engine as apposed to in the diffuser like years gone by?.

i say i&#039;m not stupid but I ask alot of questions to a fuel expect would be childs play, lol, so i am stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polak, while I thank you for the reply, i already know that&#8230; i&#8217;m not actually as stupid as I seem.</p>
<p>what I would like to know is, the teams with the problems,<br />
do their fuels reach flashpoint quicker? do those cars generate more heat? is the biofuel mixture aiding the process? also would this have happened 10 years ago before  rory byrne introduced exhausts above the engine as apposed to in the diffuser like years gone by?.</p>
<p>i say i&#8217;m not stupid but I ask alot of questions to a fuel expect would be childs play, lol, so i am stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-fueling should be banned as it stops cars trying to overtake on the track.  Re-designing cars to have bigger fuel taks is simple we used to have them before pointless pit stops were introduced.  Max wants to cut downforce well guess what happens to downforce if you stick a bigger fuel tank in the middle of the car.

I would dispute the assumption that a smaller tank is necessarily more fuel efficient.  If both cars are driven the same way that is the case but that isn&#039;t what happens.  Drivers push much harder because they know they have to build a gap before the pit stops.  If you ban re-fueling and ban tyre stops drivers have to preserve their tyres so don&#039;t burn as much fuel.

I want F1 races to be sorted on the track by the drivers not by a pit crew or by someone like Ross Brawn operating a driver by remote control.

Gilles Villeneuve&#039;s legendary win at Jarama in 1981 is revered because he kept 4 much faster cars behind him for the whole race and gave us a facinating afternoon we still think of 27 years later.  Had there been tyres and fuel stops he would have been fifth at best after the first stop and would have been lucky to be in the to ten at the end.

I believe the only way a driver should gain a place is by taking it from the driver in front by better driving(or mechanical faults etc).  I don&#039;t elieve that a driver should ever lose a place to a driver who is racing on another piece of tarmac due to some clever strategy.  At Imola one year Schumacher went from 12th to 2nd and overtook one car.  That is not how F1 should be.  F1 should be about two drivers disputing the same piece of tarmac like Villeneuve and Jones did.  We have great cars and great drivers now.  Lets have them settle things on the track not in the pits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-fueling should be banned as it stops cars trying to overtake on the track.  Re-designing cars to have bigger fuel taks is simple we used to have them before pointless pit stops were introduced.  Max wants to cut downforce well guess what happens to downforce if you stick a bigger fuel tank in the middle of the car.</p>
<p>I would dispute the assumption that a smaller tank is necessarily more fuel efficient.  If both cars are driven the same way that is the case but that isn&#8217;t what happens.  Drivers push much harder because they know they have to build a gap before the pit stops.  If you ban re-fueling and ban tyre stops drivers have to preserve their tyres so don&#8217;t burn as much fuel.</p>
<p>I want F1 races to be sorted on the track by the drivers not by a pit crew or by someone like Ross Brawn operating a driver by remote control.</p>
<p>Gilles Villeneuve&#8217;s legendary win at Jarama in 1981 is revered because he kept 4 much faster cars behind him for the whole race and gave us a facinating afternoon we still think of 27 years later.  Had there been tyres and fuel stops he would have been fifth at best after the first stop and would have been lucky to be in the to ten at the end.</p>
<p>I believe the only way a driver should gain a place is by taking it from the driver in front by better driving(or mechanical faults etc).  I don&#8217;t elieve that a driver should ever lose a place to a driver who is racing on another piece of tarmac due to some clever strategy.  At Imola one year Schumacher went from 12th to 2nd and overtook one car.  That is not how F1 should be.  F1 should be about two drivers disputing the same piece of tarmac like Villeneuve and Jones did.  We have great cars and great drivers now.  Lets have them settle things on the track not in the pits.</p>
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		<title>By: Polak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sush: I would expect the teams to use fuel that has a high flash point allowing for higher cylinder pressure and temperatures. 

A fuel with a low flashpoint would be unstable and could ignite before the desired ignition point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sush: I would expect the teams to use fuel that has a high flash point allowing for higher cylinder pressure and temperatures. </p>
<p>A fuel with a low flashpoint would be unstable and could ignite before the desired ignition point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sush</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-2/#comment-185232</link>
		<dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just had an epiphany, which is probably way off base, but hey i shall share because i care x.

at what point does the fuel used reach flashpoint?, and does the 5% biofuel make it EVEN MORE combustible?, also the 1% that they oil companies can change... does that increase the above as well!?

also, the fuel goes into the F1 cars pretty much right next to the vented exhaust system, the hottest part of the car.

So my point is, do certain teams use additives that make the fuel reach flashpoint at a lower temperature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just had an epiphany, which is probably way off base, but hey i shall share because i care x.</p>
<p>at what point does the fuel used reach flashpoint?, and does the 5% biofuel make it EVEN MORE combustible?, also the 1% that they oil companies can change&#8230; does that increase the above as well!?</p>
<p>also, the fuel goes into the F1 cars pretty much right next to the vented exhaust system, the hottest part of the car.</p>
<p>So my point is, do certain teams use additives that make the fuel reach flashpoint at a lower temperature?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil B</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-2/#comment-185229</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qualifying with race fuel is, since the demise of &#039;fuel burn&#039;, the most ridiculous aspect of F1.

I actually like knock-out qualifying but the whole idea of building the tension through the session is hampered for me by the fact that they can frequently go faster in Q2 than Q3.  What were they thinking when they brought that in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qualifying with race fuel is, since the demise of &#8216;fuel burn&#8217;, the most ridiculous aspect of F1.</p>
<p>I actually like knock-out qualifying but the whole idea of building the tension through the session is hampered for me by the fact that they can frequently go faster in Q2 than Q3.  What were they thinking when they brought that in?</p>
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		<title>By: Kester</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-2/#comment-185227</link>
		<dc:creator>Kester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly what we need is to remove that crap where anyone qualifies on race fuel.

There should be at max 4 laps of fuel in a car when it qualifies. That way we&#039;d see real fuel stratagies again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly what we need is to remove that crap where anyone qualifies on race fuel.</p>
<p>There should be at max 4 laps of fuel in a car when it qualifies. That way we&#8217;d see real fuel stratagies again.</p>
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		<title>By: aja</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/03/refuelling-rig-fires-and-failures-hit-race/comment-page-2/#comment-185174</link>
		<dc:creator>aja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuel Stops are all part of the strategy i love in F1, cars blazing down pit lane, what burns my but is the &#039;Safety Car&#039; bs! keep the slower billboards off the track! OK max 3 laps, once the commentators start grumbling and complaining about the need and or amount of laps SC pulls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuel Stops are all part of the strategy i love in F1, cars blazing down pit lane, what burns my but is the &#8216;Safety Car&#8217; bs! keep the slower billboards off the track! OK max 3 laps, once the commentators start grumbling and complaining about the need and or amount of laps SC pulls.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re talking about real-world applications...the average person doesn&#039;t need to fill a car tank in 8 seconds flat. They need a car that does 30% more miles to the gallon.

Anyway, it doesn&#039;t make the racing any more interesting. Maybe 10 years ago, when genuine different strategies were at play, but &quot;the top 10 pitting a bit early, one or two laps apart, and the bottom 10 pitting later&quot; isn&#039;t strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re talking about real-world applications&#8230;the average person doesn&#8217;t need to fill a car tank in 8 seconds flat. They need a car that does 30% more miles to the gallon.</p>
<p>Anyway, it doesn&#8217;t make the racing any more interesting. Maybe 10 years ago, when genuine different strategies were at play, but &#8220;the top 10 pitting a bit early, one or two laps apart, and the bottom 10 pitting later&#8221; isn&#8217;t strategy.</p>
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