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	<title>Comments on: Lewis Hamilton&#8217;s appeal fails and Felipe Massa keeps Belgian Grand Prix win</title>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217441</link>
		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And HA HA to both of you, your both older than me :~)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And HA HA to both of you, your both older than me :~)</p>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217440</link>
		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AussieLeb

Jaguar (and possible AM too I think) are now owned by TaTa, an indian company.
They&#039;re the ones who are building the $2000 mini car that was in the news a few months ago.

@antonyob

Calm down a bit mate, Aussie was just replying to my post.
I don&#039;t want to get a rant of my own but please try to look at his comments with a smile rather than a grimmace.

We&#039;re all friends on here but sometimes it&#039;s easy to get carried away when your typing, especially on a topic as heated as this one has been.

No-one means any harm and we&#039;ll all enjoy this site a lot more if we could laugh at others comments rather than getting upset about them.

AussieLeb &amp; myself very obviously disagree over this one but we both see it&#039;s not worth falling out over, just shake hands and move on to the next point.

Take care, both of you, and get yourselves ready for a, hopefuly great, qualifying at a new track.

Come on Felipe, do us proud !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AussieLeb</p>
<p>Jaguar (and possible AM too I think) are now owned by TaTa, an indian company.<br />
They&#8217;re the ones who are building the $2000 mini car that was in the news a few months ago.</p>
<p>@antonyob</p>
<p>Calm down a bit mate, Aussie was just replying to my post.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to get a rant of my own but please try to look at his comments with a smile rather than a grimmace.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all friends on here but sometimes it&#8217;s easy to get carried away when your typing, especially on a topic as heated as this one has been.</p>
<p>No-one means any harm and we&#8217;ll all enjoy this site a lot more if we could laugh at others comments rather than getting upset about them.</p>
<p>AussieLeb &amp; myself very obviously disagree over this one but we both see it&#8217;s not worth falling out over, just shake hands and move on to the next point.</p>
<p>Take care, both of you, and get yourselves ready for a, hopefuly great, qualifying at a new track.</p>
<p>Come on Felipe, do us proud !!</p>
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		<title>By: antonyob</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217428</link>
		<dc:creator>antonyob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.......and yet you keep commenting. listen mate nothing personal, if you cant disagree without falling out then you need to leave blogs alone, you&#039;ll give yourself a coronary. I fundamentally disagree with you. full stop. 

oh and err the comment about culling , well from your fascinating potted history of yourself, what did we expect from a German ;)

btw- im 38(yesterday) - still a few years to go - phew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;.and yet you keep commenting. listen mate nothing personal, if you cant disagree without falling out then you need to leave blogs alone, you&#8217;ll give yourself a coronary. I fundamentally disagree with you. full stop. </p>
<p>oh and err the comment about culling , well from your fascinating potted history of yourself, what did we expect from a German <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>btw- im 38(yesterday) &#8211; still a few years to go &#8211; phew</p>
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		<title>By: AussieLeb</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217399</link>
		<dc:creator>AussieLeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers beneboy, I would have to say that I agree with you that in this case we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree. At the time I made the comment about Rolls Royce I remembered they were bought by Mercedes, wasn&#039;t it? But then I thought I heard somewhere that they were bought back by another British firm..anyway. I guess you could try to dump two Mini Coopers in the back of the McLaren, one for each rear wheel!!! As you may have read, I am German born. My Mum&#039;s German but that&#039;s about it as far as the German side goes. The other 99 percent of me is Australian with a glimmer of Lebanese. I have always found the German people to be very cautious when it comes to going out on a limb. Just an example, I don&#039;t know if this a European thing, however, you can&#039;t get a business loan from a bank in Germany, too risky they say. You have to go through a brewery. So I guess it shouldn&#039;t surprise me that Mercedes aren&#039;t willing to go out on their own either. 

Who owns Jag and AM? I thought Jag went the way of the Dodo, with Rover?

As for the &quot;argument&quot; I had, it&#039;s not really worth commenting about...waste of brain cells me thinks!!! In High School someone I knew once said to me &quot;We should cull anyone over 65 and those with a mental disability they&#039;re only wasting our useful oxygen&quot; Obviously I was tempted to apply the last part to him but then again when you come across some people you can&#039;t help but see where he was coming from!

Take it easy beneboy and good luck to the English when you come down under for the Rugby League World Cup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers beneboy, I would have to say that I agree with you that in this case we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree. At the time I made the comment about Rolls Royce I remembered they were bought by Mercedes, wasn&#8217;t it? But then I thought I heard somewhere that they were bought back by another British firm..anyway. I guess you could try to dump two Mini Coopers in the back of the McLaren, one for each rear wheel!!! As you may have read, I am German born. My Mum&#8217;s German but that&#8217;s about it as far as the German side goes. The other 99 percent of me is Australian with a glimmer of Lebanese. I have always found the German people to be very cautious when it comes to going out on a limb. Just an example, I don&#8217;t know if this a European thing, however, you can&#8217;t get a business loan from a bank in Germany, too risky they say. You have to go through a brewery. So I guess it shouldn&#8217;t surprise me that Mercedes aren&#8217;t willing to go out on their own either. </p>
<p>Who owns Jag and AM? I thought Jag went the way of the Dodo, with Rover?</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;argument&#8221; I had, it&#8217;s not really worth commenting about&#8230;waste of brain cells me thinks!!! In High School someone I knew once said to me &#8220;We should cull anyone over 65 and those with a mental disability they&#8217;re only wasting our useful oxygen&#8221; Obviously I was tempted to apply the last part to him but then again when you come across some people you can&#8217;t help but see where he was coming from!</p>
<p>Take it easy beneboy and good luck to the English when you come down under for the Rugby League World Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217376</link>
		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AussieLeb

Sorry mate, didn&#039;t mean to get you into an arguement with someone else.

I think on this one we&#039;ll pobably have to agree to disagree, although I probably went a bit far on my last one due to my frustration after Lewis not even getting a hearing from the FIA. 

I&#039;m not a big Lewis fan but I just wanted to get a full hearing so everyone could get their say and a full judgement to be given.

I&#039;ll try to calm down a bit before any future posts :~)

I&#039;d quite like to see a Rolls Royce in the back of a McLaren too but as they&#039;re German too these days it would still be a German engine put together in England.

Jaguar &amp; Aston Martin aren&#039;t ours anymore either.

I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve got any British engines left as all of ours are foreign owned.

Sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AussieLeb</p>
<p>Sorry mate, didn&#8217;t mean to get you into an arguement with someone else.</p>
<p>I think on this one we&#8217;ll pobably have to agree to disagree, although I probably went a bit far on my last one due to my frustration after Lewis not even getting a hearing from the FIA. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big Lewis fan but I just wanted to get a full hearing so everyone could get their say and a full judgement to be given.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to calm down a bit before any future posts :~)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d quite like to see a Rolls Royce in the back of a McLaren too but as they&#8217;re German too these days it would still be a German engine put together in England.</p>
<p>Jaguar &amp; Aston Martin aren&#8217;t ours anymore either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve got any British engines left as all of ours are foreign owned.</p>
<p>Sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217331</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just another version of catch 22

(ma)fia style</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just another version of catch 22</p>
<p>(ma)fia style</p>
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		<title>By: antonyob</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217282</link>
		<dc:creator>antonyob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how im ignorant because i dont agree with your point of view, or the length of time you take to make it. We&#039;re not all glory hunters and ive got several years on you so i think i&#039;ll decide when i want to let anything go. Id have thought as an Aussie you&#039;d be a bit less thin skinned but you live and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how im ignorant because i dont agree with your point of view, or the length of time you take to make it. We&#8217;re not all glory hunters and ive got several years on you so i think i&#8217;ll decide when i want to let anything go. Id have thought as an Aussie you&#8217;d be a bit less thin skinned but you live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: AussieLeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>AussieLeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have just proved you ignorance. I wasn&#039;t going to stoop to your level but that had to be said. The post you ridiculed was in response to a response from beneboy on my point of view. Which by the way was topical. So I would suggest you think twice before you accuse anyone of being self absorbed! I never said I was picking favourites. I said I respect Ferrari for their winning culture. I am also a supporter of Ferrari and feel the same way about McLaren as you do. The problem is Ron Dennis, IMO. I won&#039;t be taking this argument any further but I would like to say that I don&#039;t appreciate your attitude towards me and the fact that I was responding to a fellow bloggers post makes your comments rather ignorant. I apologise that I swore at you by suggesting you are a McLaren fan! But Williams.......? Good luck with that! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have just proved you ignorance. I wasn&#8217;t going to stoop to your level but that had to be said. The post you ridiculed was in response to a response from beneboy on my point of view. Which by the way was topical. So I would suggest you think twice before you accuse anyone of being self absorbed! I never said I was picking favourites. I said I respect Ferrari for their winning culture. I am also a supporter of Ferrari and feel the same way about McLaren as you do. The problem is Ron Dennis, IMO. I won&#8217;t be taking this argument any further but I would like to say that I don&#8217;t appreciate your attitude towards me and the fact that I was responding to a fellow bloggers post makes your comments rather ignorant. I apologise that I swore at you by suggesting you are a McLaren fan! But Williams&#8230;&#8230;.? Good luck with that! <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: antonyob</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/23/lewis-hamiltons-appeal-fails-and-felipe-massa-keeps-belgian-grand-prix-win/comment-page-11/#comment-217267</link>
		<dc:creator>antonyob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously dont read anyones posts but your own. I have always followed Williams (since ALan Jones in 1980) and im a big fan of Alonso and Hamilton as they race rather than just lap.  But really i just like good racing, i left &quot;favourites&quot; in the schoolyard

I guess it would suit your long winded argument to say i was a McLaren fan but im not particularly. Dennis has a chip on his shoulder and hes rubbed too many people up the wrong way to get any split decisions his way. Ferrari are like a snake, they hiss and spit if you come anywhere near them but are first to bite if anyone else steps out of line. The sport is morally corrupt so your sticking up for Ferrari is laughable..were it not so long in its point making</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously dont read anyones posts but your own. I have always followed Williams (since ALan Jones in 1980) and im a big fan of Alonso and Hamilton as they race rather than just lap.  But really i just like good racing, i left &#8220;favourites&#8221; in the schoolyard</p>
<p>I guess it would suit your long winded argument to say i was a McLaren fan but im not particularly. Dennis has a chip on his shoulder and hes rubbed too many people up the wrong way to get any split decisions his way. Ferrari are like a snake, they hiss and spit if you come anywhere near them but are first to bite if anyone else steps out of line. The sport is morally corrupt so your sticking up for Ferrari is laughable..were it not so long in its point making</p>
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		<title>By: AussieLeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>AussieLeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;d suggest it&#039;s better than having nothing decent to say! Would it be a debate or discussion of opinions if we all just ridiculed each other?

I don&#039;t think I said Ferrari cheat did I? They&#039;re just good at pushing the boundries and getting away unscathed, relatively.

You must be a McLaren fan...yawn....zzzzzzzz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;d suggest it&#8217;s better than having nothing decent to say! Would it be a debate or discussion of opinions if we all just ridiculed each other?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I said Ferrari cheat did I? They&#8217;re just good at pushing the boundries and getting away unscathed, relatively.</p>
<p>You must be a McLaren fan&#8230;yawn&#8230;.zzzzzzzz</p>
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