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	<title>Comments on: F1 links: Ferrari say fans back their stance</title>
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		<title>By: persempre</title>
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		<dc:creator>persempre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late in on this one, sorry.

The Ferrari fans will follow the red cars wherever they race. Nothing new there. They already do it in various races &amp; series around the world.

The mention of Mark Hughes was interesting. Have you seen his article in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/sport/formula_1/article6300925.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Times&lt;/a&gt;?
It takes a slightly different tone.

Thankfully some F1 fans can see past petty team rivalry &amp; realise there is something much more fundamental at stake.
The big question &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; F1 fans should be asking themselves is do we want a series in which the teams have no say whatsoever in the running of the sport, the making of it`s rules etc. Or would we prefer the teams to have that say?
So far at least, the teams know they must try to stick together on this. They know Max &amp; Bernie`s rule relies on &quot;Divide &amp; Conquer&quot;. Wouldn`t it be good if just for once the fans could follow the teams lead &amp; leave petty squabbling behind for the overall good of the future of F1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late in on this one, sorry.</p>
<p>The Ferrari fans will follow the red cars wherever they race. Nothing new there. They already do it in various races &amp; series around the world.</p>
<p>The mention of Mark Hughes was interesting. Have you seen his article in the <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/sport/formula_1/article6300925.ece" rel="nofollow">Times</a>?<br />
It takes a slightly different tone.</p>
<p>Thankfully some F1 fans can see past petty team rivalry &amp; realise there is something much more fundamental at stake.<br />
The big question <strong>all</strong> F1 fans should be asking themselves is do we want a series in which the teams have no say whatsoever in the running of the sport, the making of it`s rules etc. Or would we prefer the teams to have that say?<br />
So far at least, the teams know they must try to stick together on this. They know Max &amp; Bernie`s rule relies on &#8220;Divide &amp; Conquer&#8221;. Wouldn`t it be good if just for once the fans could follow the teams lead &amp; leave petty squabbling behind for the overall good of the future of F1?</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of Ferrari stories here.  At least their publicity machine is working well lol...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of Ferrari stories here.  At least their publicity machine is working well lol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bigbadderboom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigbadderboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Sure....LOL, I find myself siding with the prancing horse on this, maybe this stupidity from the FIA will finally bring some unity from the teams, where do the tv rights holders find themselves if McLaren, Ferrari, Renault, BMW or Red Bull pull away, and even form a breakaway league? The TV rights are then worthless as F1 will no longer be the product they bought!!   It&#039;s got to have Bernie worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Sure&#8230;.LOL, I find myself siding with the prancing horse on this, maybe this stupidity from the FIA will finally bring some unity from the teams, where do the tv rights holders find themselves if McLaren, Ferrari, Renault, BMW or Red Bull pull away, and even form a breakaway league? The TV rights are then worthless as F1 will no longer be the product they bought!!   It&#8217;s got to have Bernie worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Achilles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read Mark Hughes column in Autosport as it would seem that the &#039;Marvellous dream&#039; has just had one of it&#039;s best kept secrets revealed, which would suggest that Ferrari have been holding the other teams &#039;hands up their backs&#039; without the other teams being aware of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read Mark Hughes column in Autosport as it would seem that the &#8216;Marvellous dream&#8217; has just had one of it&#8217;s best kept secrets revealed, which would suggest that Ferrari have been holding the other teams &#8216;hands up their backs&#8217; without the other teams being aware of it.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote part of the cost cap regulations:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the event that the provisions of these Regulations admit of more than one interpretation, they shall be interpreted in a manner designed to facilitate the achievement of the overriding objective.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just how wishy-washy are these cost cap regulations - couldn&#039;t organise a ps up in a brewery springs to mind. I support Ferrari 100% and I never thought I&#039;d ever say that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quote part of the cost cap regulations:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the event that the provisions of these Regulations admit of more than one interpretation, they shall be interpreted in a manner designed to facilitate the achievement of the overriding objective.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just how wishy-washy are these cost cap regulations &#8211; couldn&#8217;t organise a ps up in a brewery springs to mind. I support Ferrari 100% and I never thought I&#8217;d ever say that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. I&#039;m from singapore here.

i am a bif F1 Fan of course.

But having these &quot;budget cap is totally unrealistic. Bernie and Max seriously need to consider what the teams say... They cant just cut budget and change rules as and when they want.

the F1 Teams had like 1 month to respond and to think if the want the cap or less tech freedom. ridiculous. i serious cannot understand why bernie and max and co. just do things as they like.

If i not wrong, when i went for saturday qualifying during the SG GP, most of the fans are supporting : Ferrari, McLaren, Renault and Toyota. Not sure about others. I might be wrong here but from the grandstand me and my bro were sitting from, its seems like it is like that. there are 4 teams i mentioned. 3 of them are going to pull out. F1 should understand that fans make what they are. Its there main area of revenue.
With all the fans gone- Merchandise, ticket even advertising sales will be affected.

Max and co should go through this properly... not just put it as and when they want. 2 tier F1 is nonsense. Might as well call it Twin 1. 

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I&#8217;m from singapore here.</p>
<p>i am a bif F1 Fan of course.</p>
<p>But having these &#8220;budget cap is totally unrealistic. Bernie and Max seriously need to consider what the teams say&#8230; They cant just cut budget and change rules as and when they want.</p>
<p>the F1 Teams had like 1 month to respond and to think if the want the cap or less tech freedom. ridiculous. i serious cannot understand why bernie and max and co. just do things as they like.</p>
<p>If i not wrong, when i went for saturday qualifying during the SG GP, most of the fans are supporting : Ferrari, McLaren, Renault and Toyota. Not sure about others. I might be wrong here but from the grandstand me and my bro were sitting from, its seems like it is like that. there are 4 teams i mentioned. 3 of them are going to pull out. F1 should understand that fans make what they are. Its there main area of revenue.<br />
With all the fans gone- Merchandise, ticket even advertising sales will be affected.</p>
<p>Max and co should go through this properly&#8230; not just put it as and when they want. 2 tier F1 is nonsense. Might as well call it Twin 1. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: DGR-F1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just shows how far away from commercial reality Max and the FIA are. 
Sure, the Teams and the Manufacturers want to cut costs, because of the economic climate more than the costs of F1 itself, and I am sure they are working on ways to do it gradually, but how long ago were they notified of the budget cuts for 2009? Only a month at the most.
So, the Team has to approach its Board of Directors for a decision, and they may have to consult with the Parent company.
That doesn&#039;t happen overnight, unless you are running your organistaions by dictat, as Max and Bernie do.
This is a totally unrealistic situation for any company (no matter how big) to be placed in at short notice.
Why are FOTA even bothering to respond to these idiots? All the major teams should leave F1 at the end of the season and leave Max and Bernie to face the consequences......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just shows how far away from commercial reality Max and the FIA are.<br />
Sure, the Teams and the Manufacturers want to cut costs, because of the economic climate more than the costs of F1 itself, and I am sure they are working on ways to do it gradually, but how long ago were they notified of the budget cuts for 2009? Only a month at the most.<br />
So, the Team has to approach its Board of Directors for a decision, and they may have to consult with the Parent company.<br />
That doesn&#8217;t happen overnight, unless you are running your organistaions by dictat, as Max and Bernie do.<br />
This is a totally unrealistic situation for any company (no matter how big) to be placed in at short notice.<br />
Why are FOTA even bothering to respond to these idiots? All the major teams should leave F1 at the end of the season and leave Max and Bernie to face the consequences&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The teams commenting on FIA is halfway through the press conference. Starts whith the first question from the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teams commenting on FIA is halfway through the press conference. Starts whith the first question from the floor.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah this Oliver Holt sounds like a Dolt. Sure it makes sense that they COULD run a racing team for 40 million, but currently they have a 400 million racing team. What are they going to do with the rest of it?

The damage of this ludicrous overnight downsizing is hardly bigger than pulling out altogether. Especially since the whole new league seems like it&#039;s going to be another mess too.

Apart from the budget coming down too fast, the teams are also (very rightly) upset that they are completely ignored. During the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9324.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;friday press conference&lt;/a&gt; you could see how the teams just get rule changes shoved down their throats everytime and they are starting to gag.

There is a Technical Workgroup and even they were not informed of the pending rule change. Mosly and Ecclestone just change the rules on a whim and that simply cannot continue.

I guess it&#039;s idle hope that they can renew F1 and ditch Ecclestone and Mosley, but still they need to put FOTA in so they become an active part of the organization behind F1. Not just the dictatorial money maker and the perverted lawyer/rule freak.

Ecclestone decided he wanted the teams to knock it off with the asking for more money. The easy way is to make the teams cost so much less that they don&#039;t need more money. Even better if you can downsize it by so much that you can actually pay them less! To keep Mosley on board he probably promised him he can stay on as the FIA president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah this Oliver Holt sounds like a Dolt. Sure it makes sense that they COULD run a racing team for 40 million, but currently they have a 400 million racing team. What are they going to do with the rest of it?</p>
<p>The damage of this ludicrous overnight downsizing is hardly bigger than pulling out altogether. Especially since the whole new league seems like it&#8217;s going to be another mess too.</p>
<p>Apart from the budget coming down too fast, the teams are also (very rightly) upset that they are completely ignored. During the <a href="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9324.html" rel="nofollow">friday press conference</a> you could see how the teams just get rule changes shoved down their throats everytime and they are starting to gag.</p>
<p>There is a Technical Workgroup and even they were not informed of the pending rule change. Mosly and Ecclestone just change the rules on a whim and that simply cannot continue.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s idle hope that they can renew F1 and ditch Ecclestone and Mosley, but still they need to put FOTA in so they become an active part of the organization behind F1. Not just the dictatorial money maker and the perverted lawyer/rule freak.</p>
<p>Ecclestone decided he wanted the teams to knock it off with the asking for more money. The easy way is to make the teams cost so much less that they don&#8217;t need more money. Even better if you can downsize it by so much that you can actually pay them less! To keep Mosley on board he probably promised him he can stay on as the FIA president.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith.Why don&#039;t you run a poll on who would watch F1 if none of the top teams participated you could send the results to the FIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith.Why don&#8217;t you run a poll on who would watch F1 if none of the top teams participated you could send the results to the FIA.</p>
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