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	<title>Comments on: Lewis Hamilton is moral victor in Spa thriller (2008 Belgian Grand Prix review)</title>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/07/lewis-hamilton-is-moral-victor-in-spa-thriller-2008-belgian-grand-prix-review/comment-page-1/#comment-669315</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, I think the damage done to the spetacle, handing victory to someone who didn’t deserve it at all, while taking it away from someone who drove brilliantly, is evident…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, I think the damage done to the spetacle, handing victory to someone who didn’t deserve it at all, while taking it away from someone who drove brilliantly, is evident…</p></blockquote>
<p>Done</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/07/lewis-hamilton-is-moral-victor-in-spa-thriller-2008-belgian-grand-prix-review/comment-page-1/#comment-669314</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, I think the damage done to the spetacle, handing victory to someone who didn’t deserve it at all, while taking it away from someone who drove brilliantly, is evident…

Testing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, I think the damage done to the spetacle, handing victory to someone who didn’t deserve it at all, while taking it away from someone who drove brilliantly, is evident…</p>
<p>Testing</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jack 25</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/07/lewis-hamilton-is-moral-victor-in-spa-thriller-2008-belgian-grand-prix-review/comment-page-6/#comment-213349</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack 25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is rather amazing as to what everyone has to say, fair is fair, you ferrari fans out there it is pure hypocritical to say he got an advantage. Hamilton never passed Kimi, at the next turn they both run  in the back of a backmarker and Hamilton run off track, so where is the advantage.This is just Racism.That is the worlds problem right now, and it is like a cancer.If you are a real sport fan no  matter what everyone anyone will chase the fairness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is rather amazing as to what everyone has to say, fair is fair, you ferrari fans out there it is pure hypocritical to say he got an advantage. Hamilton never passed Kimi, at the next turn they both run  in the back of a backmarker and Hamilton run off track, so where is the advantage.This is just Racism.That is the worlds problem right now, and it is like a cancer.If you are a real sport fan no  matter what everyone anyone will chase the fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: Sri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would like to add to the previous by saying, that may be media fully understands. Readership/ Viewership is what it is all about, i guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to add to the previous by saying, that may be media fully understands. Readership/ Viewership is what it is all about, i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Sri</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/07/lewis-hamilton-is-moral-victor-in-spa-thriller-2008-belgian-grand-prix-review/comment-page-6/#comment-211398</link>
		<dc:creator>Sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Keith
I am arguing, that there consequences, to everything. One could have been that Ham might have taken the lead. The other is, where he cut the chicane, unable to pass... quite deliberate at cutting the chicane and hence was handed out the penalty. I never said that he shouldn&#039;t have had tried. Had he only put some, heck, any effort into it, he&#039;d have taken the corner alright. Albeit, he&#039;d been a lot slower, but yes, he could have made it. He chose to do what was in his best interests, stewards didn&#039;t think that it was fair. For it is not only about Ham&#039;s best interest. It&#039;s a sport. You have some rules and they must be adhered to. Yes, i agree that strange things happen from time to time. However, one may not cry foul every-time one&#039;s favourite driver gets nailed.

Oh, there&#039;s a precedent to his prove his QUSTIONABLE MOTIVE(now am going underground, don&#039;t fancy Macca/ Ham fans issuing a hit on me), from France, that is. Hence, the penalty under the rule that he got. I think this is a first. I think it is entirely fair. Or we&#039;d have drivers routinely cutting corners and that i do not like.

Another interesting thing about Ham. He never acknowledges whenever he comes off a luckier person and we have a few instances from a year and half. However, if he has someone stepping on his toe... that&#039;s a different story. We have a press release with the whole British media toeing his line. What in the name of heavens is that about??? NO DISRESPECT MEANT TO YOU KEITH, NONE WHAT SO EVER(you&#039;re much more objective than many people i&#039;ve read)... I&#039;m just saying that he gets the media in, &quot;look at poor darling Ham&quot; mode! I&#039;m just saying he&#039;s smart and media better watch out, before they buy anything coming from him. He has his own reasons/ agenda to do what he does. Drivers are groomed to be that selfish(at least on track, when it comes to work), media should remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Keith<br />
I am arguing, that there consequences, to everything. One could have been that Ham might have taken the lead. The other is, where he cut the chicane, unable to pass&#8230; quite deliberate at cutting the chicane and hence was handed out the penalty. I never said that he shouldn&#8217;t have had tried. Had he only put some, heck, any effort into it, he&#8217;d have taken the corner alright. Albeit, he&#8217;d been a lot slower, but yes, he could have made it. He chose to do what was in his best interests, stewards didn&#8217;t think that it was fair. For it is not only about Ham&#8217;s best interest. It&#8217;s a sport. You have some rules and they must be adhered to. Yes, i agree that strange things happen from time to time. However, one may not cry foul every-time one&#8217;s favourite driver gets nailed.</p>
<p>Oh, there&#8217;s a precedent to his prove his QUSTIONABLE MOTIVE(now am going underground, don&#8217;t fancy Macca/ Ham fans issuing a hit on me), from France, that is. Hence, the penalty under the rule that he got. I think this is a first. I think it is entirely fair. Or we&#8217;d have drivers routinely cutting corners and that i do not like.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing about Ham. He never acknowledges whenever he comes off a luckier person and we have a few instances from a year and half. However, if he has someone stepping on his toe&#8230; that&#8217;s a different story. We have a press release with the whole British media toeing his line. What in the name of heavens is that about??? NO DISRESPECT MEANT TO YOU KEITH, NONE WHAT SO EVER(you&#8217;re much more objective than many people i&#8217;ve read)&#8230; I&#8217;m just saying that he gets the media in, &#8220;look at poor darling Ham&#8221; mode! I&#8217;m just saying he&#8217;s smart and media better watch out, before they buy anything coming from him. He has his own reasons/ agenda to do what he does. Drivers are groomed to be that selfish(at least on track, when it comes to work), media should remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: Harkirat</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/07/lewis-hamilton-is-moral-victor-in-spa-thriller-2008-belgian-grand-prix-review/comment-page-6/#comment-210677</link>
		<dc:creator>Harkirat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Keith... you are quoting Pat Symonds... I&#039;ll quote 
Sebastien B, Nico, Jarno, and Giancarlo... please read through this article, and maybe you&#039;ll realise that the argument, as I pointed out earlier, should have been about how harsh is that penalty.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70473

For the record I agree, he cut the chicane because he was forced off the track, but I guess the rules state that the driver may not cut a chicane to gain an advantage, which Lewis did, and had he not blundered in France similarly, maybe his penalty would have been a Cash penalty as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Keith&#8230; you are quoting Pat Symonds&#8230; I&#8217;ll quote<br />
Sebastien B, Nico, Jarno, and Giancarlo&#8230; please read through this article, and maybe you&#8217;ll realise that the argument, as I pointed out earlier, should have been about how harsh is that penalty.<br />
<a href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70473" rel="nofollow">http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70473</a></p>
<p>For the record I agree, he cut the chicane because he was forced off the track, but I guess the rules state that the driver may not cut a chicane to gain an advantage, which Lewis did, and had he not blundered in France similarly, maybe his penalty would have been a Cash penalty as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harkirat - I always strive for objectivity. After the Magny-Cours incident I pointed out that Hamilton was in the wrong for not yielding the place back to Vettel:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/06/22/video-hamilton-under-pressure-after-error/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Video: Pressure on Lewis Hamilton after error in French Grand Prix&lt;/a&gt;

But I am firmly of the opinion that the Spa penalty is wrong. Hamilton cut the chicane - because he had no option other than to go across it - and yielded back his advantage to Raikkonen. As Pat Symonds has now said, this verdict will discourage people from racing each other.

Sri seems to be arguing that Hamilton shouldn&#039;t have tried to pass Raikkonen at the chicane, which seems to prove Symonds&#039; point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harkirat &#8211; I always strive for objectivity. After the Magny-Cours incident I pointed out that Hamilton was in the wrong for not yielding the place back to Vettel:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/06/22/video-hamilton-under-pressure-after-error/" rel="nofollow">Video: Pressure on Lewis Hamilton after error in French Grand Prix</a></p>
<p>But I am firmly of the opinion that the Spa penalty is wrong. Hamilton cut the chicane &#8211; because he had no option other than to go across it &#8211; and yielded back his advantage to Raikkonen. As Pat Symonds has now said, this verdict will discourage people from racing each other.</p>
<p>Sri seems to be arguing that Hamilton shouldn&#8217;t have tried to pass Raikkonen at the chicane, which seems to prove Symonds&#8217; point.</p>
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		<title>By: hakeem</title>
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		<dc:creator>hakeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear that is so true!! massa was knocking kubica off the apex of those corners and vice versa. No action was taken!, no penalties. Everyone agreed it was a fantastic battle on the track. So why does it matter now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear that is so true!! massa was knocking kubica off the apex of those corners and vice versa. No action was taken!, no penalties. Everyone agreed it was a fantastic battle on the track. So why does it matter now?</p>
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		<title>By: Harkirat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harkirat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Keith- Keith please look at it objectively, forget that it is Lewis and forget that it was a McLaren, and think of this... A certain driver has already been reprimanded and penalised for cutting corners/chicanes to gain track advantage, now the same driver repeats the same move once again, only this time he decides to overtake another in the same controversial manner, only to temporarily relinquish the position, and all this while he is maintaining the momentum he built as a result of cutting that chicane, and then uses that momentum to overtake the driver at the next corner. C&#039;mon Keith just answer this, isn&#039;t all of this uproar simply because Lewis was not at the receiving end of someone else cutting a corner to gain an advantage on him?

@Sri dude... with petitions being signed and everything else that&#039;s happening, I think we should just keep our peace. I really do not expect people here to understand the reason for the penalty. In my opinion the debate should have been whether the penalty was too harsh? In my opinion, giving him a penalty on starting grid in the next race would have been a kiss on the wrist after slapping it. The only way Lewis will learn that he cannot win races by cutting Chicanes/Corners is when he gets a penalty like the one he got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Keith- Keith please look at it objectively, forget that it is Lewis and forget that it was a McLaren, and think of this&#8230; A certain driver has already been reprimanded and penalised for cutting corners/chicanes to gain track advantage, now the same driver repeats the same move once again, only this time he decides to overtake another in the same controversial manner, only to temporarily relinquish the position, and all this while he is maintaining the momentum he built as a result of cutting that chicane, and then uses that momentum to overtake the driver at the next corner. C&#8217;mon Keith just answer this, isn&#8217;t all of this uproar simply because Lewis was not at the receiving end of someone else cutting a corner to gain an advantage on him?</p>
<p>@Sri dude&#8230; with petitions being signed and everything else that&#8217;s happening, I think we should just keep our peace. I really do not expect people here to understand the reason for the penalty. In my opinion the debate should have been whether the penalty was too harsh? In my opinion, giving him a penalty on starting grid in the next race would have been a kiss on the wrist after slapping it. The only way Lewis will learn that he cannot win races by cutting Chicanes/Corners is when he gets a penalty like the one he got.</p>
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		<title>By: Sri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Keith

Well, it&#039;s wet and raining and a chicane without traction control on dry tyres is what we have. I think that was a dangerous combination anyways. Well it was 3 laps or bust. Can i blame Ham for trying? No. But do i think, he should bear the consequences of a move coming unstuck. Yes! Cause and effect. It comes into play here. Ham braked late trying to overtake Kimi. Kimi, who WAS on the inside line for the bus stop chicane. Ham did put himself, where he didn&#039;t need to be. On the outside but to brake sharply and lose some serious track time, as a consequence. Ham could have tried a passing move after La-source or after Eau-rouge. So in a way, yes Ham did choose for himself this predicament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Keith</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s wet and raining and a chicane without traction control on dry tyres is what we have. I think that was a dangerous combination anyways. Well it was 3 laps or bust. Can i blame Ham for trying? No. But do i think, he should bear the consequences of a move coming unstuck. Yes! Cause and effect. It comes into play here. Ham braked late trying to overtake Kimi. Kimi, who WAS on the inside line for the bus stop chicane. Ham did put himself, where he didn&#8217;t need to be. On the outside but to brake sharply and lose some serious track time, as a consequence. Ham could have tried a passing move after La-source or after Eau-rouge. So in a way, yes Ham did choose for himself this predicament.</p>
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