‘Most wins’ system confirmed for 2010

The world champion in 2010 will be the driver with the most wins

The world champion in 2010 will be the driver with the most wins

Contrary to what I wrote here yesterday, F1 will be using ‘most victories’ to decide the champion in 2010. Leahonard_e pulled me up for missing a crucial line in the new 2010 regulations:

The Formula One World Championship driver?s title will be awarded to the driver who has been classified first in the greatest number of races, all official results from the Championship season being taken into account. Points will be awarded to all drivers in accordance with Article 6.4 below and, in the event that two or more drivers win an equal number of races, the driver with the greatest number of points will be awarded the driver?s title.

Is the FIA doing the right thing by changing the F1 points system?

The rules for 2010 are starting to look a real headache. We’ve already got teams running to two different sets of technical rules depending on whether they’re competing under the budget cap or not.

And the FIA has confirmed the driver with the most points won’t necessarily be the world champion in 2010 – it will be the driver with the most wins.

It’s not clear from the regulations what the value of a win is in a shortened race. Was Jenson Button victory at Malaysia a ‘whole win’ or a ‘half-win’?

Will the new systen make much of a difference to the championship? And does it disprove the conspiracy theory that the FIA were never interested in introducing the ‘most wins’ system, and only proposed it to deflect attention from the budget cap?

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133 comments on ‘Most wins’ system confirmed for 2010

  1. Mike said on 4th May 2009, 13:33

    This is ridiculous. I really don’t see why the points can’t be upped for first place.

    Would this not have a similar effect to the ‘most wins’ rule but still award consistency and not alienate fans?

  2. YeaMon said on 4th May 2009, 13:47

    Last time I checked, you need consistency for a championship not just wins…

    Great job destroying F1. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it looks I’ve got to get back into the IRL..

  3. Richard said on 4th May 2009, 13:47

    What is up with the FIA, you are changing the very core of a sport which you are only in power for a few years, if FIFA came out tomorrow and said 10 points for a win and the first goal scored in a game wins the game do you think it would be allowed. No!

    But because max and bernie have the power they do they can run F1 as if it is theirs and it has to stop. The sport has always and will always be bigger than these two blokes and the sooner the teams and the race tracks realise this the sooner we get some proper racing back.

    Senna, Hill, Clark. Will be turning in their graves :(

  4. vincent said on 4th May 2009, 13:50

    fed up with a system that was only there to make money on the back of the riders, Terje Hakkonsen (the Michael Schumacher of snowboarding) went on to create his own snowboarding competitions, created by the riders, for the riders and judged by the riders.

    It won’t take a team but a driver like Shumacher or Alonso to go create another and better F1.

    That’s my humble opinion, and I’m eagerly waiting for it to happen.

  5. chaostheory said on 4th May 2009, 14:16

    Every time I hear about medals/most wins/budget capped two-tier formula (and so on…) the perspective of new series with Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and BMW is so tempting. But even if they think about it they wont do it in times of financial crisis, so we will be stuck with Mf1 for couple of years. Unless the teams will finally do something (but seems like they will need Ecclestones support).

  6. IDR said on 4th May 2009, 14:36

    The real problem what I see in all this new & re-edited rules, is that I’m afraid Max Mosley is not going to resign as he promised last year.

    On the other hand, why one should be worried by something that surely is going to change 100 times from now to May-June 2010?

    I don’t believe more in wich FIA says. If something has taught us FIA, is that everything can be changed even with the season started.

    Max Rufus Mosley an his Flying F1 Circus: Impossible is nothing!

  7. AnOldFormulaOneFan said on 4th May 2009, 14:41

    The cherry on the top of the cake…!

    KILL THOSE GUYS BEFORE THEY DESTROY FORMULA ONE FOR GOOD….!!!!

    A1GP RULES !!!

  8. Ronman said on 4th May 2009, 14:52

    “It’s not clear from the regulations what the value of a win is in a shortened race. Was Jenson Button victory at Malaysia a ‘whole win’ or a ‘half-win’?”
    I think that a whin is a win regardless of the laps covered.

    But in any case, I have a love hate relationship with this regulation. it’s only fare that the one that wins the most wins the championship but i can see scenarios where that would be unacceptable… I still prefer the increase of points attributed to the race winner so that the guy finishing second would try to take the lead and not contend with finishing second.

    Keith. you should start a poll about what system is best

    1- 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
    2- 11-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
    3- 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 (most wins wins…)

    • Leahonard_e said on 4th May 2009, 15:02

      To keep a 10-point win and 8 positions with points, what about this points system:
      10-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
      which would mean winer takes 10 points, and every one else gets from 1 to 7… going up one position means +1 point, but from 2nd to 1st is +3 points.

    • We probably want to also have a larger differential between 2nd and 3rd — otherwise, if the 1st-placed driver is off in the distance, 2nd and 3rd will just complacently go round lap after lap.

      The oldest 9-6-4-3-2-1 rule is a good starting point. Expanded to 8 places, we can have 18-12-8-6-4-3-2-1 or 15-10-7-5-4-3-2-1.

  9. Damon said on 4th May 2009, 15:11

    @ Leahonard_e
    YES!! This is it.
    10-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 Best proposition.

  10. Dougie said on 4th May 2009, 15:35

    I don’t know what was wrong with the FOTA proposal. To me it seems to fit the bill better than most.

    12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1

    I was quite favourable to Keiths idea of championship by finishing position (as opposed to just the winner). However the more I thought about it, I much prefer points systems, it is what F1 was created on and became what it is with. More points for the podium, even more points for the win, its the way forward.

  11. Leaf said on 4th May 2009, 15:36

    Freakin’ BS is what the “most wins” system is. The championship has always been, and always should be, based on a seasons worth of CONSISTANCY. Button could win the next 4 or 5 races in the calander, (next season), then DNF every race thereafter and win the championship. Thrilling!
    The two teir system is crap also. Make some rules that the fans, (the people who this sport is supposed to be about), want.
    It is becoming harder and harder for this 30 year fan to continue wanting to be a supporter of F1.

  12. Clay said on 4th May 2009, 15:44

    MotoGP has had the same point system for as long as I can remember and it has ALWAYS delivered the right champion (maybe with the exception of Nicky Hayden but there’s always one…).

    Points paid down to 15th, 25 for a win, 20 for second – it always rewards the ballsy rider who goes for the win. I can see the FIA’s point with the wins thing, I really can, but F1 is not MotoGP. In Moto the rider makes a massive difference to the performance of the bike – look at how Rossi changed Yamaha’s fortunes and the difference between Stoner and the other Ducati riders this year and last.

    In F1 the performance is almost totally dependent on the car, thus why we now see two guys in Button and Rubens who were languishing down the back last season all of a sudden up the front this season – their car is great relative to everyone else.

    Most wins would work in MotoGP but not in F1. There is not, and has never been, enough variety in winning cars. There were 5 winning cars in ’08 with 7 drivers winning a race. Of those only four won multiple rounds, and only two or three (I forget how many races Kimi won) winning more than two each. So instead of having both Ferrari drivers, Lewis and Kubica in the hunt up till Spa for example, we would have known by then that it was a 2 horse race. Then you have the stewards step in and cock it all up…

    No, Mosely and the FIA are very wrong on this one. Nice idea in theory, but in practice it won’t work. A bit like Communism really

    • Gman said on 5th May 2009, 23:27

      Great comparison- MotoGP dose many things very well that Bernie, Max, and their people would be wise to learn from.

  13. Moyletra said on 4th May 2009, 15:53

    It doesn’t really matter. The teams/drivers will adjust their strategies as necessary to win. It’s not valid to compare previous results with different rules.

    If the big two take leave and form a new series, they still need another ten teams to compete with … so that’s not going to happen.

    Two tier championship is short tern just like turbo/Cosworth era. After a couple of years everyone will move to the budget cap rule book. Staying outside the budget cap and Ferrari and Mclaren run the risk of going backwards.

  14. CroF1Fan said on 4th May 2009, 15:58

    1st of april was a month ago!

  15. Jess said on 4th May 2009, 16:07

    Well here we go again with this stuff. You know what I will still watch F1 next year. I dont agree with this but there are a lot of things in racing I dont agree with but I still watch. I hate to say it but some times we the fans have to suck it up and go out and support or drivers even if we dont like what the govering body comes up with. So lets just bear it and enjoy the rest of what is looking like a great 09 year.

  16. Damon said on 4th May 2009, 16:53

    No, imagine the point system was:
    10-4-9-3-8-2-5-1

    This would be fun!! They would overtake one another like crazy!

  17. David A said on 4th May 2009, 16:55

    Maybe 15-11-8-6-4-3-2-1?

  18. Damon said on 4th May 2009, 17:02

    David, no.

    Either this:
    10-4-9-3-8-2-5-1

    Or that one:
    12-1-10-1-8-1-6

    • Cameron said on 4th May 2009, 21:05

      So the guy in 3rd that has no chance of getting to 1st, but is right behind 2nd won’t bother to pass? But, in the mean time, the guy in 2nd is deliberately running wide and making mistakes to try and force the guy in 3rd place into 2nd so he ends up 3rd and takes an extra 9 points.

      I didn’t think it was possible, but that’s even more ludicrous that Max’s idea! lol

  19. Hallard said on 4th May 2009, 17:04

    I think its very unlikely that we’ll have any more championships decided in the last race under this ‘most wins’ system. I will certainly miss the late-season suspense and build up to the final race.

  20. Xibi said on 4th May 2009, 17:04

    This shows that Bernie and Max do not like FOTA as they fear for power. FOTA’s proposal was a very good one that is even better than the ones we currently have.

    So why is Forumula One digging its own grave?

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