Comments on: Will Honda drop Barrichello for 2009? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:31:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jonlim http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220739 jonlim Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:40:29 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220739 i agree that honda just needs to improve their car, their drivers are 2 of the best we've seen.. and as for rubens, i think his experience is indeed the most respectable among the group and he proved he's really quick when he was 2nd driver for ferrari. Just check the circuit records and you'll see that rubens has got what it takes if only he has a fast car. Only 4 names made records on the f1 circuits and these are really quick guys. Honda should keep him and get senna as tester. i agree that honda just needs to improve their car, their drivers are 2 of the best we’ve seen.. and as for rubens, i think his experience is indeed the most respectable among the group and he proved he’s really quick when he was 2nd driver for ferrari. Just check the circuit records and you’ll see that rubens has got what it takes if only he has a fast car. Only 4 names made records on the f1 circuits and these are really quick guys. Honda should keep him and get senna as tester.

]]> By: Fans Barrichello http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220444 Fans Barrichello Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:11:11 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220444 Rubens Barrichello's contract should be renewed! We endorse the Rubens Barrichello's contract should be renewed! Petition to Honda Racing F1 Team. Read the Rubens Barrichello's contract should be renewed! Petition Name Country Comments 6682 Total Signatures http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?181276 Rubens Barrichello’s contract should be renewed!

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]]> By: Tim http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220336 Tim Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:32:31 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220336 Much as I like Rubens, the case for retaining him at Honda is not watertight. But replacing him with Brunno Senna would be an enormous mistake, for 2009 at least. If Honda manage to sign Fernando Alonso (or, if certain Alonso/Ferrari/Santander rumours comes true and Kimi Raikkonen finds himself out of a job) then Rubens is the obvious driver to ditch. He can't seriously see his long term future in F1 and has surely only got 1-2 more years in him at the most. But the fact remains that Honda is in a pretty dire situation and they need a driver with Rubens experience. F1 rookies often struggle to perform in unsorted cars. Lewis Hamilton was an exception, not the rule. Very few drivers will get to make their F1 debut in a car as well sorted, quick and reliable as the 2007 McLaren. A lot of folk in F1 seem to forget that. Bruno Senna in a Honda is a great PR stunt but that could be the only good thing if Honda gets its sums wrong. Much as I like Rubens, the case for retaining him at Honda is not watertight. But replacing him with Brunno Senna would be an enormous mistake, for 2009 at least.

If Honda manage to sign Fernando Alonso (or, if certain Alonso/Ferrari/Santander rumours comes true and Kimi Raikkonen finds himself out of a job) then Rubens is the obvious driver to ditch. He can’t seriously see his long term future in F1 and has surely only got 1-2 more years in him at the most.

But the fact remains that Honda is in a pretty dire situation and they need a driver with Rubens experience. F1 rookies often struggle to perform in unsorted cars. Lewis Hamilton was an exception, not the rule. Very few drivers will get to make their F1 debut in a car as well sorted, quick and reliable as the 2007 McLaren. A lot of folk in F1 seem to forget that.

Bruno Senna in a Honda is a great PR stunt but that could be the only good thing if Honda gets its sums wrong.

]]> By: Filipe http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220297 Filipe Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:20:21 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220297 Von, the thing is when Barrichello get his F1 start brazilian fans were very spoiled, between Piquet and Senna, a brazilian driver had won WDC 6 times in a 12 year period and everyone expect Senna to win some more. Barrichello was seen as our next great driver, I guess everyone expect that by the time Senna retired, he would already be placed in a major team, but then Senna died. The Brazilian TV turned the F1 coverage into the Barrichello show only he was still driving a Jordan. Rubens had some really good seasons at Jordan and Stewart but people only notice the high amount of DNFs. When he arrived at Ferrari people got their hopes up and we got Barrichello every year going to TV to tell that it would be his year, that everything would be different, that he could finally race Schumacher despite that around 2002 even the most blind fan could get that Ferrari would never let him, but Barrichello keep making the big promises and people start get more and more tired (and it certain didn't help that he got replaced by Massa who is much better at dealing with the media, despite being a much weaker driver, and only got to be Schumacher distant 2nd driver for one season). Von, the thing is when Barrichello get his F1 start brazilian fans were very spoiled, between Piquet and Senna, a brazilian driver had won WDC 6 times in a 12 year period and everyone expect Senna to win some more. Barrichello was seen as our next great driver, I guess everyone expect that by the time Senna retired, he would already be placed in a major team, but then Senna died. The Brazilian TV turned the F1 coverage into the Barrichello show only he was still driving a Jordan. Rubens had some really good seasons at Jordan and Stewart but people only notice the high amount of DNFs. When he arrived at Ferrari people got their hopes up and we got Barrichello every year going to TV to tell that it would be his year, that everything would be different, that he could finally race Schumacher despite that around 2002 even the most blind fan could get that Ferrari would never let him, but Barrichello keep making the big promises and people start get more and more tired (and it certain didn’t help that he got replaced by Massa who is much better at dealing with the media, despite being a much weaker driver, and only got to be Schumacher distant 2nd driver for one season).

]]> By: Gman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220288 Gman Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:39:07 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220288 While we're at it, two other quick realted notes... - Having won the hugely-popular TV series "Dancing with the stars" but now being brought up on tax-evasion charges, Helio has gone from hero to zero in the eyes of not just race fans here, but the mainstream American public as well. If Rubens ever did directly replace him, it would be a golden deal for Honda and for the IndyCar series, as well as team Penske. Hopefully, though, he woulden't wind up at any under-attended K-Mart autograph sessions in the way Mansell did when he came to Indycar :) - In terms of future Honda drivers, I know many of you have laughed at me when brining up versions of this theory in the past, but if either of them shine in other series in the next season or two, don't be suprised to see either Marco Andretti or...gasp...Danica Patrick wind up at Honda. Now, before you run me out of the building, let me explain for a moment. Nick Fry is the best friend of F1 in America, as he is always pushing the imortance of this market for his company. As I said earlier, Honda supplies the engines for the IndyCar series, and already has a link to both drivers. Also, both drivers are currently employed by Andretti Green Racing, and AGR just took over as the seat-holders for Team USA in A1GP, with the aim of getting Marco and Danica more road course miles in the series. I personally think Danica has little to no substance as a true racer, but if either of these drivers build on their one win apiece in IndyCar, I have a hunch that Honda will want one of them in a race seat. Sure, there are more plausable theories, but crazier things have happened, so let's see what works out :) While we’re at it, two other quick realted notes…

- Having won the hugely-popular TV series “Dancing with the stars” but now being brought up on tax-evasion charges, Helio has gone from hero to zero in the eyes of not just race fans here, but the mainstream American public as well. If Rubens ever did directly replace him, it would be a golden deal for Honda and for the IndyCar series, as well as team Penske. Hopefully, though, he woulden’t wind up at any under-attended K-Mart autograph sessions in the way Mansell did when he came to Indycar :)

- In terms of future Honda drivers, I know many of you have laughed at me when brining up versions of this theory in the past, but if either of them shine in other series in the next season or two, don’t be suprised to see either Marco Andretti or…gasp…Danica Patrick wind up at Honda.

Now, before you run me out of the building, let me explain for a moment. Nick Fry is the best friend of F1 in America, as he is always pushing the imortance of this market for his company. As I said earlier, Honda supplies the engines for the IndyCar series, and already has a link to both drivers. Also, both drivers are currently employed by Andretti Green Racing, and AGR just took over as the seat-holders for Team USA in A1GP, with the aim of getting Marco and Danica more road course miles in the series.

I personally think Danica has little to no substance as a true racer, but if either of these drivers build on their one win apiece in IndyCar, I have a hunch that Honda will want one of them in a race seat. Sure, there are more plausable theories, but crazier things have happened, so let’s see what works out :)

]]> By: Gman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220286 Gman Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:22:53 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220286 Hmmm..interesting one. First off, whenever Rubens hangs up his helmet, he can do so with pride and look back on a great career. Sure, he will always be compared with guys like Senna and Piquet Sr. in Brazil, but when you consider how many guys come into F1 and do nothing, he's had a splendid run overall. Second, if he dose wind up out of F1 one way or another, it would be great to see him in the IndyCar series- he'd be an instant boost to the sport's credibility and would probably be at the top of the grid week in and out. And don't forget that Honda supplies the engines in the IndyCar series, so they have a ready-made link in place. Now, in regards to his F1 future, Honda is clearly waiting on Alonso to make his decision final. With that said, I don't think Fernando leaves Renault after this season, and perhaps Honda will keep Rubens around for one more run. His experience would indeed help in developing the new car, and after this season he could ride off into the sunset. Perhaps that could include an IndyCar drive in 2010, or a ride in Stock Car Brazil, which I know you all love :) In terms of the other names you mentioned, I would love to see Davidson back in F1 but as long as Button is with Honda, I don't see either he or Conway latching on with the team. Senna is a real possibility- someone is going to scoop him up sooner or later- but I don't know if they would bring him in until he's shown more in GP2. Hmmm..interesting one.

First off, whenever Rubens hangs up his helmet, he can do so with pride and look back on a great career. Sure, he will always be compared with guys like Senna and Piquet Sr. in Brazil, but when you consider how many guys come into F1 and do nothing, he’s had a splendid run overall. Second, if he dose wind up out of F1 one way or another, it would be great to see him in the IndyCar series- he’d be an instant boost to the sport’s credibility and would probably be at the top of the grid week in and out. And don’t forget that Honda supplies the engines in the IndyCar series, so they have a ready-made link in place.

Now, in regards to his F1 future, Honda is clearly waiting on Alonso to make his decision final. With that said, I don’t think Fernando leaves Renault after this season, and perhaps Honda will keep Rubens around for one more run. His experience would indeed help in developing the new car, and after this season he could ride off into the sunset. Perhaps that could include an IndyCar drive in 2010, or a ride in Stock Car Brazil, which I know you all love :)

In terms of the other names you mentioned, I would love to see Davidson back in F1 but as long as Button is with Honda, I don’t see either he or Conway latching on with the team. Senna is a real possibility- someone is going to scoop him up sooner or later- but I don’t know if they would bring him in until he’s shown more in GP2.

]]> By: Luis http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220280 Luis Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:39:40 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220280 To axe Rubens and bring in someone like Bruno Senna would be a great mistake on Honda's part. Rubens has the potential to win races as does Jenson, they just haven't had the car to do it in. I could see bringing in Alonso, but Senna? He has the name and that's all. Ayrton said himself, if people think he's fast wait till they see his nephew. Well, I've seen him and I'm not to impressed. His place is in a team like Toro Rosso or Force India, but not a team like Honda. Atleast not yet. He needs to pay his dues like everyone else. Rubens has the experience and the know how to win races, just give him a car to do it in Honda. To axe Rubens and bring in someone like Bruno Senna would be a great mistake on Honda’s part. Rubens has the potential to win races as does Jenson, they just haven’t had the car to do it in. I could see bringing in Alonso, but Senna? He has the name and that’s all. Ayrton said himself, if people think he’s fast wait till they see his nephew. Well, I’ve seen him and I’m not to impressed. His place is in a team like Toro Rosso or Force India, but not a team like Honda. Atleast not yet. He needs to pay his dues like everyone else. Rubens has the experience and the know how to win races, just give him a car to do it in Honda.

]]> By: von http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220276 von Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:42:48 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220276 I'm afraid Honda will "let him go" in the end. He's a great chap and compared to all the young and arrogant ones we have these days I'm definately going to miss him if he's not there next year... @Filipe Why is Barrichello's image negative in Brasil ? I’m afraid Honda will “let him go” in the end. He’s a great chap and compared to all the young and arrogant ones we have these days I’m definately going to miss him if he’s not there next year…
@Filipe
Why is Barrichello’s image negative in Brasil ?

]]> By: Adam D http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-3/#comment-220263 Adam D Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:28:32 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220263 Rubens - great guy, driver btw - should go at the end of the season. He's had a decent year this year but i think since Silverstone his performances have gone downhill and if we're being honest that 3rd at Silverstone which shud've been a 2nd given the fueling rig issue was down to luck anyway. Honda need freshing up and its clear that they want Button to partner Alonso should the fiery spainard go to Honda (which is looking less likley by the day even with his 2 wins in the last 2 races). Rubens for still has the passion but i think deep down he knows its time to go. In all honesty Fisi should have quit last year, yes he can offfer F/India gr8 help but so cud a Klien/Liuzzi who have experience. Rubens has had a gr8 run and if it wasn't for a Michael Schumacher being his teammate at Ferrari, Rubens wud've had the talent to be a world champion. I think his replacement is hard to choose. Guys like Piquet, Senna, Di Grassi and Ant Davidson could all be worth a shout. Then there's some1 like Klien whose had experience with Honda testing in the past. Its a tough one to call. Rubens – great guy, driver btw – should go at the end of the season. He’s had a decent year this year but i think since Silverstone his performances have gone downhill and if we’re being honest that 3rd at Silverstone which shud’ve been a 2nd given the fueling rig issue was down to luck anyway.

Honda need freshing up and its clear that they want Button to partner Alonso should the fiery spainard go to Honda (which is looking less likley by the day even with his 2 wins in the last 2 races). Rubens for still has the passion but i think deep down he knows its time to go.

In all honesty Fisi should have quit last year, yes he can offfer F/India gr8 help but so cud a Klien/Liuzzi who have experience.

Rubens has had a gr8 run and if it wasn’t for a Michael Schumacher being his teammate at Ferrari, Rubens wud’ve had the talent to be a world champion.

I think his replacement is hard to choose. Guys like Piquet, Senna, Di Grassi and Ant Davidson could all be worth a shout. Then there’s some1 like Klien whose had experience with Honda testing in the past. Its a tough one to call.

]]> By: sap http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/14/will-honda-drop-barrichello-for-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-220212 sap Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:51:10 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=10773#comment-220212 Todd.... Isn't Alice on the Ferrari of kimi just his wife's name? That's what I always thought anyway :) Todd…. Isn’t Alice on the Ferrari of kimi just his wife’s name? That’s what I always thought anyway :)

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