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	<title>Comments on: ITV F1: goodbye or good riddance?</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/29/itv-f1-goodbye-or-good-riddance/comment-page-7/#comment-243520</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a look at the links above you can see the original article the data was based on:

http://jonmcknight.typepad.com/jon_mcknight/2007/10/f1-advertisers-.html

This blogger tracked the actual amount of race time lost to adverts, and as you can see it disagrees with your figure. I&#039;d be interested to know why there&#039;s a discrepancy.

But I think your accusation that I&#039;m not being impartial is well wide of the mark - I gave ITV plenty of credit in this article. And if I was trying to &quot;tell gross lies&quot; I wouldn&#039;t have included links back to the original data would I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a look at the links above you can see the original article the data was based on:</p>
<p><a href="http://jonmcknight.typepad.com/jon_mcknight/2007/10/f1-advertisers-.html" rel="nofollow">http://jonmcknight.typepad.com/jon_mcknight/2007/10/f1-advertisers-.html</a></p>
<p>This blogger tracked the actual amount of race time lost to adverts, and as you can see it disagrees with your figure. I&#8217;d be interested to know why there&#8217;s a discrepancy.</p>
<p>But I think your accusation that I&#8217;m not being impartial is well wide of the mark &#8211; I gave ITV plenty of credit in this article. And if I was trying to &#8220;tell gross lies&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t have included links back to the original data would I?</p>
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		<title>By: Ieuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ieuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldnt mind if the figuresa were true but they are not.  During an average 94 minute (5640 seconds) race, ITV usually had 4 or 5 60-90 second advert breaks

Even taking the highest of those we get:
5*90 seconds = 450 seconds

So that actual percentage of races missed is:
450/5640 = 7.98%

Your Figure was:
31 races/206 races = 15.05%

Nearly twice as much, and lo and behold that equates to the figure if you include the advets both before and after the race itself.

At least TRY to sound impartial and not just tell gross lies next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldnt mind if the figuresa were true but they are not.  During an average 94 minute (5640 seconds) race, ITV usually had 4 or 5 60-90 second advert breaks</p>
<p>Even taking the highest of those we get:<br />
5*90 seconds = 450 seconds</p>
<p>So that actual percentage of races missed is:<br />
450/5640 = 7.98%</p>
<p>Your Figure was:<br />
31 races/206 races = 15.05%</p>
<p>Nearly twice as much, and lo and behold that equates to the figure if you include the advets both before and after the race itself.</p>
<p>At least TRY to sound impartial and not just tell gross lies next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITV&#039;s coverage of F1 was bliss compared to the ***** we get in Australia. As an ex UK citizen i can confidently say that ITV were leagues ahead of anyone else.
Granted, we had the commentary of the race from UK but the pre race show from the aussies was (and will still be) utter utter trash. 
And the post race follow up? Didnt exist. Straight into the next program.
Live races? Ha! They delay it to the eastern states and then they delay it even further to us in Western Australia
Qualifying? Are you for real? I dont think they even realise there is qualifying.
And to add insult - adverts.

So, think yourself lucky if you are an F1 fan in the UK.
And congratulations to Oz channel Ten for destroying my passion for formula 1. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITV&#8217;s coverage of F1 was bliss compared to the ***** we get in Australia. As an ex UK citizen i can confidently say that ITV were leagues ahead of anyone else.<br />
Granted, we had the commentary of the race from UK but the pre race show from the aussies was (and will still be) utter utter trash.<br />
And the post race follow up? Didnt exist. Straight into the next program.<br />
Live races? Ha! They delay it to the eastern states and then they delay it even further to us in Western Australia<br />
Qualifying? Are you for real? I dont think they even realise there is qualifying.<br />
And to add insult &#8211; adverts.</p>
<p>So, think yourself lucky if you are an F1 fan in the UK.<br />
And congratulations to Oz channel Ten for destroying my passion for formula 1. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/29/itv-f1-goodbye-or-good-riddance/comment-page-6/#comment-227029</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich - Think what should be free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich &#8211; Think what should be free?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/29/itv-f1-goodbye-or-good-riddance/comment-page-6/#comment-227005</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed ITV&#039;s coverage and commentary team very much.

Why do so many ppl think this should be free? You think faeries wave a wand and it just happens? Get a grip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed ITV&#8217;s coverage and commentary team very much.</p>
<p>Why do so many ppl think this should be free? You think faeries wave a wand and it just happens? Get a grip!</p>
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		<title>By: AndyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been watching F1 since the sketchy transmissions in the 70&#039;s. In South Africa, we had the BBC feed and Murray Walker was a name and an icon.

I moved to Europe in 1990 and have since been watching F1 in different countries - but always pointing the dish in the direction of BBC. I moved to Germany in 2003 and have been watching RTL and Premiere there, as I also speak German. The &quot;show&quot; these channels put up is excellent, but the commentary is pitiful. So I have been watching the picture from Premiere - as they had no ads - and listening to BBC/ITV. 

Since 2005 I&#039;ve been going more and more for the internet services and find myself watching the feeds for cinemas and taking the commentary from different sources. This looks to be where I will be for some time: picking the best feed on satellite - preferably in HD - and then running the formula1.com live on the laptop and listening to British commentary.

The German commentators are really putting you to sleep and soooo inaccurate. But nothing compared to the guy on Austrian TV. He - still - doesn&#039;t know who is driving where and who is in what position at any given moment. If it wasn&#039;t so sad it would be funny. 

And if you were to listen to and understand a Hungarian or Polish commentator you would never criticise any British guy ever again.

So, pick the best available and mix and match to suit your taste. But enjoy while it lasts as I&#039;ve heard about the latest FIA plans, which will kill F1, which will kill the sport in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been watching F1 since the sketchy transmissions in the 70&#8242;s. In South Africa, we had the BBC feed and Murray Walker was a name and an icon.</p>
<p>I moved to Europe in 1990 and have since been watching F1 in different countries &#8211; but always pointing the dish in the direction of BBC. I moved to Germany in 2003 and have been watching RTL and Premiere there, as I also speak German. The &#8220;show&#8221; these channels put up is excellent, but the commentary is pitiful. So I have been watching the picture from Premiere &#8211; as they had no ads &#8211; and listening to BBC/ITV. </p>
<p>Since 2005 I&#8217;ve been going more and more for the internet services and find myself watching the feeds for cinemas and taking the commentary from different sources. This looks to be where I will be for some time: picking the best feed on satellite &#8211; preferably in HD &#8211; and then running the formula1.com live on the laptop and listening to British commentary.</p>
<p>The German commentators are really putting you to sleep and soooo inaccurate. But nothing compared to the guy on Austrian TV. He &#8211; still &#8211; doesn&#8217;t know who is driving where and who is in what position at any given moment. If it wasn&#8217;t so sad it would be funny. </p>
<p>And if you were to listen to and understand a Hungarian or Polish commentator you would never criticise any British guy ever again.</p>
<p>So, pick the best available and mix and match to suit your taste. But enjoy while it lasts as I&#8217;ve heard about the latest FIA plans, which will kill F1, which will kill the sport in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Col</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t believe the amount of cr@p i&#039;ve just read.

i&#039;m british, i tune into a british tv channel to watch F1, hoping to see the british drivers do well. Hamilton is the best at the moment so they should concentrate on him.

give james allen a break for gods sake. he does a decent job when you consider he is only commentating from a tv monitor, with loads more going on in the background too. brundle is truly awesome, but i think he works well with allen. and don&#039;t try and suggest murray walker was better - he was truly awful. my only dislike of allen is the way every GP starts with &quot;and the .... GP is Go&quot;, but I can live with that.

BBC coverage will, I&#039;m sure, be excellent. They, as everything, have come a long way since they lost the coverage. ITV did a brilliant job when they took over, but the ads are the crux. Simply not acceptable.

But, other than the ads, I think the ITV package was generally very good.

Another thing to consider - if F1 was made a bit more exciting, by removing most of the aerodynamics and going back to huge tyres, so that drivers could overtake a bit more, there would be less room for idle chat in the commentary box. James Allen sometimes has to fill best part of 2 hours when there is simply nothing to commentate on, other than a boring procession.

ps well done lewis. A brit world champ!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#8217;t believe the amount of cr@p i&#8217;ve just read.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m british, i tune into a british tv channel to watch F1, hoping to see the british drivers do well. Hamilton is the best at the moment so they should concentrate on him.</p>
<p>give james allen a break for gods sake. he does a decent job when you consider he is only commentating from a tv monitor, with loads more going on in the background too. brundle is truly awesome, but i think he works well with allen. and don&#8217;t try and suggest murray walker was better &#8211; he was truly awful. my only dislike of allen is the way every GP starts with &#8220;and the &#8230;. GP is Go&#8221;, but I can live with that.</p>
<p>BBC coverage will, I&#8217;m sure, be excellent. They, as everything, have come a long way since they lost the coverage. ITV did a brilliant job when they took over, but the ads are the crux. Simply not acceptable.</p>
<p>But, other than the ads, I think the ITV package was generally very good.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider &#8211; if F1 was made a bit more exciting, by removing most of the aerodynamics and going back to huge tyres, so that drivers could overtake a bit more, there would be less room for idle chat in the commentary box. James Allen sometimes has to fill best part of 2 hours when there is simply nothing to commentate on, other than a boring procession.</p>
<p>ps well done lewis. A brit world champ!!</p>
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		<title>By: Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better the devil you know.  As many people have mentioned, BBC coverage may not have had adverts but please remember, it was poor, poor, poor. ITV were completely responsible for setting the bar to live qualifying coverage, informed and deep pre and post analysis.  

Lets not forget that Rosenthal and Ryder are exceptionally good, established and experienced sports presenters.  Goodman and Allen know the sport inside out with decades of being involved in the sport. I cannot say the same for Humphries and McKenzie.  

Many people posting should watch French, Spanish and Italian coverage of the sport to see what happens when you put pretty people that know nothing about the sport.  

Good work ITV.  With the BBC, we may be heading for Eurotrash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better the devil you know.  As many people have mentioned, BBC coverage may not have had adverts but please remember, it was poor, poor, poor. ITV were completely responsible for setting the bar to live qualifying coverage, informed and deep pre and post analysis.  </p>
<p>Lets not forget that Rosenthal and Ryder are exceptionally good, established and experienced sports presenters.  Goodman and Allen know the sport inside out with decades of being involved in the sport. I cannot say the same for Humphries and McKenzie.  </p>
<p>Many people posting should watch French, Spanish and Italian coverage of the sport to see what happens when you put pretty people that know nothing about the sport.  </p>
<p>Good work ITV.  With the BBC, we may be heading for Eurotrash.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cheadle</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/10/29/itv-f1-goodbye-or-good-riddance/comment-page-6/#comment-223437</link>
		<dc:creator>David Cheadle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the way the bbc have a good idea of when things go bad, give it a few years break and get it back when it&#039;s good again. Top Gear for example, They sold everything apart from the theme tune and name to channel5, getting rid of all the boring used car based nonsense led by quentin wilson and others. then just  brought the program back with a better coherence and good presenters. Im sure the F1 will be no different. 

But guys, The Chain era is long gone... Fleetwood Mac...Really? The BBC are trying to bring F1 to a much wider audience, Hamilton has been one of the main representatives in bringing f1 to the &#039;street&#039; and thats why now, the beeb are giving everything to get the coverage back. Hopefully they&#039;ll push some boundaries and not let some stupid mistakes ruin their brilliant output (Brand and Ross). 

They&#039;ll hopefully get the balance right. But it really is goodbye not good-riddence to ITV, I personally like the coverage, there&#039;s enough of it and its shown twice on days when we cant be bothered getting up at 5am. probably because ITV has no other decent output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way the bbc have a good idea of when things go bad, give it a few years break and get it back when it&#8217;s good again. Top Gear for example, They sold everything apart from the theme tune and name to channel5, getting rid of all the boring used car based nonsense led by quentin wilson and others. then just  brought the program back with a better coherence and good presenters. Im sure the F1 will be no different. </p>
<p>But guys, The Chain era is long gone&#8230; Fleetwood Mac&#8230;Really? The BBC are trying to bring F1 to a much wider audience, Hamilton has been one of the main representatives in bringing f1 to the &#8216;street&#8217; and thats why now, the beeb are giving everything to get the coverage back. Hopefully they&#8217;ll push some boundaries and not let some stupid mistakes ruin their brilliant output (Brand and Ross). </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll hopefully get the balance right. But it really is goodbye not good-riddence to ITV, I personally like the coverage, there&#8217;s enough of it and its shown twice on days when we cant be bothered getting up at 5am. probably because ITV has no other decent output.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a F1 fan and have been watching it since 1997. I feel it will be goodbye to ITV as they have done a superb job. I like having the breaks so that you could go to the loo if ness or get a drink, and personaly i dont think they have missed anything important, as they always show you a replay of anything inportant after the break. I just hope that the BBC can live up to what ITV have done and build on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a F1 fan and have been watching it since 1997. I feel it will be goodbye to ITV as they have done a superb job. I like having the breaks so that you could go to the loo if ness or get a drink, and personaly i dont think they have missed anything important, as they always show you a replay of anything inportant after the break. I just hope that the BBC can live up to what ITV have done and build on it.</p>
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