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	<title>Comments on: Red Bull buys back Toro Rosso &#8211; does it want STR&#8217;s Ferrari engines?</title>
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		<title>By: Melo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 03:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zplol</title>
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		<dc:creator>zplol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all about power plant consolidation...
Berger stated the team would probably not be competitive next year, and that&#039;s most likely because they won&#039;t be running a KERS. He pulled out before its too late. It allows them to cut on staff at both plants and still get something competitive. I can see both team running the same engine, gearbox and KERS at the beginning of 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all about power plant consolidation&#8230;<br />
Berger stated the team would probably not be competitive next year, and that&#8217;s most likely because they won&#8217;t be running a KERS. He pulled out before its too late. It allows them to cut on staff at both plants and still get something competitive. I can see both team running the same engine, gearbox and KERS at the beginning of 2010</p>
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		<title>By: ScuderiaToroFerrari4Eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScuderiaToroFerrari4Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just want to point out you made a mistake you said &quot; who arguably did a better dob&quot; i myself am a toro rosso fan and id be very annoyed if they lose the better engine to the a team and if redbull start bossing toro rosso around so that redbull can get ahead of toro rosso hopefully all goes well for the toro rosso team and next season i hope they will be right up there with the prancing horses and the mercedes guys 2009 looks to be quite a cracker even if the cars are as attractive as looking at a baboons backside</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just want to point out you made a mistake you said &#8221; who arguably did a better dob&#8221; i myself am a toro rosso fan and id be very annoyed if they lose the better engine to the a team and if redbull start bossing toro rosso around so that redbull can get ahead of toro rosso hopefully all goes well for the toro rosso team and next season i hope they will be right up there with the prancing horses and the mercedes guys 2009 looks to be quite a cracker even if the cars are as attractive as looking at a baboons backside</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure what to make of this byt this is intersting. My question? Dose anyone know if this violates the new Condord on Customer Cars. Considering that Red Bull Owns both teams can they put all there resourses in to both teams and have them run the same stuff? Anyone know that answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure what to make of this byt this is intersting. My question? Dose anyone know if this violates the new Condord on Customer Cars. Considering that Red Bull Owns both teams can they put all there resourses in to both teams and have them run the same stuff? Anyone know that answer?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why buy back Toro Rosso?

Ferrari engines? Possibly, the Italian powerplants certainly had an advantage over Renault at the end of 2008 if you believe Flavio Briatore. Although it does seem rather a very high price to pay, especially if there&#039;s to be some sort of engine equalisation for 2009. Although the 2009 Red Bull could be adapted reasonably easily it&#039;s still not ideal to change engine dimensions so late on - and there are also things like KERS to consider. With the design for 2009 so far advanced it would seem like a lot of disruption at high cost for very little benefit.

Access to some of STR&#039;s top personnel? Again, a very high price to pay and would it really require a change of ownership? Probably not, Red Bull could simply make the relevant people a better offer. Besides, slick F1 teams are not simply created by putting a load of good people in the same building overnight. It takes time and effort to ensure that the right people are doing the right job with the right support - and that they&#039;re all working together seamlessly. Just look at the first incarnation of BAR or Jaguar. Again, much disruption at high cost for little immediate benefit, if any.

Neither of the above would make STR a more appealing sale prospect - a team stripped of its best assets wouldn&#039;t be a particularly attractive prospect for any buyer.

Money? Probably. Sebastien Bourdais has suggested that STR is looking for extra cash for 2009, hence testing Takuma Sato who would presumably have come as a pay driver. If the rumours about Red Bull wanting Sebastian Buemi in the car for 2009 are true then perhaps the price was buying Gerhard Berger out of his stake. Sponsorship and/or financing isn&#039;t easy to come by at present and Berger probably wasn&#039;t in a position to fund it without dipping into his own cash.

I&#039;d be surprised to see a Red Bull-Ferrari on the grid for 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why buy back Toro Rosso?</p>
<p>Ferrari engines? Possibly, the Italian powerplants certainly had an advantage over Renault at the end of 2008 if you believe Flavio Briatore. Although it does seem rather a very high price to pay, especially if there&#8217;s to be some sort of engine equalisation for 2009. Although the 2009 Red Bull could be adapted reasonably easily it&#8217;s still not ideal to change engine dimensions so late on &#8211; and there are also things like KERS to consider. With the design for 2009 so far advanced it would seem like a lot of disruption at high cost for very little benefit.</p>
<p>Access to some of STR&#8217;s top personnel? Again, a very high price to pay and would it really require a change of ownership? Probably not, Red Bull could simply make the relevant people a better offer. Besides, slick F1 teams are not simply created by putting a load of good people in the same building overnight. It takes time and effort to ensure that the right people are doing the right job with the right support &#8211; and that they&#8217;re all working together seamlessly. Just look at the first incarnation of BAR or Jaguar. Again, much disruption at high cost for little immediate benefit, if any.</p>
<p>Neither of the above would make STR a more appealing sale prospect &#8211; a team stripped of its best assets wouldn&#8217;t be a particularly attractive prospect for any buyer.</p>
<p>Money? Probably. Sebastien Bourdais has suggested that STR is looking for extra cash for 2009, hence testing Takuma Sato who would presumably have come as a pay driver. If the rumours about Red Bull wanting Sebastian Buemi in the car for 2009 are true then perhaps the price was buying Gerhard Berger out of his stake. Sponsorship and/or financing isn&#8217;t easy to come by at present and Berger probably wasn&#8217;t in a position to fund it without dipping into his own cash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be surprised to see a Red Bull-Ferrari on the grid for 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it legal for a single owner to have two teams on the grid? I am still ****** about the fact that Prodrive wasn&#039;t allowed on the grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it legal for a single owner to have two teams on the grid? I am still ****** about the fact that Prodrive wasn&#8217;t allowed on the grid.</p>
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		<title>By: sumedh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sumedh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than politics; I think it is to do with the recent downturn in world economy.

Looking from a buyer&#039;s point of view; He/She won&#039;t get a F1 team at a cheaper cost than now, because of the liquidity crunch.

Also; everything seems to be falling into Vettel&#039;s hands now. Chance to make the car fully suitable to himself; thanks to an injured team-mate. Personnel from the STR team as well now. And possibly the Ferrari engines too. He should be a major force next year; I reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than politics; I think it is to do with the recent downturn in world economy.</p>
<p>Looking from a buyer&#8217;s point of view; He/She won&#8217;t get a F1 team at a cheaper cost than now, because of the liquidity crunch.</p>
<p>Also; everything seems to be falling into Vettel&#8217;s hands now. Chance to make the car fully suitable to himself; thanks to an injured team-mate. Personnel from the STR team as well now. And possibly the Ferrari engines too. He should be a major force next year; I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Collantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berger not sure about &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the future of the team&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;The new rules leave no room for improvement for a small team as STR. Also, Dietrich&#039;s interest will focus on Red Bull Racing, therefore the support for STR will become smaller and prevent the team from improving further from sixth. I don&#039;t want to decline, that is not in my nature.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berger not sure about <a target="_blank" href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72253" rel="nofollow">the future of the team</a>:<br />
<blockquote>The new rules leave no room for improvement for a small team as STR. Also, Dietrich&#8217;s interest will focus on Red Bull Racing, therefore the support for STR will become smaller and prevent the team from improving further from sixth. I don&#8217;t want to decline, that is not in my nature.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Lustigson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lustigson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very curious about Mateschitz&#039;s plans for both his teams. It would make sense to switch the Ferrari engines to the mother team, but it&#039;s unknown whether the Renault engines will be better compared to Ferrari&#039;s with the FIA opting for engine equalisation.

I also wonder what Gerhard Berger&#039;s position will be... if any at all.

About it being too late for Red Bull to switch engines, that&#039;s probably not true, since Adrian Newey will design the RB5/STR4 for both engines anyway.

Off-topic: talk about reading stuff out of context: I read the following phrase when scanning the article... :D

&lt;blockquote&gt;Renault is to take over Toro Rosso&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very curious about Mateschitz&#8217;s plans for both his teams. It would make sense to switch the Ferrari engines to the mother team, but it&#8217;s unknown whether the Renault engines will be better compared to Ferrari&#8217;s with the FIA opting for engine equalisation.</p>
<p>I also wonder what Gerhard Berger&#8217;s position will be&#8230; if any at all.</p>
<p>About it being too late for Red Bull to switch engines, that&#8217;s probably not true, since Adrian Newey will design the RB5/STR4 for both engines anyway.</p>
<p>Off-topic: talk about reading stuff out of context: I read the following phrase when scanning the article&#8230; <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Renault is to take over Toro Rosso</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ceedas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceedas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oliver,

I was suggesting that it&#039;s a bit late to switch engines, given that the cars for next year are already in production. Sure, the RBR and STR have effectively the same car, but the installation of the engine and KERS will vary, and I think to consider switching engines at this stage would be something of a handicap for next year, especially as testing is about to be drastically reduced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oliver,</p>
<p>I was suggesting that it&#8217;s a bit late to switch engines, given that the cars for next year are already in production. Sure, the RBR and STR have effectively the same car, but the installation of the engine and KERS will vary, and I think to consider switching engines at this stage would be something of a handicap for next year, especially as testing is about to be drastically reduced.</p>
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