Comments on: How will the FIA make each F1 teams’ engine performance equal in 2009? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kaz Anthony http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-4/#comment-227425 Kaz Anthony Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:35:13 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-227425 I think the FIA have completely lost the plot. How can any team make a competetive car with equalized engines? The fact is they can reduce costs by: 1) Reduce the wages of the drivers and mechanics (sorry Lewis) 2) Limit the amount of horsepower that each engine produces 3) Limit the capacity of each engine to a standard size (e.g. 3.5ltr V6) 4) Rather than use tyres with a white line here, or a green line there, just use the same manafacturer (e.g. Bridgestone) and standardize the tyres to slicks, wets and intermediates - and that's it 5) Have the main parts of the chassis and wings made by an independant manufacturer to maintain safety regulations, but allow the teams to make aerodynamic changes, provided they don't exceed length, width and weight rules 6) Have the gearbox and differential the same on all cars to eliminate massive torque advantages 7) Have a fuel restrictor rule implemented so that each engine can only use so much fuel per race. That will give the teams incentive to build their engines with more economic characteristics ....and that's it!! What's the point of having a Constructor's Championship if the teams can't construct anything? At the end of the day, the FIA will destroy the heart and soul of F1 if they keep bombarding the teams with limitations. They will end up having a championship fought by Kia and Daihatsu because the world's top manufacturers won't want to race part-built cars in what is supposed to be a championship at the pinnacle of motoring's elite. I agree that cost of F1 is well above a reasonable mark, but trying to remove the heart of each manufacturer's car for a substitute is not the way to bring costs down. Firstly, the FIA should look at what abysmal rules they have implemented in the last few years, such as: 1) The 3-pronged qualifying setup. What was wrong with the old system? They should give all the teams 1 hour on the track, with each driver limited to 6 laps and only a specified amount of fuel per car, then let them duke it out - easy! 2) Remove ALL penalty decisions from the trackside stewards, and place them in the hands of an independant video panel who can review the evidence of any controversial incidents, then penalize any guilty driver a specified amount of time for a specified offense AFTER the race. This saves time and reduces arguments and controversy. I think I've covered most of the bases. In a perfect world the FIA would actually listen to us hardcore fans to see what WE want, as it's us paying millions each year to come to the tracks and watch the races, but not so. Moseley - time for you to go buddy. I think the FIA have completely lost the plot. How can any team make a competetive car with equalized engines? The fact is they can reduce costs by:
1) Reduce the wages of the drivers and mechanics (sorry Lewis)
2) Limit the amount of horsepower that each engine produces
3) Limit the capacity of each engine to a standard size (e.g. 3.5ltr V6)
4) Rather than use tyres with a white line here, or a green line there, just use the same manafacturer (e.g. Bridgestone) and standardize the tyres to slicks, wets and intermediates – and that’s it
5) Have the main parts of the chassis and wings made by an independant manufacturer to maintain safety regulations, but allow the teams to make aerodynamic changes, provided they don’t exceed length, width and weight rules
6) Have the gearbox and differential the same on all cars to eliminate massive torque advantages
7) Have a fuel restrictor rule implemented so that each engine can only use so much fuel per race. That will give the teams incentive to build their engines with more economic characteristics
….and that’s it!!

What’s the point of having a Constructor’s Championship if the teams can’t construct anything? At the end of the day, the FIA will destroy the heart and soul of F1 if they keep bombarding the teams with limitations. They will end up having a championship fought by Kia and Daihatsu because the world’s top manufacturers won’t want to race part-built cars in what is supposed to be a championship at the pinnacle of motoring’s elite.
I agree that cost of F1 is well above a reasonable mark, but trying to remove the heart of each manufacturer’s car for a substitute is not the way to bring costs down. Firstly, the FIA should look at what abysmal rules they have implemented in the last few years, such as:
1) The 3-pronged qualifying setup. What was wrong with the old system? They should give all the teams 1 hour on the track, with each driver limited to 6 laps and only a specified amount of fuel per car, then let them duke it out – easy!
2) Remove ALL penalty decisions from the trackside stewards, and place them in the hands of an independant video panel who can review the evidence of any controversial incidents, then penalize any guilty driver a specified amount of time for a specified offense AFTER the race. This saves time and reduces arguments and controversy.

I think I’ve covered most of the bases. In a perfect world the FIA would actually listen to us hardcore fans to see what WE want, as it’s us paying millions each year to come to the tracks and watch the races, but not so. Moseley – time for you to go buddy.

]]> By: mark http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-4/#comment-225263 mark Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:37:58 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-225263 it all flies in the face of common sense. They should limit annual spend on development (including wage bills, resources and where the big teams have fantastic facilities allow the lesser teams equal access). Limit engine size - say 4.0litres, 17k rpm limited. Thats it - let the engineers get on and wow us with what they can do. Might add in manual gear change as how often did we see missed gears when under pressure?? in the good ole days F1 is meant to be a technological show piece. With no regs on fuel stops or tank size - questions for teams -do you carry the weight, will the tyres last - or do you keep pitting. Torquey engine for twisty circuits or mad top end power etc. slicks - yes - downforce - how much do you want - the cars would have different advantages and it would be fantastic to seewhat free hand creativity produces. The likes of Colin Chapman would not exist in the current regulated environment and look what he bought to motorsport. it all flies in the face of common sense.

They should limit annual spend on development (including wage bills, resources and where the big teams have fantastic facilities allow the lesser teams equal access).

Limit engine size – say 4.0litres, 17k rpm limited.

Thats it – let the engineers get on and wow us with what they can do.

Might add in manual gear change as how often did we see missed gears when under pressure?? in the good ole days

F1 is meant to be a technological show piece. With no regs on fuel stops or tank size – questions for teams -do you carry the weight, will the tyres last – or do you keep pitting.

Torquey engine for twisty circuits or mad top end power etc.

slicks – yes – downforce – how much do you want –

the cars would have different advantages and it would be fantastic to seewhat free hand creativity produces.

The likes of Colin Chapman would not exist in the current regulated environment and look what he bought to motorsport.

]]> By: ROBERTO http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-4/#comment-223697 ROBERTO Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:37:02 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-223697 this idea stinks.Why do you whant to make f1 car the same.It is being to much focus on the public but!!!!!! if you making the cars similar to the other classes i think the public is going to watch the cheaper classes .WHY becuse the cars are the same the only difference is the engine power butt in this pace you problebly taking down the engine power to around 500bhp then it is boring.The fun whit f1 is that the teams are building different cars and engine those who make the best car and having the drivers that can setup the car to win offcourse it takes time for the underdogs but they are cathing up.So please let f1 be as it should be fast and alot off different cars setup and drivers that s what f1 is about this idea stinks.Why do you whant to make f1 car the same.It is being to much focus on the public but!!!!!! if you making the cars similar to the other classes i think the public is going to watch the cheaper classes .WHY becuse the cars are the same the only difference is the engine power butt in this pace you problebly taking down the engine power to around 500bhp then it is boring.The fun whit f1 is that the teams are building different cars and engine those who make the best car and having the drivers that can setup the car to win offcourse it takes time for the underdogs but they are cathing up.So please let f1 be as it should be fast and alot off different cars setup and drivers that s what f1 is about

]]> By: jeff http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-4/#comment-221531 jeff Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:50:25 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-221531 LIMIT FUEL PER RACE LIMIT FUEL PER RACE

]]> By: Chaz http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-4/#comment-221499 Chaz Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:12:57 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-221499 Following on from Keith blog above, here are a few more interesting article you all might be interested in. http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/10/8571.html http://www.fia.com/public/fia_fota_explanatory_note.pdf http://www.fia.com/public/fia_fota_agenda.pdf Following on from Keith blog above, here are a few more interesting article you all might be interested in.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/10/8571.html

http://www.fia.com/public/fia_fota_explanatory_note.pdf

http://www.fia.com/public/fia_fota_agenda.pdf

]]> By: Jannyboy http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220247 Jannyboy Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:39:06 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-220247 This is all about getting the big sponsors in and removing the annoying manufacturers. Give it 5 Years and you'll have the Coca-cola team racing the McDonald's team, all using the same engine produced by who cares. Max is cleverer than me (I couldn't get away with what he did!) and there is always a 5 to 10 year plan. The manufacturers have always been puppets to the FIA but recently the manufacturers have been flexing their muscles a little too much so Max will eliminate them... This is all about getting the big sponsors in and removing the annoying manufacturers. Give it 5 Years and you’ll have the Coca-cola team racing the McDonald’s team, all using the same engine produced by who cares. Max is cleverer than me (I couldn’t get away with what he did!) and there is always a 5 to 10 year plan. The manufacturers have always been puppets to the FIA but recently the manufacturers have been flexing their muscles a little too much so Max will eliminate them…

]]> By: Stealthman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-219295 Stealthman Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:12:24 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-219295 @ beneboy: Ah okay. Thanks for clearing that up. :) @ beneboy: Ah okay. Thanks for clearing that up. :)

]]> By: jeff http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-219283 jeff Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:29:43 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-219283 Give us back Champ Cars Give us back Champ Cars

]]> By: Gusto http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-219261 Gusto Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:00:40 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-219261 Dont suppose it will be Ferrari building the engines eh!. Dont know which is worse, Max and Bernie slaughtering F1, or the feeling of helplessness that accompany`s it. Dont suppose it will be Ferrari building the engines eh!. Dont know which is worse, Max and Bernie slaughtering F1, or the feeling of helplessness that accompany`s it.

]]> By: Derek http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/08/how-will-the-fia-make-each-f1-teams-engine-performance-equal-in-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-219165 Derek Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:43:42 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10423#comment-219165 I don't like the idea of a spec series either. But I was not too keen on Manufacturers taking over either. In the 70's almost every F1 car ran with Ford Cosworth engines and teams tuned them, but there was only 5 to 10 BHP difference across the grid. If we went back to that (single engine supplier) and teams were able to develop their own KERS and tune their engines this could give a team a temporary advantage. This would cut costs and free teams from the manufacturers. I think it would even encourage private teams back into the sport, at least when we come out the other side of this recession. I don’t like the idea of a spec series either. But I was not too keen on Manufacturers taking over either. In the 70′s almost every F1 car ran with Ford Cosworth engines and teams tuned them, but there was only 5 to 10 BHP difference across the grid. If we went back to that (single engine supplier) and teams were able to develop their own KERS and tune their engines this could give a team a temporary advantage. This would cut costs and free teams from the manufacturers. I think it would even encourage private teams back into the sport, at least when we come out the other side of this recession.

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