Comments on: Oops. Did we curse Toyota?

By: Obster

Obster — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:27:57 +0000

The Toyota-Renault-Red Bull battle is the best in F1 between teams this season-has been since Trulli finished up the order in France.
There is no telling how this one will turn out-but it keeps you really busy during a race keeping track of 6 cars.
Great fun.

By: Alianora La Canta

Alianora La Canta — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:12:31 +0000

I’m not sure Force India have the latest Ferrari update now either – they’re still behind Toro Rosso and Ferrari in the speed traps, and are quite often beaten by non-Ferrari-engined teams.

By: Lustigson

Lustigson — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:14:37 +0000

@ Sush
> as for Ferrari, historically they always sold
> last years engines to customers, used and lacking
> in power for the new year.
IIRC, both Toro Rosso and Force India/Spyker, plus Red Bull beforehand, have had the Ferrari 056 engine. Maybe they didn’t have the most recent update, until recently, though.

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:05:54 +0000

Works Ferrari engines and an Adrian Newey chassis? No wonder Toro Rosso are suddenly looking good…

By: Sush

Sush — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:18:14 +0000

as for Ferrari, historically they always sold last years engines to customers, used and lacking in power for the new year.

going forward it would make sense for them to sell their “works” powerplant to teams such as Torro Rosso and ForceIndia half way through the season, to give competitors a huge Sutil and Vettel shaped spanner into their forecast of points and places.

By: Sush

Sush — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:15:27 +0000

“Renault and Toyota have 1 P2 each – Piquet in Germany (thanks to Glock’s crash, ironically)” I just HAA’d out loud.

right so, what about Force India, one would assume they are using customer Ferrari engines, right? instead of works?

By: Jean

Jean — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:51:56 +0000

RBR fastest in testing at Jerez this weeks . VETTEL at the wheel , here’s the order : 1. S. Vettel – RBR- 1:18.001 2. N. Heidfeld – BMW- 1:18.1673. L. di Grassi – Renault- 1:18.999 (+ 0.998) 4. P. de la Rosa – McLaren MP4-23 1:19.281 (+ 1.280) 5. A. Wurz – Honda- 1:19.499 (+ 1.498)T. Sato – STR- 1:19.574 (+ 1.573) 7. K. Kobayashi – Toyota- 1:19.863 (+ 1.862)8. K. Nakajima – Williams FW30 – 1:21.892 (+ 3.891). Webber and Coulthard we know are slower than Vettel in the STR. I know testing does not always tell everything , and Williams were testing with new aero – 2009 spec rear wing – but the fact Vettel is first tells something , my point being with his skill and new found confidence the STR should end up ahead.

By: Journeyer

Journeyer — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:51:50 +0000

‘you mention that Trulli’s 3rd spot would put Toyota ahead. what about Piquet’s second spot? wouldn’t it put Renault ahead in that sense or do they need an extra podium to match Toyota in that area?’

Renault and Toyota have 1 P2 each – Piquet in Germany (thanks to Glock’s crash, ironically), then Glock in Hungary.

By: DG

DG — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:45:33 +0000

lugiston – oops, forgot Williams, sorry Mr Frank, sir…
I was speaking sort of figuratively, as I know the Prodrive problems, and I was wondering if that has put off any other potential teams wanting to try having ‘Customer’ engines. That and the lack of support for the ailing SuperAguri, if you remember them…
BMW have stated they are happy to supply other teams too, as far as I recall….

By: Ron

Ron — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:24:34 +0000

oops sorry, Deliciously exciting, and then, Or instead of ow.