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	<title>Comments on: The teams: Williams, Honda, Force India &amp; Super Aguri (F1 2008)</title>
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		<title>By: Robert McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super Aguri killed off Super Aguri. It was never Honda&#039;s plan to continually feed money to SA forever - it was the fact that SA couldn&#039;t find reliable sponsors that killed them. Honda supported them more, and for longer, than was originally envisaged.

I too fear for Williams. They are the last proper racing team out there in F1 now, in the sense that they aren&#039;t manufacturer/large corporation-backed like the rest. Unfortunately that makes it difficult to compete. Eventually Force India&#039;s megabucks will count and Williams will be the slowest team, I fear. Their hopes must be pinned on either (A) the complete reconstruction of the sport (under the guise of &quot;cost-cutting&quot; etc.) which would give them a chance, or, maybe just as likely (B) the implosion of the sport as the manufacturers begin to drop out - either simply due to cost or due to Mosely&#039;s interfering to achieve (A).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Aguri killed off Super Aguri. It was never Honda&#8217;s plan to continually feed money to SA forever &#8211; it was the fact that SA couldn&#8217;t find reliable sponsors that killed them. Honda supported them more, and for longer, than was originally envisaged.</p>
<p>I too fear for Williams. They are the last proper racing team out there in F1 now, in the sense that they aren&#8217;t manufacturer/large corporation-backed like the rest. Unfortunately that makes it difficult to compete. Eventually Force India&#8217;s megabucks will count and Williams will be the slowest team, I fear. Their hopes must be pinned on either (A) the complete reconstruction of the sport (under the guise of &#8220;cost-cutting&#8221; etc.) which would give them a chance, or, maybe just as likely (B) the implosion of the sport as the manufacturers begin to drop out &#8211; either simply due to cost or due to Mosely&#8217;s interfering to achieve (A).</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabi - I&#039;m playing devil&#039;s advocate here, but Honda have won a race...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabi &#8211; I&#8217;m playing devil&#8217;s advocate here, but Honda have won a race&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honda are a joke, people hate Toyota but at least they can produce a reasonable car what have Honda ever done? Then they went ahead and killed off Super Aguri because they were better than them. Nick Fry and Honda killed off Super Aguri period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honda are a joke, people hate Toyota but at least they can produce a reasonable car what have Honda ever done? Then they went ahead and killed off Super Aguri because they were better than them. Nick Fry and Honda killed off Super Aguri period.</p>
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		<title>By: DG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have thought that Honda&#039;s problems are because they have too many chiefs, and not enough indians.
As a company, they appear to be well ahead of most rivals, yet the F1 team is trying to pull in too many directions at once - and Aguri&#039;s little plaything didn&#039;t help matters.
Perhaps Ross Brawn will be able to join the dots and square the circles within the management and the team itself. This will take time however - look how long it took to get Ferrari pointing in the right direction.
Button talks big but has never really shown that he has the capacity to do any more than go backwards in a race. Barichello I think would be providing lots more experience, but it still has to be used effectively by the team to get results.
Perhaps next year will see a reborn Honda back at the top of the grid, and maybe enough confidence later on to bring back SuperAguri too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought that Honda&#8217;s problems are because they have too many chiefs, and not enough indians.<br />
As a company, they appear to be well ahead of most rivals, yet the F1 team is trying to pull in too many directions at once &#8211; and Aguri&#8217;s little plaything didn&#8217;t help matters.<br />
Perhaps Ross Brawn will be able to join the dots and square the circles within the management and the team itself. This will take time however &#8211; look how long it took to get Ferrari pointing in the right direction.<br />
Button talks big but has never really shown that he has the capacity to do any more than go backwards in a race. Barichello I think would be providing lots more experience, but it still has to be used effectively by the team to get results.<br />
Perhaps next year will see a reborn Honda back at the top of the grid, and maybe enough confidence later on to bring back SuperAguri too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes , Oliver , no doubt it&#039;s not all Rubens&#039; fault , but I must basically stick to what I say above , furthermore Honda did not just employ him to drive only , all drivers who reach F1 can do that , they must have for his experience gained with the years at Ferrari , not to mention the switch to Bridgestone at the time , whom Ferrari had worked extensively with .Therefore they would have been listening intently to what he had to say. That&#039;s why I don&#039;t believe he is capable of assisting a team towards developing a winning car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes , Oliver , no doubt it&#8217;s not all Rubens&#8217; fault , but I must basically stick to what I say above , furthermore Honda did not just employ him to drive only , all drivers who reach F1 can do that , they must have for his experience gained with the years at Ferrari , not to mention the switch to Bridgestone at the time , whom Ferrari had worked extensively with .Therefore they would have been listening intently to what he had to say. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t believe he is capable of assisting a team towards developing a winning car.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jean,

Its doubtful Barrichello is responsible for Honda&#039;s downturn. Since the appointment of Nick Fry to head the team, there has been a progressive downward slide ever since. The win in Hungary of 06, could easily have gone to Pedro Delarosa had he not been fueled too heavily.
The first signs things were going awry at Honda was after the appointment of Gill de Ferran. It became a comical act, the team, and all we saw was a total loss of direction and purpose.

Barrichello coming to the team at this same time, also brought some confusion, though not necessarily through any fault of his, Honda was unable to harmonize the feedback from both of the drivers regarding the developmental direction the cars should take. Barrichello had an idea of what direction the  team should take, he had come from a multi championship winning team and thus had the requisite authority on a winning car&#039;s characteristics. However, Honda&#039;s engineers where unable to deliver on those tasks. It would seem like they were constantly moving back and forth between what each driver was suggesting and coming up with the worse compromise possible.

Barrichello with all his experience, should have been allowed to assume full authority in the development of the car, and Button providing some input. But with button being the lead driver and the one with whom Honda felt their immediate future rested on, they could not totally discount his own input.

In all, I still am of the belief that ultimate responsibility rests on the shoulders of Fry. He has not been able to get that team to work harmoniously. Granted, there was some resentment when Willis was sacked and Nakamoto was brought in. But I very much doubt that is the very reason why Honda is  under performing. A team cannot progress if there are lots of disgruntled workers. The head must always instill discipline.
As for Button, I am unable conclude that he really has the ability to motivate the team towards achieving anything. I may not have much doubt in his driving ability, where I do have concern is in his ambition.

Come next year, with all the regulation change. KERS aside, practically every external aerodynamic device or contraption has been stripped off the cars. The cars are going to be easier to design and build, no longer are there going to be complicated analysis of interactions between those winglets and paddles and vanes. Honda may yet find themselves able to compete effectively once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jean,</p>
<p>Its doubtful Barrichello is responsible for Honda&#8217;s downturn. Since the appointment of Nick Fry to head the team, there has been a progressive downward slide ever since. The win in Hungary of 06, could easily have gone to Pedro Delarosa had he not been fueled too heavily.<br />
The first signs things were going awry at Honda was after the appointment of Gill de Ferran. It became a comical act, the team, and all we saw was a total loss of direction and purpose.</p>
<p>Barrichello coming to the team at this same time, also brought some confusion, though not necessarily through any fault of his, Honda was unable to harmonize the feedback from both of the drivers regarding the developmental direction the cars should take. Barrichello had an idea of what direction the  team should take, he had come from a multi championship winning team and thus had the requisite authority on a winning car&#8217;s characteristics. However, Honda&#8217;s engineers where unable to deliver on those tasks. It would seem like they were constantly moving back and forth between what each driver was suggesting and coming up with the worse compromise possible.</p>
<p>Barrichello with all his experience, should have been allowed to assume full authority in the development of the car, and Button providing some input. But with button being the lead driver and the one with whom Honda felt their immediate future rested on, they could not totally discount his own input.</p>
<p>In all, I still am of the belief that ultimate responsibility rests on the shoulders of Fry. He has not been able to get that team to work harmoniously. Granted, there was some resentment when Willis was sacked and Nakamoto was brought in. But I very much doubt that is the very reason why Honda is  under performing. A team cannot progress if there are lots of disgruntled workers. The head must always instill discipline.<br />
As for Button, I am unable conclude that he really has the ability to motivate the team towards achieving anything. I may not have much doubt in his driving ability, where I do have concern is in his ambition.</p>
<p>Come next year, with all the regulation change. KERS aside, practically every external aerodynamic device or contraption has been stripped off the cars. The cars are going to be easier to design and build, no longer are there going to be complicated analysis of interactions between those winglets and paddles and vanes. Honda may yet find themselves able to compete effectively once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inclined to go with Tommy above , Honda seem to always promise far more than they can deliver , in last three years esp. I had some respect for Barrichello in the past , and even almost fell for the sorry story that he was &quot;made&quot; to be No. 2 at Ferrari , otherwise could have won the championship , but his inability to lead the Honda team towards steady progress , despite his vast experience gained by the time he joined Honda , now proves that he was in fact riding on Schumachers&#039; coat tails instead (no small wonder he apparently led the chorus of a song containing derogatory words against Schu. after the Brazil GP ?) . He is a good driver in a good car , but unfortunately that is where his talent seems to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inclined to go with Tommy above , Honda seem to always promise far more than they can deliver , in last three years esp. I had some respect for Barrichello in the past , and even almost fell for the sorry story that he was &#8220;made&#8221; to be No. 2 at Ferrari , otherwise could have won the championship , but his inability to lead the Honda team towards steady progress , despite his vast experience gained by the time he joined Honda , now proves that he was in fact riding on Schumachers&#8217; coat tails instead (no small wonder he apparently led the chorus of a song containing derogatory words against Schu. after the Brazil GP ?) . He is a good driver in a good car , but unfortunately that is where his talent seems to end.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Williams seem to be on the slippery slope, and very close to the cliff sadly. With most of their current sponsors in financial trouble, it&#039;s not hard to imagine their stock falling ever lower. It reminds me of Jordan, most recently. The same sort of decline, in around the same timeframe. As a Williams fan, it&#039;s getting hard for me to be optimistic about their chances next year, even if they provide a fast car for the first race.

Honda is a joke, what they did to Super Aguri (even starting it) is a bigger joke - but not funny.

Force India should be optimistic, but like Williams, they probably lack the resources to develop their Mclaren parts well during the year. Give them a couple of seasons and they might go somewhere with VJM&#039;s expansion plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Williams seem to be on the slippery slope, and very close to the cliff sadly. With most of their current sponsors in financial trouble, it&#8217;s not hard to imagine their stock falling ever lower. It reminds me of Jordan, most recently. The same sort of decline, in around the same timeframe. As a Williams fan, it&#8217;s getting hard for me to be optimistic about their chances next year, even if they provide a fast car for the first race.</p>
<p>Honda is a joke, what they did to Super Aguri (even starting it) is a bigger joke &#8211; but not funny.</p>
<p>Force India should be optimistic, but like Williams, they probably lack the resources to develop their Mclaren parts well during the year. Give them a couple of seasons and they might go somewhere with VJM&#8217;s expansion plans.</p>
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		<title>By: TommyBellingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>TommyBellingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honda to be good in 2009 - Biggest joke in F1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honda to be good in 2009 &#8211; Biggest joke in F1</p>
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		<title>By: Dan M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Honda gave up on development this year, if SA kept racing this year, and developing, they would have made Honda look even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Honda gave up on development this year, if SA kept racing this year, and developing, they would have made Honda look even worse.</p>
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