Comments on: FIA and FOTA remain deadlocked on F1 governance and budget cap

By: Ronman

Ronman — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:41:40 +0000

With all Due respect Keith, i didn’t bother reading the post, as I’m really sick of this dilemma…

Although i have respect for both Fota and Mosley, i think ultimately, the deadlock is solely for the redistribution of the earnings. For Carlos Ghosn to bluntly go out in public and say we need to get more of the pie summarises everything.

when the economy was well and automakers were making money no one really cared that Ecclestone was reeling in the dineros, now that the Proverbial S**t hit the Fan(no pun intended),everyone wants in… and Both Mosley and Ecclestone don’t want that to happen.

i understand their reasoning, why do you want more of our money, with lower costs, you wont need that extra 100 million because you will be cutting 400 million in costs (Ferrari’s case).

in any case, i have a feeling this will end in one of two ways. FIA bends over and gives Fota what they want for the sake of the show, OR which i think will happen, FOTA will split, the FIA will carry on with F1 and a bunch of new teams. sue the FOTA members for breaching contract take millions out of their accounts. FOTA will try to establish a split run series, but FIA will not make it easy. hence a new F1 Era will emerge…. and the de-restricted Formula X we all dream of will be gone for good.

By: F1Fan

F1Fan — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:43:02 +0000

The hell with Mosley and the FIA. The teams make the racing. F1 should remain about the best drivers and technology. And that can only come from the manufacturers. And while we are on this, the FIA has royally screwed up several key decisions on regulations, venue selection, etc.

By: Keith Collantine

Keith Collantine — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:40:49 +0000

With claws sunk deep in legal writ.

Yeah, sounds like F1.

By: VXR

VXR — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:55:13 +0000

I’m looking forward to seeing who’s still standing at the beginning of round two on the 19th…

Someone is definitely going to be bringing out the big guns on that day I can tell you!

By: VXR

VXR — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:46:34 +0000

Or, to put it another way, might Prodrive and Lola be persuaded to compete in a potential FOTA championship?

Why would they want to spend more money on not being in Formula One ?

I think that the FIA held them back to say: Look,if you think that there are only three new teams capable of coming into F1 then you’d better think again!

By: VXR

VXR — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:36:50 +0000

Got a source for that, VXR?
I`ve never heard FOTA discuss the topic of who in future should or should not be admitted.

My source is at Le Mans at the mo,I’ll be getting an update fairly soon though.

How he laughed when ‘Monty’ said that “Ferrari’s heart and soul are with F1″ Enzo must be turning in his grave.

By: Chaz

Chaz — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:44:33 +0000

I’m looking forward to seeing who’s still standing at the beginning of round two on the 19th…

By: Xibi

Xibi — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:01:11 +0000

With the way things currently are, a split would be the best thing.

But since when Formula 1 and Cost cutting started going together. They are an oxymoron as much as saying Fernando Alonso enjoyed his time at McLaren. Cost cutting and Formula One simply don’t go together. If they did, we wouldn’t have the inventions we have today and I can safely assume that some commodities in our lives wouldn’t exist.

By: theRoswellite

theRoswellite — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:01:08 +0000

Only one problem really…the Berniemax. In this case the Second head seems to have seriously gone astray.

My apologies for any French diction errors.

OUR TWO HEADED MONSTER

From open beak one tongue extending
Repeats in call the shriek pretending,
“I am the law, I am the ending,
I have your heart, I have your spending.”

L’etat c’est moi.

While the second head in tilt displays
An eye transfixed in stolid gaze,
Upon the knot where it doth sit
With claws sunk deep in legal writ.

L’etat c’est moi.

This bird of body girth unending
Can only flop in flight pretending.
While it’s two heads on necks entwined,
Spin round about, unravel then rewind.

L’etat c’est moi.

Is this our future, this our past,
To stand forever with pleas held fast,
And our reward, just duff and feather dander
Falling from our own, this Uber-Overlander.

L’etat c’est moi.

“THE STATE, IT IS I.”

By: Keith Collantine

Keith Collantine — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:00:15 +0000

Another thought on why the FIA picked Campos, USF1 and Manor to be promoted. Manor boss John Booth said in an interview:

It’s really the budget cap that’s enabled us and other new teams to come in and compete.

Did the FIA prefer to promote the new teams that would need the budget cap to compete, rather than those who might need only need a cost reduction of the order promised by FOTA?

Or, to put it another way, might Prodrive and Lola be persuaded to compete in a potential FOTA championship?

By: FLIG

FLIG — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:52:57 +0000

I remember once, I read that the F1 was, on a single event, the thing that circulated more money in all the world. No event is bigger, financially speaking, than F1. In times of crisis, it’s just OBVIOUS that things have to change. The whole world’s priorities are changing, it’s not just a question of how fast cars can go or how many britons can win championships.

By: FLIG

FLIG — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:50:24 +0000

I’ll have to disagree here. Maybe Briatore, yes, in 94/95. But they are actually trying to steal the show. They obviously DON’T want a big show, they want their very private show, among 3 or 4 rich guys to exchange championships. Who’s won since 90? Williams, McLaren, Briatore (Renault+Benetton) and Ferrari. No one else. And they don’t want Brawns and Jordans and and Campos and Epsilon Euskadis winning championships.

By: persempre

persempre — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:19:43 +0000

Yes & also that by automatically entering 3 teams who don`t want to be there & demanding the others sign unconditionally within a week, Max is trying again to split FOTA.
F1 doesn`t need Ferrari according to Max so why enter them?
If he had treated all FOTA similarly he would have been able to fit 3 more of his new teams in.
He may also have left out the bigger new boys to make a point.
After all an F1 with only small outfits would be much easier to control.

By: persempre

persempre — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:10:15 +0000

If, as Prisoner Monkey says, you are considering running double races at GP weekends then the likelihood is that, unless you cut the races by 50% the 2nd division would not get live TV coverage. So, they would have all the expense of the top division but none of the advantages.
You would also, as Prisoner Monkey said, be taking track time away from the other support series.

By: Keith Collantine

Keith Collantine — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:46:33 +0000

Montezemolo has now effectively said as much:

In a couple of years the problem with Formula 1 will be solved - as I really hope, with a responsible FIA, as we want, or, as happens in other sports, organising our own championship.

By: Tom Watson

Tom Watson — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:50:48 +0000

I think – prodrive is more of a serious threat to replace a team like bmw, rather than we will replace you with manor racing. So it is kind of like, we have teams of a good pedigree who can easily replace you, so replacing like for like instead of good replaced by not so good, if that makes sense

By: Patrickl

Patrickl — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:40:11 +0000

Yeah, I was just going to say, that’s what GP2 is for.

By: Macca

Macca — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:39:06 +0000

Why would they be unhappy. At least there still racing.

By: HounslowBusGarage

HounslowBusGarage — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:18:02 +0000

b0son, yes this has been mentioned on various threads on the blog. And I think it was one of Ferrari’s arguments too in that personnel plans had already been made for 2010 and changes of the magnitude proposed would take another season to implement.

By: HounslowBusGarage

HounslowBusGarage — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:12:22 +0000

So a short list of five was presented to Max . . .
And I thought the bond was imposed by Max too in order to guarantee the ’seriousness’ of the entrants.
All roads lead to Max.