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> <channel><title>Comments on: Williams makes point with protest</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:55:15 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Zej</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-245620</link> <dc:creator>Zej</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-245620</guid> <description>Has anyone actually seen the offending diffuser?Everyone is talking about it, but there have been no actual pictures of graphics of the offending diffuser.Has anyone seen it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone actually seen the offending diffuser?</p><p>Everyone is talking about it, but there have been no actual pictures of graphics of the offending diffuser.</p><p>Has anyone seen it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sasquatsch</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-245321</link> <dc:creator>Sasquatsch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:31:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-245321</guid> <description>Everybody seems to be forgetting that Williams diffuser was declared legal by the FIA more than a year ago, according to Sam Michaels.And if that is the case it would seem strange that the FIA would now declare the diffuser illegal, just because some teams think that it is against the spirit of the rules. If that was the case the FIA would not have allowed the diffuser a year ago, I would think.Or am I a bit naive in my thinking here? :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody seems to be forgetting that Williams diffuser was declared legal by the FIA more than a year ago, according to Sam Michaels.</p><p>And if that is the case it would seem strange that the FIA would now declare the diffuser illegal, just because some teams think that it is against the spirit of the rules. If that was the case the FIA would not have allowed the diffuser a year ago, I would think.</p><p>Or am I a bit naive in my thinking here? <img
src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DGR-F1</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-245306</link> <dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:40:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-245306</guid> <description>So I take it that in the interests of &#039;the show&#039; and entertainment value (ie dollars), Max and the FIA would prefer to see cars on slick tyres and less downforce, therefore less drivable and more unstable, as both the Ferraris and McLarens were this weekend, than cars which are stable and have more downforce as the Brawns, Toyotas and Williams were.
This is crazy. Even from a safety aspect a stabler car is better than an undrivable one!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take it that in the interests of &#8216;the show&#8217; and entertainment value (ie dollars), Max and the FIA would prefer to see cars on slick tyres and less downforce, therefore less drivable and more unstable, as both the Ferraris and McLarens were this weekend, than cars which are stable and have more downforce as the Brawns, Toyotas and Williams were.<br
/> This is crazy. Even from a safety aspect a stabler car is better than an undrivable one!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-245086</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:29:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-245086</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Flavio has more faces than an 8 sided clock&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nicely put!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Flavio has more faces than an 8 sided clock</p></blockquote><p>Nicely put!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Achilles</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-245081</link> <dc:creator>Achilles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:22:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-245081</guid> <description>Flavio has more faces than an 8 sided clock, he is just mad that his guys did&#039;nt come up with the same ideas, if(or when) Renault pull out of F1 the only way he will go up in my estimation is if he dips in his pockets and OWNS a team rather than running one, then we&#039;ll see if he has the kind of cojones that Braun has shown....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flavio has more faces than an 8 sided clock, he is just mad that his guys did&#8217;nt come up with the same ideas, if(or when) Renault pull out of F1 the only way he will go up in my estimation is if he dips in his pockets and OWNS a team rather than running one, then we&#8217;ll see if he has the kind of cojones that Braun has shown&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MacademiaNut</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244675</link> <dc:creator>MacademiaNut</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244675</guid> <description>It is ridiculous of Flavio to say that they wanted slower cars.  Why would you force yourself to have slower cars?I think the right way to look at is add additional constraints and challenge the teams to race as fast as they can within those constraints.  Given more constraints, it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that the car must be slower than last year&#039;s.If what Flavio were to say is true, then why give the teams KERS?  Doesn&#039;t that allow the teams to go faster than if KERS was not there?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ridiculous of Flavio to say that they wanted slower cars.  Why would you force yourself to have slower cars?</p><p>I think the right way to look at is add additional constraints and challenge the teams to race as fast as they can within those constraints.  Given more constraints, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the car must be slower than last year&#8217;s.</p><p>If what Flavio were to say is true, then why give the teams KERS?  Doesn&#8217;t that allow the teams to go faster than if KERS was not there?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MacademiaNut</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244674</link> <dc:creator>MacademiaNut</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244674</guid> <description>I agree.  I would like to have one year of Racing where the stewards or the court doesn&#039;t decide the winner.  Let&#039;s decide the WDC &amp; WCC on the track pls!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I would like to have one year of Racing where the stewards or the court doesn&#8217;t decide the winner.  Let&#8217;s decide the WDC &amp; WCC on the track pls!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MacademiaNut</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244672</link> <dc:creator>MacademiaNut</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:18:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244672</guid> <description>The three teams were not represented in *some* meeting when the rules were discussed (read it somewhere, will try to dig up the link) -- Toyota, Honda (Brawn), and Williams.So, Flavio could be correct that the intent of the rule is to reduce the downforce.  But, the problem is that the rule does not say &quot;the downforce should be lower than last year&quot;, it says that this is how the structure should be (which we are sure will lead to a lower downforce).  But, it turns out that&#039;s not the case.Ferrari, of all teams, should not be complaining about these &quot;interpretations&quot;.  When clearly all movable parts were not allowed, their side pods were moving say to much last year.  This year, the side mirrors have the same issue.I think Williams made a great point here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three teams were not represented in *some* meeting when the rules were discussed (read it somewhere, will try to dig up the link) &#8212; Toyota, Honda (Brawn), and Williams.</p><p>So, Flavio could be correct that the intent of the rule is to reduce the downforce.  But, the problem is that the rule does not say &#8220;the downforce should be lower than last year&#8221;, it says that this is how the structure should be (which we are sure will lead to a lower downforce).  But, it turns out that&#8217;s not the case.</p><p>Ferrari, of all teams, should not be complaining about these &#8220;interpretations&#8221;.  When clearly all movable parts were not allowed, their side pods were moving say to much last year.  This year, the side mirrors have the same issue.</p><p>I think Williams made a great point here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sumedh</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244666</link> <dc:creator>sumedh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244666</guid> <description>Deem the double decker diffuser as legal.And add an extra testing window of 3-4 days sometime before the European leg starts. Everybody will copy it; and the play field will be even.Its a simple solution. Please don&#039;t change the results of the Australian GP 3 weeks after it is over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deem the double decker diffuser as legal.</p><p>And add an extra testing window of 3-4 days sometime before the European leg starts. Everybody will copy it; and the play field will be even.</p><p>Its a simple solution. Please don&#8217;t change the results of the Australian GP 3 weeks after it is over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paige</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244664</link> <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244664</guid> <description>Briatore should croak. If he had his way, F1 would be a fashion show.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briatore should croak. If he had his way, F1 would be a fashion show.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cameron</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244629</link> <dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244629</guid> <description>I would much rather see the rest of the grid develop their own similar diffusers, than see BrawnGP, Toyota, and Williams forced to take them off.This whole protest is just stupid. The FIA had better throw it out the window.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much rather see the rest of the grid develop their own similar diffusers, than see BrawnGP, Toyota, and Williams forced to take them off.</p><p>This whole protest is just stupid. The FIA had better throw it out the window.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244625</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:59:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244625</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Because Renault claimed KERS was a waste of money doesn’t mean they didn’t spend it, they just thought it was a waste. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ferrari were similarly critical of KERS and they&#039;re running it now too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because Renault claimed KERS was a waste of money doesn’t mean they didn’t spend it, they just thought it was a waste.</p></blockquote><p>Ferrari were similarly critical of KERS and they&#8217;re running it now too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Oliver</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244624</link> <dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:41:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244624</guid> <description>Done with absolute class.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done with absolute class.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Toby Bushby</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244616</link> <dc:creator>Toby Bushby</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244616</guid> <description>What in the devil is Flavio talking about now?&lt;blockquote&gt;What happened here is that the three teams are going pretty clearly in the direction of downforce.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Um, derrrrr!How does this guy think his team won it&#039;s championships? By interpreting a new set of rules better than every other team in 2005, that&#039;s how. That was the year that the front wings were massively raised to cut downforce by supposedly 50% or something like that (which surely helped to create some overtaking problems), and the tyres had to last a race distance. His team managed to claw more of that lost downforce back than their competitors, and won both championships. That&#039;s how it&#039;s done. No wonder Renault are in the poo for the third season in a row - Flav&#039;s forgotten how the sport works!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What in the devil is Flavio talking about now?</p><blockquote><p>What happened here is that the three teams are going pretty clearly in the direction of downforce.</p></blockquote><p>Um, derrrrr!</p><p>How does this guy think his team won it&#8217;s championships? By interpreting a new set of rules better than every other team in 2005, that&#8217;s how. That was the year that the front wings were massively raised to cut downforce by supposedly 50% or something like that (which surely helped to create some overtaking problems), and the tyres had to last a race distance. His team managed to claw more of that lost downforce back than their competitors, and won both championships. That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s done. No wonder Renault are in the poo for the third season in a row &#8211; Flav&#8217;s forgotten how the sport works!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrickl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244608</link> <dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:28:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244608</guid> <description>But he&#039;s not an engineer. So &quot;doing a good job&quot; is not knowing all the technicalities of the design of the car.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he&#8217;s not an engineer. So &#8220;doing a good job&#8221; is not knowing all the technicalities of the design of the car.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ceedas</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244605</link> <dc:creator>ceedas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244605</guid> <description>Because Renault claimed KERS was a waste of money doesn&#039;t mean they didn&#039;t spend it, they just thought it was a waste.Anyway, what was the Williams protest about? If it was the turning vanes, then why not also protest Renault, Toyota, Toro Rosso, etc? Well, one obvious reason not to protest Toyota I suppose!It just feels wrong - Williams is a team I would normally put in the class above &quot;if you don&#039;t like our diffuser, we&#039;ll claim your car is illegal too&quot; - they gave loads of people an extra few hours of work for nothing. Either see the thing through or don&#039;t start counter-protesting in the first place.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Renault claimed KERS was a waste of money doesn&#8217;t mean they didn&#8217;t spend it, they just thought it was a waste.</p><p>Anyway, what was the Williams protest about? If it was the turning vanes, then why not also protest Renault, Toyota, Toro Rosso, etc? Well, one obvious reason not to protest Toyota I suppose!</p><p>It just feels wrong &#8211; Williams is a team I would normally put in the class above &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like our diffuser, we&#8217;ll claim your car is illegal too&#8221; &#8211; they gave loads of people an extra few hours of work for nothing. Either see the thing through or don&#8217;t start counter-protesting in the first place.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Avto</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244603</link> <dc:creator>Avto</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244603</guid> <description>I don&#039;t get it, sure I don&#039;t know as much about F1 as some of you guys, but mass damper by Renault was deemed legal by stewards at the German GP the same way the diffusers but later FIA ruled that it was infringement of Article 3.15 of the F1 regulations. Or the flexi-wings the Ferrari ones they would pass the inspection and were within the regulations sort of,  but they were banned, I mean even Brabham BT46 was legal at first. All of this tech solutions were declared illegal cuz&#039; they made the rest of the field really slow. So. why is BrawnGP diffuser special?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it, sure I don&#8217;t know as much about F1 as some of you guys, but mass damper by Renault was deemed legal by stewards at the German GP the same way the diffusers but later FIA ruled that it was infringement of Article 3.15 of the F1 regulations. Or the flexi-wings the Ferrari ones they would pass the inspection and were within the regulations sort of,  but they were banned, I mean even Brabham BT46 was legal at first. All of this tech solutions were declared illegal cuz&#8217; they made the rest of the field really slow. So. why is BrawnGP diffuser special?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sriram</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244591</link> <dc:creator>Sriram</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244591</guid> <description>...only that it&#039;ll be better if he stops going public and instead asks his engineers to read the rules from more angles.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;only that it&#8217;ll be better if he stops going public and instead asks his engineers to read the rules from more angles.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: F1Yankee</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244589</link> <dc:creator>F1Yankee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244589</guid> <description>i&#039;m under the impression that he&#039;s very good at his job.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m under the impression that he&#8217;s very good at his job.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: F1Yankee</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/28/williams-makes-point-with-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-244588</link> <dc:creator>F1Yankee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:35:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=19609#comment-244588</guid> <description>i would have thought they learned their lesson, after getting burned by the spirit of the rules for 2 years now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would have thought they learned their lesson, after getting burned by the spirit of the rules for 2 years now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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