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> <channel><title>Comments on: F1 2009: New rules at a glance</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:01:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: qazuhb</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242976</link> <dc:creator>qazuhb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242976</guid> <description>Any clues about kers and adjustable flaps being used in the pre-season testing by any team(s) ?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any clues about kers and adjustable flaps being used in the pre-season testing by any team(s) ?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242971</link> <dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:37:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242971</guid> <description>@Adrian:
I wasn&#039;t aware of that...  in my comprehension top speed depended on a balance of aerodynamic drag and power, so there should be a top speed gain by KERS.On the other hand: The gear ratio might have to be adjusted to avoid hitting the rev limiter. So there would be a acceleration disadvantage for the parts of the track where you don&#039;t use KERS...Maybe I&#039;m wrong, just my 2 cents...@Keith: Thanks for the interesting summary.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian:<br
/> I wasn&#8217;t aware of that&#8230;  in my comprehension top speed depended on a balance of aerodynamic drag and power, so there should be a top speed gain by KERS.</p><p>On the other hand: The gear ratio might have to be adjusted to avoid hitting the rev limiter. So there would be a acceleration disadvantage for the parts of the track where you don&#8217;t use KERS&#8230;</p><p>Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, just my 2 cents&#8230;</p><p>@Keith: Thanks for the interesting summary.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrickl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242961</link> <dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:23:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242961</guid> <description>KERS only kicks in when the car is doing at least 100km/h.Should be fun to see some of the cars all of a sudden pull away from the others.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KERS only kicks in when the car is doing at least 100km/h.</p><p>Should be fun to see some of the cars all of a sudden pull away from the others.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Spot</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242945</link> <dc:creator>Spot</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:51:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242945</guid> <description>If the new rules work the way I believe they are supposed to, then the slipstream effect should come into operation to hand the advantage back to the following car.Slipstreaming is something that has fallen of the F1 fan&#039;s vocabulary over the past couple of decades because the aerodynamics-influenced era has negated it due to the &quot;dirty&quot; air thrown up by the leading car.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the new rules work the way I believe they are supposed to, then the slipstream effect should come into operation to hand the advantage back to the following car.</p><p>Slipstreaming is something that has fallen of the F1 fan&#8217;s vocabulary over the past couple of decades because the aerodynamics-influenced era has negated it due to the &#8220;dirty&#8221; air thrown up by the leading car.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adrian</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242944</link> <dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:39:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242944</guid> <description>Should probably add that a car with KERS won&#039;t have a higher top speed than a non-KERS car. They&#039;ll just accelerate faster (in theory) but will still have their top speed limited by the Rev Limiter...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should probably add that a car with KERS won&#8217;t have a higher top speed than a non-KERS car. They&#8217;ll just accelerate faster (in theory) but will still have their top speed limited by the Rev Limiter&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adrian</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242935</link> <dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:06:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242935</guid> <description>&quot;I’m not sure why they felt it was necessary to limit adjustments to only twice a lap. It seems like they are creating a monitoring headache for themselves (FIA &amp; teams), and what is the penalty for a third adjustment.&quot;Actually with the standard ECU it shouldn&#039;t be that hard to control or monitor. For starters the ECU can be programmed so that it is not possible to adjust it more than twice a lap and secondly, it will also record when it is used...My question is, is it an either or scenario - ie the wing is either at x degrees or y degrees - where the driver simply pushes a button, or is it a constantly variable approach - where the driver would have a dial to adjust the flap between the 2 limits...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not sure why they felt it was necessary to limit adjustments to only twice a lap. It seems like they are creating a monitoring headache for themselves (FIA &amp; teams), and what is the penalty for a third adjustment.&#8221;</p><p>Actually with the standard ECU it shouldn&#8217;t be that hard to control or monitor. For starters the ECU can be programmed so that it is not possible to adjust it more than twice a lap and secondly, it will also record when it is used&#8230;</p><p>My question is, is it an either or scenario &#8211; ie the wing is either at x degrees or y degrees &#8211; where the driver simply pushes a button, or is it a constantly variable approach &#8211; where the driver would have a dial to adjust the flap between the 2 limits&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242925</link> <dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:40:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242925</guid> <description>Nothing that I can remember in those years. Races tend not to be stopped much in recent years - even at Monza in 2000, where a marshall was killed after several cars collided at the second chicane, the race wasn&#039;t stopped.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing that I can remember in those years. Races tend not to be stopped much in recent years &#8211; even at Monza in 2000, where a marshall was killed after several cars collided at the second chicane, the race wasn&#8217;t stopped.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: todd</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242911</link> <dc:creator>todd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:00:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242911</guid> <description>6 seconds per lap for kers, can you use 3+3? 3 seconds in 2 different parts of the lap?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 seconds per lap for kers, can you use 3+3? 3 seconds in 2 different parts of the lap?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fer no.65</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242898</link> <dc:creator>Fer no.65</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:39:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242898</guid> <description>&quot;The pit lane speed limit in qualifying and the race has been raised from 80kph (49.7mph) to 100kph (62.1mph).&quot;is this alright?... wasn&#039;t that already changed few years ago?...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The pit lane speed limit in qualifying and the race has been raised from 80kph (49.7mph) to 100kph (62.1mph).&#8221;</p><p>is this alright?&#8230; wasn&#8217;t that already changed few years ago?&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mikkowl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242897</link> <dc:creator>Mikkowl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:38:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242897</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to help much for overtaking. If you use the flap on the straight to overtake, what&#039;s to stop the car you try to overtake from using it at the same time?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to help much for overtaking. If you use the flap on the straight to overtake, what&#8217;s to stop the car you try to overtake from using it at the same time?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dmw</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242896</link> <dc:creator>dmw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:27:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242896</guid> <description>The wing flap movement seems as portentious as KERS.  I think the idea is to create a push-to-pass effect on the main straight. Down on the straight, back up again for turn 1.  I wonder if it would be a better way to improve performance over a stint by (also) making small movements in the flap to adjust balance for different parts of the track or to deal with tire wear or changes in track conditions, or all of the above at once.  This would have to be carefully analyzed before hand and skillfully used in the cockpit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wing flap movement seems as portentious as KERS.  I think the idea is to create a push-to-pass effect on the main straight. Down on the straight, back up again for turn 1.  I wonder if it would be a better way to improve performance over a stint by (also) making small movements in the flap to adjust balance for different parts of the track or to deal with tire wear or changes in track conditions, or all of the above at once.  This would have to be carefully analyzed before hand and skillfully used in the cockpit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242891</link> <dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:21:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242891</guid> <description>Where can I read more about the adjustable front wing? Seems like something rather unsafe for the &#039;safe conscious&#039; FIA to put in place. But at least it is a good idea.The pit limit increase is also a positive change, as is the increase in cameras per car. I could do without the rest, and the extra steward without a tie-breaking vote is pretty pointless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I read more about the adjustable front wing? Seems like something rather unsafe for the &#8217;safe conscious&#8217; FIA to put in place. But at least it is a good idea.</p><p>The pit limit increase is also a positive change, as is the increase in cameras per car. I could do without the rest, and the extra steward without a tie-breaking vote is pretty pointless.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Reynolds</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242889</link> <dc:creator>Chris Reynolds</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242889</guid> <description>Hey Kieth, how about the 85 HP of KERS??? Who do you think will make the most passes for the season due to just that?
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2009/3/9035.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kieth, how about the 85 HP of KERS??? Who do you think will make the most passes for the season due to just that?<br
/> <a
href="http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2009/3/9035.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2009/3/9035.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mikkowl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242878</link> <dc:creator>Mikkowl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242878</guid> <description>If the front wing was adjustable all the time then all the teams and drivers would lower downforce between the corners to get less drag and higher speed. Really messy and hard to juggle while also driving at the same time.The adjustable wing will probably be lowered on the main straight by all the teams I imagine, at the same time they use the KERS each lap. Then when braking from it, they flip it back to normal setting.The real idea behind adjustable wing was probably in use for certain overtaking (less drag on straight = higher speed. Or when following very close, get some extra downforce).Either way the aero changes already allow them to follow much closer than before.With all the technical stuff now, closer this and that, I&#039;m sure there&#039;ll be much more driver errors.. and spectacular crashes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the front wing was adjustable all the time then all the teams and drivers would lower downforce between the corners to get less drag and higher speed. Really messy and hard to juggle while also driving at the same time.</p><p>The adjustable wing will probably be lowered on the main straight by all the teams I imagine, at the same time they use the KERS each lap. Then when braking from it, they flip it back to normal setting.</p><p>The real idea behind adjustable wing was probably in use for certain overtaking (less drag on straight = higher speed. Or when following very close, get some extra downforce).</p><p>Either way the aero changes already allow them to follow much closer than before.</p><p>With all the technical stuff now, closer this and that, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;ll be much more driver errors.. and spectacular crashes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Damon</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242876</link> <dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:50:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242876</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Tim:&lt;/strong&gt; I think you’re referring to the 1987 Austrian GP which was restarted twice&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I remember somehing newer. It must&#039;ve been somewhere in the years 1998-2002.
Perhaps was it at Monza, with the old first shicane being responsible for so much trouble at the start?
Hmmm...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Tim:</strong> I think you’re referring to the 1987 Austrian GP which was restarted twice</p></blockquote><p>No, I remember somehing newer. It must&#8217;ve been somewhere in the years 1998-2002.<br
/> Perhaps was it at Monza, with the old first shicane being responsible for so much trouble at the start?<br
/> Hmmm&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mikkowl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242875</link> <dc:creator>Mikkowl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:46:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242875</guid> <description>A lot of you people are confused about KERS. Here&#039;s clarifications:- KERS cars weigh as much as cars without KERS.- The difference is that without KERS, engineers have more ballast weights to place (as none is taken up by KERS) which can balance the car better.- So the difference is that KERS cars might have slightly worse balance (center of gravity + front/rear balance) but get more power for about 6 seconds each lap.- KERS will probably be used in the same way by all the teams every lap, meaning probably when coming onto some long straight where top speed is important. Kind of lame actually. It would be cooler if it was limited to X amount of times each race.- KERS won&#039;t make any difference at starts because of a lack of traction. Cars can&#039;t even use their normal max power going so slow. They spin their rear wheels even in the mid gears. They need higher speeds with downforce and get in a higher gear (higher gear = torque multiplication = less strong pull) to be able to use max power.---I wonder how they will &#039;pre charge&#039; the Williams vacuum enclosed carbon disc up to a few hundred thousand RPMs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of you people are confused about KERS. Here&#8217;s clarifications:</p><p>- KERS cars weigh as much as cars without KERS.</p><p>- The difference is that without KERS, engineers have more ballast weights to place (as none is taken up by KERS) which can balance the car better.</p><p>- So the difference is that KERS cars might have slightly worse balance (center of gravity + front/rear balance) but get more power for about 6 seconds each lap.</p><p>- KERS will probably be used in the same way by all the teams every lap, meaning probably when coming onto some long straight where top speed is important. Kind of lame actually. It would be cooler if it was limited to X amount of times each race.</p><p>- KERS won&#8217;t make any difference at starts because of a lack of traction. Cars can&#8217;t even use their normal max power going so slow. They spin their rear wheels even in the mid gears. They need higher speeds with downforce and get in a higher gear (higher gear = torque multiplication = less strong pull) to be able to use max power.</p><p>&#8212;</p><p>I wonder how they will &#8216;pre charge&#8217; the Williams vacuum enclosed carbon disc up to a few hundred thousand RPMs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Negative Camber</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242873</link> <dc:creator>Negative Camber</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:42:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242873</guid> <description>Keith,Let me just say what a terrific recap this is.  I was looking for one the other day for our Preview show tonight and you have done a mans job Sir!  Of course I have come to expect no less from you..a pro in every sense of the word.  Cheers mate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p><p>Let me just say what a terrific recap this is.  I was looking for one the other day for our Preview show tonight and you have done a mans job Sir!  Of course I have come to expect no less from you..a pro in every sense of the word.  Cheers mate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hounslow</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242867</link> <dc:creator>Hounslow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242867</guid> <description>Tim, thank you. Your memory is infinitely better than mine!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thank you. Your memory is infinitely better than mine!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242850</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242850</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you think BMW Sauber will be using the BMW iDrive system? HA HA!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Drove a 5 Series with that the other day, very classy. But I digress...I&#039;ve not seen anything in the rules about them &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;being allowed to use KERS in qualifying (or practice, for that matter), so no reason to assume they wouldn&#039;t be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you think BMW Sauber will be using the BMW iDrive system? HA HA!</p></blockquote><p>Drove a 5 Series with that the other day, very classy. But I digress&#8230;</p><p>I&#8217;ve not seen anything in the rules about them <em>not </em>being allowed to use KERS in qualifying (or practice, for that matter), so no reason to assume they wouldn&#8217;t be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/22/f1-2009-new-rules-at-a-glance/comment-page-1/#comment-242849</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19293#comment-242849</guid> <description>The Williams-style flywheel one is about 25kg: &lt;a href=&quot;k/2009/01/11/kers-explained-how-a-mechanical-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-works/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KERS explained: how a mechanical Kinetic Energy Recovery System works&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Williams-style flywheel one is about 25kg: <a
href="k/2009/01/11/kers-explained-how-a-mechanical-kinetic-energy-recovery-system-works/" rel="nofollow">KERS explained: how a mechanical Kinetic Energy Recovery System works</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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