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	<title>Comments on: Ferrari and Toyota threaten to quit F1 if Max Mosley forces standard engines</title>
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		<title>By: Gyula Bognar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyula Bognar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be just a short time stopgap or diversion in F1, before it falls apart, as we know it.  In the next ten years, alternative methods of propelling cars will become widespread and races will reflect, such as electric and hybrid cars racing competitively.  Formula 1 with the only internal combustion engines unfortunately will become obsolete politically incorrect and cost prohibitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be just a short time stopgap or diversion in F1, before it falls apart, as we know it.  In the next ten years, alternative methods of propelling cars will become widespread and races will reflect, such as electric and hybrid cars racing competitively.  Formula 1 with the only internal combustion engines unfortunately will become obsolete politically incorrect and cost prohibitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;F1 is Carbon Neutral, it has been for several years.
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so they don&#039;t leave their cars on standby when not in use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>F1 is Carbon Neutral, it has been for several years.
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<p>so they don&#8217;t leave their cars on standby when not in use?</p>
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		<title>By: stevepCambsUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevepCambsUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres a article from 5 years ago when Max started to think about standardising engines......

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/274224/max-mosley-on-the-future-of-f1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres a article from 5 years ago when Max started to think about standardising engines&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/274224/max-mosley-on-the-future-of-f1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/274224/max-mosley-on-the-future-of-f1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wont be at all surprised if Bernie is secretly working on a non-FIA GP1 series for the manufacturers to jump ship to when the FIA decides standard engines are happening anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wont be at all surprised if Bernie is secretly working on a non-FIA GP1 series for the manufacturers to jump ship to when the FIA decides standard engines are happening anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FIA have clarified their position , which is : &quot;The FIA has offered the teams three options, one of which is the so-called standard engine, and another that the manufacturers should jointly guarantee to supply power trains to the independent teams for less than €5m per season.&quot; Based on that (although I see two options mentioned not three!) , FIA should then accept tenders from any manufacturers who can supply engines for that amount or less , but let the existing manufacturers have the option of continuing with using their own provided they adhere to the rev. limits imposed by the FIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FIA have clarified their position , which is : &#8220;The FIA has offered the teams three options, one of which is the so-called standard engine, and another that the manufacturers should jointly guarantee to supply power trains to the independent teams for less than €5m per season.&#8221; Based on that (although I see two options mentioned not three!) , FIA should then accept tenders from any manufacturers who can supply engines for that amount or less , but let the existing manufacturers have the option of continuing with using their own provided they adhere to the rev. limits imposed by the FIA.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if I end up repeating what anyone has said earlier, I&#039;m just mad at this whole idea. I will still read other comments eventually.

This is a stupid idea. If we want to save costs, lets run the GP2 cars and call it F1. Everything there, apart from paint, is standardized. Why create a more expensive version of the same thing.
This is not about ecology. Max has contempt for the manufacturers because they are more powerful than he is. He wants to drive them out at all cost, then control the independent teams like puppets.

Why was ForceIndia not competitive this year, it was because they couldn&#039;t afford to design a car for this year and then be forced to discard everything again for next year. With a stable long term regulation, teams will eventually spend much less than when constant revisions are being made to these regulations on a yearly bases.

Max knows he wont live for ever so he wants to kill the sport before he leaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I end up repeating what anyone has said earlier, I&#8217;m just mad at this whole idea. I will still read other comments eventually.</p>
<p>This is a stupid idea. If we want to save costs, lets run the GP2 cars and call it F1. Everything there, apart from paint, is standardized. Why create a more expensive version of the same thing.<br />
This is not about ecology. Max has contempt for the manufacturers because they are more powerful than he is. He wants to drive them out at all cost, then control the independent teams like puppets.</p>
<p>Why was ForceIndia not competitive this year, it was because they couldn&#8217;t afford to design a car for this year and then be forced to discard everything again for next year. With a stable long term regulation, teams will eventually spend much less than when constant revisions are being made to these regulations on a yearly bases.</p>
<p>Max knows he wont live for ever so he wants to kill the sport before he leaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Oddball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sush #39.
According to Autosport (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71780) their statement does not say that they 
&lt;blockquote&gt;want to win, no matter the costs&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To the contrary they state:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Toyota are committed to succeeding in Formula One for the long-term and our objective in Formula One is to win - we exist to win and we are committed to doing that,&quot; said a team statement.

However, we believe &lt;strong&gt;Formula One must remain a technological challenge&lt;/strong&gt;; this is an important point for Toyota and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;provided this does not change&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; we expect to continue in F1 until at least 2012.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(my emphasis)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sush #39.<br />
According to Autosport (<a href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71780" rel="nofollow">http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71780</a>) their statement does not say that they </p>
<blockquote><p>want to win, no matter the costs</p></blockquote>
<p>To the contrary they state:</p>
<blockquote><p>Toyota are committed to succeeding in Formula One for the long-term and our objective in Formula One is to win &#8211; we exist to win and we are committed to doing that,&#8221; said a team statement.</p>
<p>However, we believe <strong>Formula One must remain a technological challenge</strong>; this is an important point for Toyota and <strong><em>provided this does not change</em></strong> we expect to continue in F1 until at least 2012.</p></blockquote>
<p>(my emphasis)</p>
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		<title>By: Oddball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True to form, Max delivers as usual on the arrogance front:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The FIA has noted the press statement issued by the Ferrari Board of Directors.

It seems the Ferrari Board were misinformed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Having been an avid fan (and by that a mean a real fanatic) for more than 30 years now, I swear that if Mad Max gets his will on this one, I &lt;strong&gt;will&lt;/strong&gt; turn my back on the sport this time. I have considered it on a couple of previous occasions (e.g. when he got rid of the slicks) but have this far hung in there. However, my cup is now full!

One of my favourite drivers, Jean Alesi, who can always be trusted to speak his mind (as opposed to most of the current generation of drivers), has again delivered too (from an interview in &quot;La Stampa&quot;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have exactly the same thoughts as Ferrari. It&#039;s an absurd idea, because with a standard engine you would not be contesting a real constructors&#039; championship. With standard engines, Maranello would be right to step out. The global financial crisis is no justification for the proposal. It has nothing to do with it, but is rather a very deep and very complicated political issue, about which I do not want to say any more... It is in effect asking BMW, Toyota or Mercedes to sack their engineers and buy an engine from the supermarket.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True to form, Max delivers as usual on the arrogance front:</p>
<blockquote><p>The FIA has noted the press statement issued by the Ferrari Board of Directors.</p>
<p>It seems the Ferrari Board were misinformed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Having been an avid fan (and by that a mean a real fanatic) for more than 30 years now, I swear that if Mad Max gets his will on this one, I <strong>will</strong> turn my back on the sport this time. I have considered it on a couple of previous occasions (e.g. when he got rid of the slicks) but have this far hung in there. However, my cup is now full!</p>
<p>One of my favourite drivers, Jean Alesi, who can always be trusted to speak his mind (as opposed to most of the current generation of drivers), has again delivered too (from an interview in &#8220;La Stampa&#8221;):</p>
<blockquote><p>I have exactly the same thoughts as Ferrari. It&#8217;s an absurd idea, because with a standard engine you would not be contesting a real constructors&#8217; championship. With standard engines, Maranello would be right to step out. The global financial crisis is no justification for the proposal. It has nothing to do with it, but is rather a very deep and very complicated political issue, about which I do not want to say any more&#8230; It is in effect asking BMW, Toyota or Mercedes to sack their engineers and buy an engine from the supermarket.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F1 is Carbon Neutral, it has been for several years.

When you also take into account the amount of fuel that has been saved as a direct result of production car engines being improved due to F1 engine development then the sport is far more environmentally friendly than many would have you believe.

Before aerodynamics started playing such a big part in F1 quite a lot of technological developments led to improvements for road cars: ABS, Active Suspension, Traction Control, Automatic Gearboxes and many more developments have their roots in motor sport.

Standardisation does away with all of this and makes the sport little more than corporate entertainment, as a kid I just loved watching the drivers racing each other but as I&#039;ve got older the technology side has increased my interest in the sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F1 is Carbon Neutral, it has been for several years.</p>
<p>When you also take into account the amount of fuel that has been saved as a direct result of production car engines being improved due to F1 engine development then the sport is far more environmentally friendly than many would have you believe.</p>
<p>Before aerodynamics started playing such a big part in F1 quite a lot of technological developments led to improvements for road cars: ABS, Active Suspension, Traction Control, Automatic Gearboxes and many more developments have their roots in motor sport.</p>
<p>Standardisation does away with all of this and makes the sport little more than corporate entertainment, as a kid I just loved watching the drivers racing each other but as I&#8217;ve got older the technology side has increased my interest in the sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron aka. SkinBintin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron aka. SkinBintin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparantly the oil is going to run out sooner rather than later, so why not make the most of what is left? (semi joking, semi serious)

Honestly, if Max makes changes to the sport that drive away the likes of Ferrari, BMW, Toyota, McLaren etc then I will follow them. If F1 because too much like A1GP I&#039;ll just start watching A1GP instead. Atleast with that, I can cheer on New Zealand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparantly the oil is going to run out sooner rather than later, so why not make the most of what is left? (semi joking, semi serious)</p>
<p>Honestly, if Max makes changes to the sport that drive away the likes of Ferrari, BMW, Toyota, McLaren etc then I will follow them. If F1 because too much like A1GP I&#8217;ll just start watching A1GP instead. Atleast with that, I can cheer on New Zealand.</p>
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