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		<title>By: gut z</title>
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		<dc:creator>gut z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>silverstone

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		<title>By: con</title>
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		<dc:creator>con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it out on ds. I read on a different website it is but everyone else said its not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it out on ds. I read on a different website it is but everyone else said its not</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Pulliam</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/04/23/no-f1-game-from-codemasters-until-2010-%e2%80%93-unless-you%e2%80%99ve-got-a-wii-or-psp/comment-page-3/#comment-265028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Pulliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Codemasters&#039; initial psp screenshots for f1 2009 look splendid!  Really outstanding.  This must be viewed as a sign that the developers are half-way on the ball after all.  I&#039;m only too delighted to eat my words on this issue, and eagerly await the psp version&#039;s release.   I&#039;ll still be holding my breath that they&#039;ll get the shadows right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Codemasters&#8217; initial psp screenshots for f1 2009 look splendid!  Really outstanding.  This must be viewed as a sign that the developers are half-way on the ball after all.  I&#8217;m only too delighted to eat my words on this issue, and eagerly await the psp version&#8217;s release.   I&#8217;ll still be holding my breath that they&#8217;ll get the shadows right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yer i agree with this, they need to make sure they dnt do sonys poor mistake though with the stupid black and white flag penalty thing which slows you down. with sony&#039;s championship edition, u had to slow for like 6 seconds for running wide at a chicane and not even gaining time. they should do it so, if u do cut a corner and gain a position, you must give position back or get drive through penalty or something so that ur not, losing time for nothing.
they definitly need to make damage look good and be realistic, with cars taking time to be moved, and some parts of cars, dabrea (or however u spell it) left on track for some time, easy punctures could be picked up when u run over dabrea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yer i agree with this, they need to make sure they dnt do sonys poor mistake though with the stupid black and white flag penalty thing which slows you down. with sony&#8217;s championship edition, u had to slow for like 6 seconds for running wide at a chicane and not even gaining time. they should do it so, if u do cut a corner and gain a position, you must give position back or get drive through penalty or something so that ur not, losing time for nothing.<br />
they definitly need to make damage look good and be realistic, with cars taking time to be moved, and some parts of cars, dabrea (or however u spell it) left on track for some time, easy punctures could be picked up when u run over dabrea.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate it that im going to have to wait for another year and abit before i get a recent f1 game for the ps3, but, i think this is the best thing for codemasters to do. Bringing out 2009 for psp and wii, will help codemasters to have a guideline for making the 2010 game for the consoles that everyone wants it for (ps3, xbox, pc), as they will get feedback from customers as to what things are good about the game. so whether things like the way pits are done are good, so they can make it amazing for the other consoles.

Also i think it will be good for everyone awaiting this game as the fact that they are taking alot of time creating the game for the top consoles shows that they are putting alot of thought and effort into making the game so it will be fantastic as they have put time into making and developing it, giving us a better f1 experience. Saying this though, i think the 2009 game for psp and wii will be not so good, as its the first f1 game in the series, and therefore they will just be using it as a starter, and will not be taking it as seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate it that im going to have to wait for another year and abit before i get a recent f1 game for the ps3, but, i think this is the best thing for codemasters to do. Bringing out 2009 for psp and wii, will help codemasters to have a guideline for making the 2010 game for the consoles that everyone wants it for (ps3, xbox, pc), as they will get feedback from customers as to what things are good about the game. so whether things like the way pits are done are good, so they can make it amazing for the other consoles.</p>
<p>Also i think it will be good for everyone awaiting this game as the fact that they are taking alot of time creating the game for the top consoles shows that they are putting alot of thought and effort into making the game so it will be fantastic as they have put time into making and developing it, giving us a better f1 experience. Saying this though, i think the 2009 game for psp and wii will be not so good, as its the first f1 game in the series, and therefore they will just be using it as a starter, and will not be taking it as seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Pulliam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Pulliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the excuse-making begins...

  NONE of the machines mentioned previously are the gating item that&#039;s holding the release up -- what&#039;s caused the delay is just one more over-promising, under-delivering software vendor who cynically and dishonestly jerks its potential customers around.

ANY of the machines listed above are up to the task.  The Wii-based  &quot;Indianapolis 500 legends&quot;, as just one example, puts 33 cars on the track at the same time, and they&#039;re better-looking cars than anything codemasters has ever done, by far, and more realistic to boot, as they&#039;re digitized from the actual blueprints used to build the real cars.  Light &amp; shadow is similarly handled more accurately, and the track is better, though its sadly only one track that changes as the racing seasons go by...

The deficiencies of the PS2 Game Gran Turismo 4 are certainly irksome, but do not relate to the limitations of the processing power of the console, but rather the anal-retentiveness of the programmer, Polyphony, another vendor who has  ROUTINELY mislead its customer base regarding delivery dates, and has been doing this, in the case of the PSP version, for 4 years now, always supplying a raft of EXCUSES, rather than the promised product.

I think hitchcockm00&#039;s comments reveal an astonishing naivete.   The only thing more contemptible ( and annoying ) than a fanboy is an APOLOGIST for incompetent, dishonest software companies!!!

Morph the best 3 attributes of each of the folowing:
 Grand Prix Legends, Indy 500 Legends, F1 World Grand Prix, &amp; GT4 &amp; you&#039;ll
achieve nirvanha.  Wait for Codemasters to deliver on their F1 promises, and you&#039;ll just grow old and die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the excuse-making begins&#8230;</p>
<p>  NONE of the machines mentioned previously are the gating item that&#8217;s holding the release up &#8212; what&#8217;s caused the delay is just one more over-promising, under-delivering software vendor who cynically and dishonestly jerks its potential customers around.</p>
<p>ANY of the machines listed above are up to the task.  The Wii-based  &#8220;Indianapolis 500 legends&#8221;, as just one example, puts 33 cars on the track at the same time, and they&#8217;re better-looking cars than anything codemasters has ever done, by far, and more realistic to boot, as they&#8217;re digitized from the actual blueprints used to build the real cars.  Light &amp; shadow is similarly handled more accurately, and the track is better, though its sadly only one track that changes as the racing seasons go by&#8230;</p>
<p>The deficiencies of the PS2 Game Gran Turismo 4 are certainly irksome, but do not relate to the limitations of the processing power of the console, but rather the anal-retentiveness of the programmer, Polyphony, another vendor who has  ROUTINELY mislead its customer base regarding delivery dates, and has been doing this, in the case of the PSP version, for 4 years now, always supplying a raft of EXCUSES, rather than the promised product.</p>
<p>I think hitchcockm00&#8242;s comments reveal an astonishing naivete.   The only thing more contemptible ( and annoying ) than a fanboy is an APOLOGIST for incompetent, dishonest software companies!!!</p>
<p>Morph the best 3 attributes of each of the folowing:<br />
 Grand Prix Legends, Indy 500 Legends, F1 World Grand Prix, &amp; GT4 &amp; you&#8217;ll<br />
achieve nirvanha.  Wait for Codemasters to deliver on their F1 promises, and you&#8217;ll just grow old and die.</p>
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		<title>By: Alonso Follower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alonso Follower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that my statements were going to be controversial. Just a quick reflection on what people is saying. I stand by my initial assertion: the Wii lack of graphical power goes unnoticed unless you are seeing the final result on an HDTV.

Of course, F1 fanatics that have HDTVs can attest that. At HDTV resolutions, the Wii looks very bad in comparison with the PS3 and XBox.

However, those that think the difference in processing power is still relevant have to think in the following terms. Let&#039;s see:

- Standard TV res (720x576): 414,729 pixels
- Lowest HDTV res (1024x768): 786,432 pixels.

Those are not the actual resolutions of the images displayed by the consoles, but are good to get a rough idea of how much work the console has to perform to output a frame. You can see clearly that a PS3 or XBox needs to have DOUBLE the speed of the Wii to display the SAME image as a Wii at a standard resolution. Right?

PS3 and XBox games render in memory buffers at the highest resolution they suppport and then the hardware downscales the result. In the downscaling process you lose exactly all those details that are supposed to make the high-end consoles look better. Of course, to compose a frame at high resolution that takes advantage of that resolution you need textures with higher resolution and polygon models that have roughly double the number of polygons. But all those deatils will be lost at lower resolutions.

In general terms, it means that the Wii does not need more muscle to display a similar quality image than their counterparts at standard TV resolution. Again, if you are comparing an HDTV image with a standard TV one, yes, no questions, the HDTV is better provided that the image has been rendered at high resolution. Yes, ispalying a standard TV image in an HDTV looks awful because the TV is upscaling that, and even doing its best is not going to look good.

The only exception is the PS3 CPU, which in theory can achieve near supercomputer performance and again in theory could deeliver sophisticated game logic (character intelligence, etc) But no games today makes use of that because programming for this architecture is incredibly complex.

So by no means, if you&#039;re after image quality in your games, get a PS3 or XBox (the PS3 looks better) and a HDTV. Yes, it will look much better than the Wii, no questions there. However, if you have a standard TV, don0t get a PS3 or XBox thinking that it will look better than the Wii in general: that will depend on the game and the amount of care each developer has put on the graphics more than on the difference of graphics processing power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that my statements were going to be controversial. Just a quick reflection on what people is saying. I stand by my initial assertion: the Wii lack of graphical power goes unnoticed unless you are seeing the final result on an HDTV.</p>
<p>Of course, F1 fanatics that have HDTVs can attest that. At HDTV resolutions, the Wii looks very bad in comparison with the PS3 and XBox.</p>
<p>However, those that think the difference in processing power is still relevant have to think in the following terms. Let&#8217;s see:</p>
<p>- Standard TV res (720&#215;576): 414,729 pixels<br />
- Lowest HDTV res (1024&#215;768): 786,432 pixels.</p>
<p>Those are not the actual resolutions of the images displayed by the consoles, but are good to get a rough idea of how much work the console has to perform to output a frame. You can see clearly that a PS3 or XBox needs to have DOUBLE the speed of the Wii to display the SAME image as a Wii at a standard resolution. Right?</p>
<p>PS3 and XBox games render in memory buffers at the highest resolution they suppport and then the hardware downscales the result. In the downscaling process you lose exactly all those details that are supposed to make the high-end consoles look better. Of course, to compose a frame at high resolution that takes advantage of that resolution you need textures with higher resolution and polygon models that have roughly double the number of polygons. But all those deatils will be lost at lower resolutions.</p>
<p>In general terms, it means that the Wii does not need more muscle to display a similar quality image than their counterparts at standard TV resolution. Again, if you are comparing an HDTV image with a standard TV one, yes, no questions, the HDTV is better provided that the image has been rendered at high resolution. Yes, ispalying a standard TV image in an HDTV looks awful because the TV is upscaling that, and even doing its best is not going to look good.</p>
<p>The only exception is the PS3 CPU, which in theory can achieve near supercomputer performance and again in theory could deeliver sophisticated game logic (character intelligence, etc) But no games today makes use of that because programming for this architecture is incredibly complex.</p>
<p>So by no means, if you&#8217;re after image quality in your games, get a PS3 or XBox (the PS3 looks better) and a HDTV. Yes, it will look much better than the Wii, no questions there. However, if you have a standard TV, don0t get a PS3 or XBox thinking that it will look better than the Wii in general: that will depend on the game and the amount of care each developer has put on the graphics more than on the difference of graphics processing power.</p>
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		<title>By: Paradoxos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paradoxos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m about to get rFactor, but which and were to get good F1 Mods for it?

Any help? I&#039;m lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about to get rFactor, but which and were to get good F1 Mods for it?</p>
<p>Any help? I&#8217;m lost.</p>
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		<title>By: lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rfactor everyone. all the f1 gaming you need!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rfactor everyone. all the f1 gaming you need!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse_Nightshirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mouse_Nightshirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:

This a website with vague stats on sales of each console so far. The Wii has sold more than the 360 and PS3 combined.

http://www.nexgenwars.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:</p>
<p>This a website with vague stats on sales of each console so far. The Wii has sold more than the 360 and PS3 combined.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nexgenwars.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nexgenwars.com/</a></p>
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