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	<title>Comments on: Massa and Hamilton&#8217;s Fuji crash &#8211; the penalty they got right (Video)</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New video evidence here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/f1com-reacts-to-criticism-of-fuji-penalties-by-releasing-exclusive-new-video/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;F1.com reacts to criticism of Fuji penalties by releasing new videos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New video evidence here: <a href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/f1com-reacts-to-criticism-of-fuji-penalties-by-releasing-exclusive-new-video/" rel="nofollow">F1.com reacts to criticism of Fuji penalties by releasing new videos</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop with these ridiculous rules and let them race. They got wrong every single penalty and that&#039;s include the Bourdais x Massa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop with these ridiculous rules and let them race. They got wrong every single penalty and that&#8217;s include the Bourdais x Massa.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC &amp; Kester - loads of points about the turn one incident are covered here: &lt;a href=&quot;/2008/10/12/hamilton-and-raikkonens-fuji-clash-the-penalty-they-got-wron-video/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hamilton and Raikkonen’s Fuji clash - the penalty they got wrong (Video)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC &#038; Kester &#8211; loads of points about the turn one incident are covered here: <a href="/2008/10/12/hamilton-and-raikkonens-fuji-clash-the-penalty-they-got-wron-video/" rel="nofollow">Hamilton and Raikkonen’s Fuji clash &#8211; the penalty they got wrong (Video)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BUT…he didn’t hit anyone and he gained nothing from the manoeuvre - in fact if he’d played it safe he would have been in P2 going into the second corner so he lost a lot of ground as a result of that rush of blood to the head.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I wish people would start realising that it doesn&#039;t matter if he lost out by it, it was the effect it had on other drivers. It potentially cost Raikkonen a race win (the 2 driver that got past the Hamilton incident went on to lead most of the race). I think that was one of the points that was taken into account when Hamilton was issued with his penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BUT…he didn’t hit anyone and he gained nothing from the manoeuvre &#8211; in fact if he’d played it safe he would have been in P2 going into the second corner so he lost a lot of ground as a result of that rush of blood to the head.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wish people would start realising that it doesn&#8217;t matter if he lost out by it, it was the effect it had on other drivers. It potentially cost Raikkonen a race win (the 2 driver that got past the Hamilton incident went on to lead most of the race). I think that was one of the points that was taken into account when Hamilton was issued with his penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple question.

Why on earth Hekki didn&#039;t receive a penalty for the same reasons Lewis did? That&#039;s the same. Was it because he retired meanwhile? Well the could have imposed him a 10 place penalty in China.

That&#039;s very suspect to me. They felt the need to punish Hamilton but not Kovalainen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple question.</p>
<p>Why on earth Hekki didn&#8217;t receive a penalty for the same reasons Lewis did? That&#8217;s the same. Was it because he retired meanwhile? Well the could have imposed him a 10 place penalty in China.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very suspect to me. They felt the need to punish Hamilton but not Kovalainen?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did the stewards not impose the drive through penalty for Bourdais, within the 16 laps they had after the incident, but waited till the race was over and impose a non negotiable  penalty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did the stewards not impose the drive through penalty for Bourdais, within the 16 laps they had after the incident, but waited till the race was over and impose a non negotiable  penalty?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil (#19)&lt;blockquote&gt;Both times there was a position at stake, but only Massa seemed to think he had the divine right to cut across. Add these incidents to Valencia, which was not Massa’s fault either, when he expected the Force India to give way to him in the pitlane, and we have built up a fairly impressive list of the arrogant assumptions that Massa takes on all these things. Sooner or later someone will actually have to point out this stupidity to him, before someone gets hurt&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It does remind me somewhat of Davidsons comments during the British GP when Massa was being lapped about Massas attitude towards backmarkers. He basically does expect everyone to lay out the red carpet for him, and it appears that it doesn&#039;t matter whether those backmarkers actually have position on you on the track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil (#19)<br />
<blockquote>Both times there was a position at stake, but only Massa seemed to think he had the divine right to cut across. Add these incidents to Valencia, which was not Massa’s fault either, when he expected the Force India to give way to him in the pitlane, and we have built up a fairly impressive list of the arrogant assumptions that Massa takes on all these things. Sooner or later someone will actually have to point out this stupidity to him, before someone gets hurt</p></blockquote>
<p>It does remind me somewhat of Davidsons comments during the British GP when Massa was being lapped about Massas attitude towards backmarkers. He basically does expect everyone to lay out the red carpet for him, and it appears that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether those backmarkers actually have position on you on the track.</p>
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		<title>By: SPROCKET</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPROCKET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll try not to be biased, so let&#039;s start with Hamilton&#039;s mistake at Turn 1. The red mist came down and he made a very immature decision to go up the inside of Raikkonen. His mistake cost him dearly because he flat-spotted his tyres and had to come in to change them, BUT...he didn&#039;t hit anyone and he gained nothing from the manoeuvre - in fact if he&#039;d played it safe he would have been in P2 going into the second corner so he lost a lot of ground as a result of that rush of blood to the head. To get a penalty for it is bizarre though. Doesn&#039;t that sort of thing happen every weekend in every level of motor sport, without penalty?

Secondly, as far as the Massa Hamilton incident on lap 2 is concerned, Massa got off very lightly and spoilt Hamilton&#039;s race completely. Hamilton lost 12 places as a result of Massa illegally going off the track. Unbelievable. In my humble opinion Massa should get a 5 or 10 place grid penalty on the grid next weekend. Let&#039;s face it, other drivers have grid place penalties for getting in the way of someone else during qualifying, and this was far worse. Did Hamilton force Massa off the track? No. It was Massa&#039;s fault for getting stuck behind Trulli going into the right-hander. 

Thirdly, I feel so sorry for Bourdais. He and STR had a fantastic weekend. Who does Massa think he is? He wasn&#039;t lapping Bourdais. The blue flags weren&#039;t out. They were racing for position and Bourdais had every right to do what he did. I&#039;m not a supporter of the conspiracy theory against McLaren. But for those who do believe that the red cars get preferential treatment, these penalties just add fuel to the flames.

What can be done? Either...scrap all the rules and say &quot;anything goes&quot; and trust the drivers and teams to not to want to spend millions rebuilding their cars every race. Or...re-write the rule book to include all eventualities and stick to those rules. At the moment the rules are too loose and can be mis-interpreted too easily leading to some of the crazy decisions we&#039;ve had this year.

I want the race to be decided on the track, not by some stewards or in a court room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll try not to be biased, so let&#8217;s start with Hamilton&#8217;s mistake at Turn 1. The red mist came down and he made a very immature decision to go up the inside of Raikkonen. His mistake cost him dearly because he flat-spotted his tyres and had to come in to change them, BUT&#8230;he didn&#8217;t hit anyone and he gained nothing from the manoeuvre &#8211; in fact if he&#8217;d played it safe he would have been in P2 going into the second corner so he lost a lot of ground as a result of that rush of blood to the head. To get a penalty for it is bizarre though. Doesn&#8217;t that sort of thing happen every weekend in every level of motor sport, without penalty?</p>
<p>Secondly, as far as the Massa Hamilton incident on lap 2 is concerned, Massa got off very lightly and spoilt Hamilton&#8217;s race completely. Hamilton lost 12 places as a result of Massa illegally going off the track. Unbelievable. In my humble opinion Massa should get a 5 or 10 place grid penalty on the grid next weekend. Let&#8217;s face it, other drivers have grid place penalties for getting in the way of someone else during qualifying, and this was far worse. Did Hamilton force Massa off the track? No. It was Massa&#8217;s fault for getting stuck behind Trulli going into the right-hander. </p>
<p>Thirdly, I feel so sorry for Bourdais. He and STR had a fantastic weekend. Who does Massa think he is? He wasn&#8217;t lapping Bourdais. The blue flags weren&#8217;t out. They were racing for position and Bourdais had every right to do what he did. I&#8217;m not a supporter of the conspiracy theory against McLaren. But for those who do believe that the red cars get preferential treatment, these penalties just add fuel to the flames.</p>
<p>What can be done? Either&#8230;scrap all the rules and say &#8220;anything goes&#8221; and trust the drivers and teams to not to want to spend millions rebuilding their cars every race. Or&#8230;re-write the rule book to include all eventualities and stick to those rules. At the moment the rules are too loose and can be mis-interpreted too easily leading to some of the crazy decisions we&#8217;ve had this year.</p>
<p>I want the race to be decided on the track, not by some stewards or in a court room.</p>
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		<title>By: schumi the greatest</title>
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		<dc:creator>schumi the greatest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont understand how massa is claiming hamilton pushed him wide?? can somebody explain that to me?? hamilton is behind him and he just runs wide, there&#039;s no-one else to blame but massa, then seeing he could not keep the place he simply drove into him, he had no right to still be fighting for that corner, this is proven by the fact he hits hamilton at the left.........&lt;strong&gt;rear&lt;/strong&gt;

Drive through penalty for deliberatley ramming someone off the road and a drive through penalty for out braking yourself........doesnt add up does it

and the bourdais penalty is the most ridiculous penalty i have ever seen given at a grand prix</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont understand how massa is claiming hamilton pushed him wide?? can somebody explain that to me?? hamilton is behind him and he just runs wide, there&#8217;s no-one else to blame but massa, then seeing he could not keep the place he simply drove into him, he had no right to still be fighting for that corner, this is proven by the fact he hits hamilton at the left&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<strong>rear</strong></p>
<p>Drive through penalty for deliberatley ramming someone off the road and a drive through penalty for out braking yourself&#8230;&#8230;..doesnt add up does it</p>
<p>and the bourdais penalty is the most ridiculous penalty i have ever seen given at a grand prix</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a typical Schumacher-esque manouver to me, he went off, knew he would loose it and drove into hamilton. If he&#039;d have made it infront of hamilton he&#039;d have clearly had to concede before the next corner as both wheel were over the white lines.

Its just a shame the stewards felt that they couldnt punish Ferrari without punishing Mclaren.

As for Boudois - **** really, ****?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a typical Schumacher-esque manouver to me, he went off, knew he would loose it and drove into hamilton. If he&#8217;d have made it infront of hamilton he&#8217;d have clearly had to concede before the next corner as both wheel were over the white lines.</p>
<p>Its just a shame the stewards felt that they couldnt punish Ferrari without punishing Mclaren.</p>
<p>As for Boudois &#8211; **** really, ****?</p>
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