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		<title>By: Girl Puppy Names</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girl Puppy Names</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like puppies. I just got one a week ago and it has not been trained yet and has bitten me a couple of times but its practically nothing to be concerned about, i can train it nicely. I hope :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like puppies. I just got one a week ago and it has not been trained yet and has bitten me a couple of times but its practically nothing to be concerned about, i can train it nicely. I hope <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Den</title>
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		<dc:creator>Den</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 10:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F1 born with one purpose 60 years ago, competition between manufacturers, everything was based on technological improves.

within years everything is changed and rule by rule the manufacturer have a lot less space to present new solution (or at least they can evolve only in the fields and with methods in a close standard the FIA impose).

Capping the budget to 45-50 M$ (ferrari last year spent 460M$) and adopt more strict standard on the engine means no more tech developing and less difference between the manufactures.
it&#039;s not bad per se but simply means a different kind of race, based not anymore on car developing but on the driver skill. 
So every one is rich enough can just buy an engine and start to race the F1 (most soccer team cost a lot more then 50M$) and doing that gain some visibility and even dream to start to sell cars on the market. [we can even have a MUTD or Real team race for F1]

car building experience and projecting facilities will no effect anymore the result of the race because with all the same amount of money to invest in research you will have pretty much same results (and even you will notice a difference between manufactures the evolving will be very slow).

F1 is wrong, you can&#039;t have two different winner at the same time, they have to choose:
 or car based (means no tech rule and open budget) or driver based (means all teams must have the same car or the same budget like the soccer teams play with the same ball, [and think that even the soccer team have open budget]).
Personally i&#039;d love to see two different race, in one i can follow my country paladin like we do in most sports (swimming, chess, karate, or whatever u want), in the other one we can enjoy an open budget and free rule car based race where ferrari and all other manufactures can improve theyr cars with billion of $.
the second one is the original meaning of F1 race, and is where all of us take advantage everyday having in our car tech solution invented just for F1 in the past 60 years to win the championship (everything that is in ur car for cheap price was developed with high cost by f1 team: abs, ebd, suspension, .... just name it).

In this kind of race i can follow any team i like, doesn&#039;t matter the nationality, i can enjoy the show just to look how they can improove the cars around only one ruel: fuel consumption
...i don&#039;t know i can imagine an electric veichle vs gasoline one, or perhaps a very sophisticated system of clutch and suspension, or a computer that adapt the &quot;shape&quot; of the car to improve speed and fuel consumption.

i think Ferrari made the right choice.
In a race where research doesn&#039;t matter anymore bcose all teams have the same budget and strictly tech rule,  they can&#039;t evolve too much so there is no space anymore for them. 
Ferrari build cars and they need/must to spend money on that to say we&#039;r better then the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F1 born with one purpose 60 years ago, competition between manufacturers, everything was based on technological improves.</p>
<p>within years everything is changed and rule by rule the manufacturer have a lot less space to present new solution (or at least they can evolve only in the fields and with methods in a close standard the FIA impose).</p>
<p>Capping the budget to 45-50 M$ (ferrari last year spent 460M$) and adopt more strict standard on the engine means no more tech developing and less difference between the manufactures.<br />
it&#8217;s not bad per se but simply means a different kind of race, based not anymore on car developing but on the driver skill.<br />
So every one is rich enough can just buy an engine and start to race the F1 (most soccer team cost a lot more then 50M$) and doing that gain some visibility and even dream to start to sell cars on the market. [we can even have a MUTD or Real team race for F1]</p>
<p>car building experience and projecting facilities will no effect anymore the result of the race because with all the same amount of money to invest in research you will have pretty much same results (and even you will notice a difference between manufactures the evolving will be very slow).</p>
<p>F1 is wrong, you can&#8217;t have two different winner at the same time, they have to choose:<br />
 or car based (means no tech rule and open budget) or driver based (means all teams must have the same car or the same budget like the soccer teams play with the same ball, [and think that even the soccer team have open budget]).<br />
Personally i&#8217;d love to see two different race, in one i can follow my country paladin like we do in most sports (swimming, chess, karate, or whatever u want), in the other one we can enjoy an open budget and free rule car based race where ferrari and all other manufactures can improve theyr cars with billion of $.<br />
the second one is the original meaning of F1 race, and is where all of us take advantage everyday having in our car tech solution invented just for F1 in the past 60 years to win the championship (everything that is in ur car for cheap price was developed with high cost by f1 team: abs, ebd, suspension, &#8230;. just name it).</p>
<p>In this kind of race i can follow any team i like, doesn&#8217;t matter the nationality, i can enjoy the show just to look how they can improove the cars around only one ruel: fuel consumption<br />
&#8230;i don&#8217;t know i can imagine an electric veichle vs gasoline one, or perhaps a very sophisticated system of clutch and suspension, or a computer that adapt the &#8220;shape&#8221; of the car to improve speed and fuel consumption.</p>
<p>i think Ferrari made the right choice.<br />
In a race where research doesn&#8217;t matter anymore bcose all teams have the same budget and strictly tech rule,  they can&#8217;t evolve too much so there is no space anymore for them.<br />
Ferrari build cars and they need/must to spend money on that to say we&#8217;r better then the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferrari have a great history in F1 but I think they have far too much sway and influence and seem to get conciderably more from the F1 money pie than is fair to the others.  

The question currently being asked by the media is &quot;can F1 survive without Ferrari&quot;.  I think an equally important question that needs to be asked is &quot;can Ferrari survive without F1&quot;?  Lets have a poll on this question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferrari have a great history in F1 but I think they have far too much sway and influence and seem to get conciderably more from the F1 money pie than is fair to the others.  </p>
<p>The question currently being asked by the media is &#8220;can F1 survive without Ferrari&#8221;.  I think an equally important question that needs to be asked is &#8220;can Ferrari survive without F1&#8243;?  Lets have a poll on this question&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Limit</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/05/01/f1-links-ferrari-vs-fia/comment-page-1/#comment-254152</link>
		<dc:creator>The Limit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the cracks in the Ferrari/FIA relationship started to appear last year following the Singapore race in which Montezemolo slated in public.
 Regardless, you have to be suspicious of change. The defuser row this year only highlights how easily rules can be exploited by teams. The now infamous split defuser used by Brawn Gp, Williams and Toyota, only add more air disturbance or wake behind the cars. The very thing the 09 cars were supposed to not do, in an effort to aid overtaking.
 Its not surprising in the least to see men like Montezemolo and Briatore complaining in public as they are getting their high profile backsides kicked. They are highly motivated, successfull people not used to tasting the dust of others.
 The problem for them is that, like it or not, the FIA will pass these new rules, and Ferrari and others will have to adapt. It is up to them how they want to go about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the cracks in the Ferrari/FIA relationship started to appear last year following the Singapore race in which Montezemolo slated in public.<br />
 Regardless, you have to be suspicious of change. The defuser row this year only highlights how easily rules can be exploited by teams. The now infamous split defuser used by Brawn Gp, Williams and Toyota, only add more air disturbance or wake behind the cars. The very thing the 09 cars were supposed to not do, in an effort to aid overtaking.<br />
 Its not surprising in the least to see men like Montezemolo and Briatore complaining in public as they are getting their high profile backsides kicked. They are highly motivated, successfull people not used to tasting the dust of others.<br />
 The problem for them is that, like it or not, the FIA will pass these new rules, and Ferrari and others will have to adapt. It is up to them how they want to go about this.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I loved the way Max slams the door in anyone&#039;s face who dares to consider alternative opinions other than his own.

For Luca to suggest they have an &quot;alternative&quot; arrangement with FOM and the FIA was dumb. Maybe THIS is the first sign of a crack in FOTA solidarity. Ferrari looking out for themselves, gee what a surprise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I loved the way Max slams the door in anyone&#8217;s face who dares to consider alternative opinions other than his own.</p>
<p>For Luca to suggest they have an &#8220;alternative&#8221; arrangement with FOM and the FIA was dumb. Maybe THIS is the first sign of a crack in FOTA solidarity. Ferrari looking out for themselves, gee what a surprise!</p>
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		<title>By: sasbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>sasbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is soooo interesting.

Would love to see (probably will not be intersted to see) an F1 championship without Ferrari.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74995

I wonder how much more interested the fans would be to se prodrive, etc instead of the real teams such as Ferrari, Williams, Mc Laren.

It is very dangarous for the FIA to not consider the teams with their huge fan base.  No teams means also no fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is soooo interesting.</p>
<p>Would love to see (probably will not be intersted to see) an F1 championship without Ferrari.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74995" rel="nofollow">http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74995</a></p>
<p>I wonder how much more interested the fans would be to se prodrive, etc instead of the real teams such as Ferrari, Williams, Mc Laren.</p>
<p>It is very dangarous for the FIA to not consider the teams with their huge fan base.  No teams means also no fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mussolini's Pet Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mussolini's Pet Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we know</p>
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		<title>By: Richard S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of b**$***s

Keith, perhaps a description next time in the link header.  

&quot;Warning - Tabloid garbage completely devoid of any factual information. Spewing and inciting hate.  Representative of the rotten underbelly of British jounalism (society).&quot;

OK.  You are right to let us know that this kind of stuff is out there, but at least allow us the choice of avoiding it next time!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of b**$***s</p>
<p>Keith, perhaps a description next time in the link header.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Warning &#8211; Tabloid garbage completely devoid of any factual information. Spewing and inciting hate.  Representative of the rotten underbelly of British jounalism (society).&#8221;</p>
<p>OK.  You are right to let us know that this kind of stuff is out there, but at least allow us the choice of avoiding it next time!!!</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Bernie says they should be charging the circuits less.

Well get on with it then. It&#039;s not upto the teams to decide what the circuits are charged.

If anyone in F1 should get paid less it&#039;s Bernie and the cvc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Bernie says they should be charging the circuits less.</p>
<p>Well get on with it then. It&#8217;s not upto the teams to decide what the circuits are charged.</p>
<p>If anyone in F1 should get paid less it&#8217;s Bernie and the cvc.</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments from Mosley and Ecclestone remind me so much of my brother.
His opinion is the only valid opinion in the world and he listens to no-one else, even they are making total sense.

This is just the same as messrs Mosley and Ecclestone. They come up with lame ideas and won&#039;t listen to anybody else&#039;s opinion. They are so blinkered in what they think formula one needs and always have done.

I am not totally against a budget cap. I do think £40 is maybe a little too low £60 may be better a pill to swallow for the big teams.

Having a 2 tier system in F1 will only make things worse.

And Bernie is again acting like a spoiled child with his wanting to give teams less money instead of more that they deserve.

The sooner we get to a more balance racing series the better in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments from Mosley and Ecclestone remind me so much of my brother.<br />
His opinion is the only valid opinion in the world and he listens to no-one else, even they are making total sense.</p>
<p>This is just the same as messrs Mosley and Ecclestone. They come up with lame ideas and won&#8217;t listen to anybody else&#8217;s opinion. They are so blinkered in what they think formula one needs and always have done.</p>
<p>I am not totally against a budget cap. I do think £40 is maybe a little too low £60 may be better a pill to swallow for the big teams.</p>
<p>Having a 2 tier system in F1 will only make things worse.</p>
<p>And Bernie is again acting like a spoiled child with his wanting to give teams less money instead of more that they deserve.</p>
<p>The sooner we get to a more balance racing series the better in my opinion.</p>
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