Comments on: Heikki Kovalainen: the driver debates http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:31:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Areez http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-217563 Areez Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:41:22 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-217563 to amy it will probably be a while before someone can break the lap-records of F1 cars with V10s and traction control...do you even watch F1 or are you just here because you're just mad...maam please stop... ...on to the topic of the article, after watching Heikki's start today in Singapore, I'm just not convinced of his consistency... to amy

it will probably be a while before someone can break the lap-records of F1 cars with V10s and traction control…do you even watch F1 or are you just here because you’re just mad…maam please stop…

…on to the topic of the article, after watching Heikki’s start today in Singapore, I’m just not convinced of his consistency…

]]> By: Steven Roy http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-203034 Steven Roy Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:49:13 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-203034 I think Kovalainen is a much better driver than we have seen so far but not as good as Hamilton. My guess is he will spend two or three seasons at McLaren, learn everything he can and go challenge Lewis in another car. There is one reason Rosberg is not at McLaren. His father told him not to do it. Keke Rosberg used to run a karting team where Nico and Lewis were team mates and Lewis beat him hands down. If Nico couldn't cope with him in a team run by his father there is not a whole lot of sense taking him on in F1 this early in his career. Why ruin his reputation when he can go to other teams with easier team mates and maybe find a slight car advantage to challenge for a championship. There are quite a few drivers who could win championships given the right car and the right team mate and it is massively difficult to pick those that will succeed. Hamilton at McLaren looks like a safe bet to win one at some time. But in the late 80s early 90s if you had told anyone you thought Damon Hill had a championship in him they would have thought you were mad. In reality it was only because Schumacher was not penalised for taking him out in 94 that he didn't win two. I think Kovalainen is a much better driver than we have seen so far but not as good as Hamilton. My guess is he will spend two or three seasons at McLaren, learn everything he can and go challenge Lewis in another car.

There is one reason Rosberg is not at McLaren. His father told him not to do it. Keke Rosberg used to run a karting team where Nico and Lewis were team mates and Lewis beat him hands down. If Nico couldn’t cope with him in a team run by his father there is not a whole lot of sense taking him on in F1 this early in his career. Why ruin his reputation when he can go to other teams with easier team mates and maybe find a slight car advantage to challenge for a championship. There are quite a few drivers who could win championships given the right car and the right team mate and it is massively difficult to pick those that will succeed. Hamilton at McLaren looks like a safe bet to win one at some time. But in the late 80s early 90s if you had told anyone you thought Damon Hill had a championship in him they would have thought you were mad. In reality it was only because Schumacher was not penalised for taking him out in 94 that he didn’t win two.

]]> By: Antifia http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-202506 Antifia Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:05:53 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-202506 The best driver one can compare Kovi with is G. Berger. It is not so much that he is a bad driver as it is an enormous bad luck to be paired with someone much better than he is. Besides looking inadequate, it is killing his self-confidence. In time: Webber suffers from a severe case of foot-in-mouth disease (I love that one - just read it in another blog). Since it leaves him with a single foot to operate the peddals, we will never know whether he would have been any good in case he had both feet on the ground. The best driver one can compare Kovi with is G. Berger. It is not so much that he is a bad driver as it is an enormous bad luck to be paired with someone much better than he is. Besides looking inadequate, it is killing his self-confidence.
In time: Webber suffers from a severe case of foot-in-mouth disease (I love that one – just read it in another blog). Since it leaves him with a single foot to operate the peddals, we will never know whether he would have been any good in case he had both feet on the ground.

]]> By: Gman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-202004 Gman Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:36:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-202004 Paige, just a constructive tip- be careful using Wikipedia as a reliable source for any type of discussion, as most anyone can access the site and make changes to entries. Have you heard this same type of info about McLaren looking at Vettel fromm any other reliable sources of F1 journalism? On that note, I know McLaren was looking for a driver of German nationality to replace Alonso last season, in part to keep Mercedes happy- perhaps this contributed to the SV talk. Relating this to Heikki, I think it's very funny that so many people try to link Rosberg with McLaren- has Nico shown anyone else here anyhting that would suggest McLaren would be any better off with him than they are with Heikki now? Paige, just a constructive tip- be careful using Wikipedia as a reliable source for any type of discussion, as most anyone can access the site and make changes to entries. Have you heard this same type of info about McLaren looking at Vettel fromm any other reliable sources of F1 journalism?

On that note, I know McLaren was looking for a driver of German nationality to replace Alonso last season, in part to keep Mercedes happy- perhaps this contributed to the SV talk. Relating this to Heikki, I think it’s very funny that so many people try to link Rosberg with McLaren- has Nico shown anyone else here anyhting that would suggest McLaren would be any better off with him than they are with Heikki now?

]]> By: Gman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-201999 Gman Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:27:20 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201999 Heikki has some real skills and is capeable of winning races on pure pace, and he has had some bad luck this season. However, at the moment, I don't see him as a true championship contender. He's a very nice guy and good-natured, but I don't see him beating Hamilton on a consistent basis anytime soon. I think down the line someday, he can emerge as a title contender, but it will most likley need to come with a different team and not McLaren. Heikki has some real skills and is capeable of winning races on pure pace, and he has had some bad luck this season. However, at the moment, I don’t see him as a true championship contender. He’s a very nice guy and good-natured, but I don’t see him beating Hamilton on a consistent basis anytime soon. I think down the line someday, he can emerge as a title contender, but it will most likley need to come with a different team and not McLaren.

]]> By: Dorian http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-201297 Dorian Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:10:50 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201297 I think Kovi has a lot of potential and time will tell as to how much of that potential he'll be able to extract to his advantage. Most impressive that I've seen was his blistering qualifying pace at Silverstone. Just a shame that eh wasn't able to translate that pace into victory. The only thing that I can see as his 'possible' downfall is the fact that he seems like such a nice guy. All the champions of late have had a certain level of ruthlessness / arrogance which has aided them in the quest for the title. Maybe that will grow on Kovi.....but if it doesn't.....he may have to work on that. I think Kovi has a lot of potential and time will tell as to how much of that potential he’ll be able to extract to his advantage.

Most impressive that I’ve seen was his blistering qualifying pace at Silverstone. Just a shame that eh wasn’t able to translate that pace into victory.

The only thing that I can see as his ‘possible’ downfall is the fact that he seems like such a nice guy. All the champions of late have had a certain level of ruthlessness / arrogance which has aided them in the quest for the title. Maybe that will grow on Kovi…..but if it doesn’t…..he may have to work on that.

]]> By: The Man http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-201282 The Man Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:50:22 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201282 Once again the stupidity continues in the pursuit to throw mud at Hamilton. This blog is about Heikki and whether He can cut it despite despite whatever obstacles in his way. Amy How many records did the Lord Schumacher break in his first 2 years of racing. Does the concept of time and proving yourself not exist in your stratosphere. Focus on the issue people FOCUS... Once again the stupidity continues in the pursuit to throw mud at Hamilton. This blog is about Heikki and whether He can cut it despite despite whatever obstacles in his way.

Amy

How many records did the Lord Schumacher break in his first 2 years of racing. Does the concept of time and proving yourself not exist in your stratosphere.

Focus on the issue people FOCUS…

]]> By: amy http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-3/#comment-201210 amy Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:24:16 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201210 Paige, If Hamilton is the best driver ever, like Vertigo stated, then how many championships has he won? How many races has he won compared to the true greats? Where's his record breakers? Lap records? Schumacher retired 2 years ago and still holds many lap records. Oh and one more question, if hamilton is the best, then why does he seem to destroy his tryes, so much in fact that act turkey he had to pit 3 times, and why all the pit lane incidents? Paige,
If Hamilton is the best driver ever, like Vertigo stated, then how many championships has he won? How many races has he won compared to the true greats? Where’s his record breakers? Lap records? Schumacher retired 2 years ago and still holds many lap records. Oh and one more question, if hamilton is the best, then why does he seem to destroy his tryes, so much in fact that act turkey he had to pit 3 times, and why all the pit lane incidents?

]]> By: Jean http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-2/#comment-201168 Jean Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:07:25 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201168 Kovalainen is full of talent , but at the same time he is a "Mr. Nice Guy" , nothing wrong as I'm also one of those sort of people , but I can't think of an F1 world champion who was also a Mr. Nice Guy , so he will always come close , but never win , especially as long as he is Lewis' team mate , who just has the edge on him. Kovalainen is full of talent , but at the same time he is a “Mr. Nice Guy” , nothing wrong as I’m also one of those sort of people , but I can’t think of an F1 world champion who was also a Mr. Nice Guy , so he will always come close , but never win , especially as long as he is Lewis’ team mate , who just has the edge on him.

]]> By: Paige http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/08/30/heikki-kovalainen-the-driver-debates/comment-page-2/#comment-201123 Paige Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:12:59 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=8880#comment-201123 sumedh, That's ridiculous. I participated in a constructive argument the whole time until you called me out for something for which I did not deserve to be called out. I've been very focused on Kovalainen the whole time and have put forth the most forceful argument in his favor throughout this discussion. The reason I came at you with a swear is because I don't like being personally accosted when I don't deserve to be. Sush, I'm a guy. amy, How can you say that someone "knows nothing" just because they think a particular driver you don't like is the best out there? There's plenty of room to intelligently argue that that particular driver is currently the best driver in F1. Whether or not he's the best ever is a tougher argument, but it's an argument that can be made intelligently. sumedh,

That’s ridiculous. I participated in a constructive argument the whole time until you called me out for something for which I did not deserve to be called out. I’ve been very focused on Kovalainen the whole time and have put forth the most forceful argument in his favor throughout this discussion. The reason I came at you with a swear is because I don’t like being personally accosted when I don’t deserve to be.

Sush,

I’m a guy.

amy,

How can you say that someone “knows nothing” just because they think a particular driver you don’t like is the best out there? There’s plenty of room to intelligently argue that that particular driver is currently the best driver in F1. Whether or not he’s the best ever is a tougher argument, but it’s an argument that can be made intelligently.

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