Max Mosley is wrong. The only split F1 needs is a break away from him

Max Mosley told the FOTA teams to run their own championship

Max Mosley told the FOTA teams to run their own championship

Max Mosley has told the world that instead of reaching a compromise with the nine FOTA teams, he thinks they should leave F1:

I say to them: If you want to draw up your own rules, then you can organise your own championship. But we have the Formula 1 championship. We draw up the rules for that. We have been doing that for 60 years and we will continue doing so.

It is difficult to believe that the president of the FIA could seriously be advocating a situation where the governing body?s most successful and popular championship is split into two.

Mario Theissen claims it was Mosley?s suggestion that FOTA place a ??conditional? entry to the 2010 championship, which they did last week.

But by agitating for a split Mosley has played into FOTA?s hands. Their argument that the governance of Formula 1 needs reforming has never looked more credible than when Mosley admitted he would rather see F1 split in two than accept that he might not get everything he wants from this debate.

Unlike Mosley, FOTA have been at pains to avoid threatening a split.

Various F1 correspondents have explored the possibilities of them creating a rival championship ?ǣ many pointing to the Ferrari-backed A1 Grand Prix series as a starting point.

But FOTA has frequently stated its desire to keep its teams in F1 and reach an accommodation with the FIA and F1 owners CVC (represented by Bernie Ecclestone).

It is Mosley who has spurned compromise and failed to reach a consensus with the teams.

Some may be tempted to argue that FOTA are holding Mosley to ransom by refusing to accept his demands. I disagree.

Mosley has stated in the past that he has demanded budget capping because the present teams have refused to commit to Formula 1:

Despite my repeated requests, not a single manufacturer has given us a legally-binding undertaking that it will continue in Formula 1
Max Mosley, in a letter to Luca di Montezemolo, April 2009

The manufacturers and supporting teams are now proposing a deal to keep them in the sport until 2012. So why is Mosley talking about a split instead of sealing the deal?

How a split would destroy F1

Pause for a moment to appreciate the full gravity of what Mosley is suggesting by urging the teams to split from F1.

It would mean F1 casting FOTA?s nine teams aside. These have, in their present guises, contested 2,040 Grands Prix, winning 414 races and 55 drivers and constructors’ championships. They are a vital component of the sport, woven deep into the fabric of its history.

We would have two series ?ǣ one calling itself F1, the other containing all bar one of the teams that contested the previous F1 championship.

Drivers and circuits would be caught in the middle. One series might have Spa and Silverstone, Hamilton and Raikkonen. The other Monza and Suzuka, Alonso and Kubica. And both championships would be incomparably weaker propositions.

What of the fans? Some would follow F1. Some would follow the new championship. And many ?ǣ perhaps most ?ǣ would stop watching. The longer it took the two series to re-unify, the worse it would get.

And the same goes for the sponsors which every year pump billions into F1?s coffers.

This is not conjecture. Exactly the same thing happened with the Indy Car championship. It finally re-united last year after 14 years divided – now a pale shadow of its former glory in every respect.

The teams must stay

The FIA President is proposing a development which would rent the world?s biggest motor racing championship in two. It would do huge damage to international motor racing, perhaps irrevocably ruining it.

Max Mosley is not unaccustomed to criticism. But his failure to come to terms with the teams is a new low. He must not be allowed to drive them out of the sport.

Given a choice between keeping the nine teams, and keeping the FIA president, I’d pick the teams.

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203 comments on Max Mosley is wrong. The only split F1 needs is a break away from him

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  1. Hear, hear!

  2. David A said on 4th June 2009, 20:39

    Max doesn’t know what the Indy Racing League is, does he?

    • mp4-19 said on 5th June 2009, 8:02

      i always knew max mosley was a nutcase, but today he’s gone one step ahead and completely proved me correct. I stand vindicated. he’s completely lost in a reality forgotten land. this is the height of lunacy. no responsible head of a international organization would utter such nonsense. what does he mean by saying F1 can do without the nine teams. this is just unbelivable. he has no respect for the chair he holds. the guy must understand that the teams were the ones who put him onto the coveted chair. This is a perfect example of misuse of power & authority. This guy is hell bent upon inflicting incurable wounds on the sport. the way things are moving we might lose the sport forever. isn’t there a voluntary retirement scheme in the FIA? please this man should be kept as far away as possible from f1. first he lost his image, then he lost his son, now he is hell bent on losing the sport. it was very clear from the outset that these decisions were only of max. how can one lunatic be allowed to hold the entire sport at randsom? i’ve long ago realized that online petitions are of no use. we the average f1 fan must do something about this man. i would suggest boycotting the races, be it on the circuits,TV,internet, print media everywhere. why i say this is, the only man who i think is capable of installing some sense into max mosley is bernie. now bernie handles the commercial aspects of f1. so without “us” the average f1 fan, bernie=0, so in such a scenario, max will have to give into bernie’s demands. we all know how greedy & commercial bernie is. so there is no way bernie will put max ahead of his commercial interests. so the only way to save this sport is to completely BOYCOTT it until max gives into bernie’s demand. There is an old chinese proverb:


      so i’ve taken my first step. i’ll not be watching the turkish gp on tv. so definitely the TRP rating will go down, cuz many of my friends will be joining my boycott, we are about 600 ppl. hope ppl do the same thing. this is to bring the trp rating down. bernie always keeps blabbing tv viewers. he’s gone as far as saying that TV audiences are more important than circuit fans. so this boycott must pinch bernie in his butt. only then he’ll blink.
      please save this wonderful sport or else we’ll lose it forever.

  3. EGC said on 4th June 2009, 20:53

    What the hell is drinking Mad-Max?????

    Bufff….i need a “good-normal-race”, and somebody a fast retirement.


  4. Don’t like Mosley, never have….

    But I like saloon car manufacturers dictating terms in F1 even less than I like the FIA president. Large manufacturers are intrinsically bad for F1. Their agenda is not the purity of racing the best things on four wheels….their agenda in selling their little boxes on wheels. And their obscene marketing budgets distort and corrupt F1. The only pure F1 teams now are Williams, Mclaren and of course Ferrari.

    And so I have to disagree fundamentaly with your argument, Keith. If Renault and BMW and Toyota go….so much the better for F1. The world we live in has changed so fundamentally in the past two years and the collapse of car markets has brought what will one day be seen as a great blessing to F1.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 4th June 2009, 22:24

      The only pure F1 teams now are Williams, Mclaren and of course Ferrari.

      Ferrari is a car manufacturer and McLaren plan to turn into one…

      • Ferrari is not a manufacturer like Toyota.

      • Achilles said on 5th June 2009, 7:12

        Give over Keith, Ferrari or Mclaren make expensive toys, they are hardly in the ‘mass’ market side of

      • Ronman said on 5th June 2009, 9:11

        you have to remember Keith that Enzo’s road car practice was just to fund the team. the reality has changed things, but Ferrari is at heart a racing team above anything else…

        Dennis is going the same way after many decades of existence. but it’s the F1 team that will market his exotic supercar brand.

        rather than F1 Renault team parading a Twingo/clio/megane renault F1 sport that has not one nut or bolt in common with a single seater… Renault doesn’t, never had a proper high performance car that shares technology with F1, the Renault Espace F1 doesn’t count same goes for BMW, Toyota, which don’t even have a sports car on offer.

        It would be interesting if we connect the significance of the F1 practice to the development of road cars, especially within the brands that participate in F1.

        Honda’s Vtech injection technology was developed and refined in F1 what else transpired to the average driver over the years that made its debut in F1?

        • Mandan said on 10th June 2009, 9:34

          Just a little note about F1’s influence on mass market road cars : Renault came to F1 with a turbo engine and won with it. Then all the others built turbos. And turbo came soon after to the road car market.
          I suppose there are other examples…
          Don’t draw a line between Ferrari, McLaren and the manufacturers : this is big businesses, far larger than racing. There is only one really pure racing team remaining in F1, ant it is Williams.

    • The sri lankan said on 5th June 2009, 0:48

      are you stupid? car manufacturers and their legions of fans are what keeps F1 going. do you really think a die hard fan of toyota( worlds largest car manufacturer) or Bmw will sit there watching Merc and ferrari have ago if the two including renault Leaves? think before writind Gibberish

      • NDINYO said on 5th June 2009, 7:01

        I was a fanatic of Toyota during its WRC days. I would hate to see it leave F1. But i would certainly love to see the pervert finally leave FIA

      • Antifia said on 5th June 2009, 12:24

        Really new to F1, aren’t you?
        In the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s you hardly ever had large manufacturers as full fledged teams in the grid (Renault being the lonely exception). You had, Ferraris, Mclarens, Lotuses, Williams, Tyrrels, Ligiers, Brabhams — and those were the golden years of the sport. That is not to say that I agree with Max. He is a nut case who would rather have a grid full of Mickey Mouse teams as long as he keeps calling the shots. But this idea that you need the big manufacturers to have a good F1 is completely bogus. And just so we are in the same page: There is no such a thing as leagions of Toyota fans in F1 (and that is also true for BMW, Honda and Renaults). Ferrari have fans, Mclaren too. Apart from that, people root for the drivers.

      • Eylesda said on 7th June 2009, 8:48

        I agree entirely with you. When we were driving big Mercs my son and I followed McClaren, then we went on to drive BMW’s and switched loyalties. Now we are back to Mercs and very dissapointed this season.

        Although F1 machines are vastly different from their road car sponsors they still have a huge following and brand loyalty.

    • phil said on 5th June 2009, 4:17

      Funny thing is i think your arguement is flawed leon. If it wasn’t for the car manfactures, that are in f1, f1 wouldn’t be what it is today. Get rid of all the manufactures, including Ferrari, what will all the teams run for engines and gear boxes.

      The manufactures created the sport to what it is today. They advertise the sport, attract the millions of dollars in sponsorship for F1 in general, at the track, and the tv networks. Far easier to advertise f1 with the names every person in the world recongnises rather then using litespeed???. If the FOTA stick together f1 is dead. The dropping of 9 teams that the entire world know and have come to love will have massive ramifications on every contract bernie and the FIA have. Bernie will go broke overnight as lawsuits will pile up. I hope FOTA leave f1 and max and bernie will be known as the men that destroyed f1. They can start there own series and all the revenue can be distrubuted evenly amongst them. Not to some company. Everybody will follow the teams and drivers they come to know and love before following a name. Superfund, lola etc etc dont have the attraction that Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW, Renault etc etc do.

      • Dougie said on 5th June 2009, 11:26

        If it wasn’t for the car manfactures, that are in f1, f1 wouldn’t be what it is today.

        Absolutely right, its about time they returned to just supplying engines and leave the sport to the teams that know how to compete at the highest level. Let the proper on track racing return!

        • phil c said on 5th June 2009, 11:41

          f1 will die without the nine teams. You wont be watching anything on tv as no free to air network would want to cover it. Read the full comment dont just extract one component.

          • Dougie said on 5th June 2009, 12:23

            LOL! Yeah, sorry I did read the full comment, I just thought it would be funny to play on that one statement, I forgot the smiley face.

            Anyway. F1 will not die without the nine teams… because F1 will not be without the nine (oh, hold on its 8 teams now, wait, I’ll just check, nope still 8 at the moment) teams.

            The whole point about this stand-off that is being missed, is that it is a stand-off… taking Ferrari’s example as someone has already said, how many times have they threatened to quit, and how many times to they continue to race. This is typical F1 and ok a bit more serious this time, but ultimately will all come out in the wash.

            The only difference here is that maybe some Manufacturers will use this as an excuse to exit, Toyota and Renault I’m thinking… but they were going to go anyway.

  5. Well said, Keith, well said. I cant believe that there are those out there who back this guy when his stance changes at his whim. Mosley needs to be ousted and FOTA needs to be listened to.

  6. Sven said on 4th June 2009, 20:58

    Seems more and more like the only interest of Max Mosely is to win the argument and get his way no matter how much harm is done to the sport. It is all very very sad.
    What is Eccelstone and CVC thinking about this? With all the current teams gone away as Mosely urges them to do what will remaim is a second rate championship with second rate teams. How is this ever going to pay for the CVC dept.

  7. Maverick_232 said on 4th June 2009, 21:01

    Max Mosely – I dont think i could dislike anyone anymore.

    Closely followed by doddery old Bernie.

    Surely this dictatorship has to stop. If not then im sure the final nail in the F1 coffin is not too far away.

  8. I think max has put the final nail in his own coffin,
    Just waiting for Bernie to hammer it in!

  9. sean said on 4th June 2009, 21:05

    this has now gone past F1 it’s just about MAX winning the argument he doesn’t care about the sport & fans he will destroy everything to make a point.

  10. Del Boy said on 4th June 2009, 21:14

    Of course Max needs to be re-elected in September! If by then the F1 nine/ten should have made plenty of negative publicity around the voting FIA members, that Max should be out leaving the way clear for the sport to be put back on the track. That seems to be the only light at the end of this dismal tunnel F1 seems to be driving through.
    As Formula one consistantly surprises me and its fans Max could well be re-elected. There again, I did see McLaren loading some swine aviation fuel into their trucks last Sunday.

  11. Luke said on 4th June 2009, 21:14

    when is Max up for re-election? this would be the time for FOTA to back another candidate. dont get me wrong, i thing Max and FOTA both have their own agendas, but actually saying publicly that FOTA should split away from F1 is lunacy. with all respect to the teams looking to enter next year, if FOTA splits, F1 will surely struggle to better GP2.

  12. persempre said on 4th June 2009, 21:18

    Absolutely spot on, Keith.
    Some of us remember (& some younger historians will have read ;) )how he got to where he is.
    Some remember the FISA/FOCA war, Balestre & the Maranello agreement which led to the first Concorde Agreement.
    Today has too many similarities to the early 1980’s.
    Max does not care what his new F1 looks like, achieves or if it will last just so long as it is HIS fist holding the reins.

  13. dmw said on 4th June 2009, 21:19

    In fairness, Leon, Ferrari and McLaren are hand in glove with two of the largest purveyors of tin boxes in the world. Williams is the only serious stalwart independent in the sport for the last 10 years. They are no different from BMW-Sauber. Cf. Brawn.

    In this case, I think the manufacturers realize that, while a budget cap could save them money, it would destroy the value of their investment in the sport and the investment in their respective brands they make by participating in it.

    This all gives me a queasy reminder of the CART/IRL split. Seeing the great teams and drivers of CART shut out of Indy and eventually forced to crawl back into a 100% oval fully spec series run by a megalomaniac with no interest in racing except when he is checking his account balance made me ill.

    • Good point mate ! And of course, as others have pointed out, Ferrari is now merely a posh badge for the mighty Fiat empire. And Daimler GMbh ain’t exactly a thoroughbred race co. There’s clearly a balance to be struck here but do you see Montezemolo and Mosley actually stopping strutting their stuff and sitting down to deal…… ?

      I’d like to see Mosley removed pretty smartish…but worry a lot about who we’d get in his place. A case of ‘better the devil you know’ ?

  14. conditional entry is ok for me… if one of the conditions is Mosley leaving.

  15. sykes said on 4th June 2009, 21:45

    Hope Mad Max joins his son soon

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