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	<title>Comments on: F1 links: Teams complain about Donnelly</title>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/14/f1-links-teams-complaint-about-donnelly/comment-page-1/#comment-263875</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna go out a limb and say that the British Grand Prix will be Button&#039;s 1st dnf of 2009 and may even be the venue of Rubens&#039; 1st win of 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna go out a limb and say that the British Grand Prix will be Button&#8217;s 1st dnf of 2009 and may even be the venue of Rubens&#8217; 1st win of 2009</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOOpps i just realised how my comment there may have looked.

I did not mean i have  a problem with americans, i do live amongst a few hundred million of them.

I meant the Americans say period, not Fullstop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOOpps i just realised how my comment there may have looked.</p>
<p>I did not mean i have  a problem with americans, i do live amongst a few hundred million of them.</p>
<p>I meant the Americans say period, not Fullstop.</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/14/f1-links-teams-complaint-about-donnelly/comment-page-1/#comment-263868</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t trust anybody in the FIA fullstop, or for the americans Period.lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t trust anybody in the FIA fullstop, or for the americans Period.lol</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/14/f1-links-teams-complaint-about-donnelly/comment-page-1/#comment-263867</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well maybe people have now realised that the favouritism people barked about for years is now known as true then what is the point harking on about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well maybe people have now realised that the favouritism people barked about for years is now known as true then what is the point harking on about it.</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/14/f1-links-teams-complaint-about-donnelly/comment-page-1/#comment-263866</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it will a time of joy if we&#039;re all talking about the result of the British Grand prix 2010. I don&#039;t care about the venue, just so long as there is a race and for years to come.
The icing on the cake would be to have no involvement from Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it will a time of joy if we&#8217;re all talking about the result of the British Grand prix 2010. I don&#8217;t care about the venue, just so long as there is a race and for years to come.<br />
The icing on the cake would be to have no involvement from Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone.</p>
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		<title>By: persempre</title>
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		<dc:creator>persempre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Bernie &amp; Max, who knows?
I think the media has made by far too much of the money side &amp; hardly covered the other issues at all.
The governance is equally as important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Bernie &amp; Max, who knows?<br />
I think the media has made by far too much of the money side &amp; hardly covered the other issues at all.<br />
The governance is equally as important.</p>
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		<title>By: DGR-F1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I understand! No wonder Ferrari are miffed at Max suddenly changing the rules, it isn&#039;t what they signed up for (and presumably isn&#039;t covered by the Memo of Understanding unless its very vaguely worded).
So why isn&#039;t Bernie upset with Max as well? His attempts to get a Concorde Agreement seem to have hit a brick wall. Could there be some sort of &#039;Gentlemen&#039;s Ageement&#039; between the old dudes allowing them to play around with the suckers who run the teams?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I understand! No wonder Ferrari are miffed at Max suddenly changing the rules, it isn&#8217;t what they signed up for (and presumably isn&#8217;t covered by the Memo of Understanding unless its very vaguely worded).<br />
So why isn&#8217;t Bernie upset with Max as well? His attempts to get a Concorde Agreement seem to have hit a brick wall. Could there be some sort of &#8216;Gentlemen&#8217;s Ageement&#8217; between the old dudes allowing them to play around with the suckers who run the teams?</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OI&#039;m rather late with this, but I&#039;ve only just gotten back from the above mentioned Download festival - I wouldn&#039;t mind a bit of clarification on the &#039;no cars on site&#039; claim, as there were several surrounding fields full of cars this past weekend. If Gillett means that there were no cars within the confines of Donington Park itself, that&#039;s obvious; Download itself his year, meaning the multiple campsites and main arena, takes up virtually the entire space save for the actual circuit. It&#039;s like saying that there are no cars parked on the track!

Aside from that, I have to report that leaving the site by car today presented few problems. Everything was handled sensibly and the only serious queue we encountered was due to a car getting stuck in the mud at the exit of the car park. If Gillett&#039;s plan for a public transport GP comes to fruition, that sort of thing might not be an issue.

(Sorry for the long, and possibly irrelevant, comment!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OI&#8217;m rather late with this, but I&#8217;ve only just gotten back from the above mentioned Download festival &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t mind a bit of clarification on the &#8216;no cars on site&#8217; claim, as there were several surrounding fields full of cars this past weekend. If Gillett means that there were no cars within the confines of Donington Park itself, that&#8217;s obvious; Download itself his year, meaning the multiple campsites and main arena, takes up virtually the entire space save for the actual circuit. It&#8217;s like saying that there are no cars parked on the track!</p>
<p>Aside from that, I have to report that leaving the site by car today presented few problems. Everything was handled sensibly and the only serious queue we encountered was due to a car getting stuck in the mud at the exit of the car park. If Gillett&#8217;s plan for a public transport GP comes to fruition, that sort of thing might not be an issue.</p>
<p>(Sorry for the long, and possibly irrelevant, comment!)</p>
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		<title>By: Bigbadderboom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigbadderboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Donnelly just another glove puppet for Max now!, I don&#039;t trust Donnelly anyway, and it&#039;s good to see his position called into question, as it may reaffirm some real impartiallity in the stewarding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Donnelly just another glove puppet for Max now!, I don&#8217;t trust Donnelly anyway, and it&#8217;s good to see his position called into question, as it may reaffirm some real impartiallity in the stewarding.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roll on friday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roll on friday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: persempre</title>
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		<dc:creator>persempre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easiest way for me to answer this is to refer you to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde_Agreement&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wiki&lt;/a&gt; (not the best source but they have a fairly succinct summing up as follows:

On 7 December, 2004, at a meeting attended by the bosses of all the teams but Ferrari, Ecclestone offered a payout of £260,000,000 over three years in return for unanimous renewal of the Concorde Agreement, which would guarantee the continuation of Formula One in its present form at least until the expiration of that contract.

On 19 January, Ferrari announced it has signed an extension to the 1997 Agreement to expire on 31 December, 2012. 
Later in 2005, Red Bull and Jordan/Midland also signed an extension. 
On the 7 December, 2005, Williams F1 became the fourth team to sign an extension to the agreement.

On 27 March, 2006, the five Grand Prix Manufacturers Association-backed teams submitted their applications for the 2008 season. On 14 May, 2006, the five GPMA-backed teams signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the commercial rights holders (CVC/Ecclestone) which will form the basis of the next Concorde Agreement.
On 30 July, 2008, the teams created FOTA (Formula One Team Associates) to negotiate the terms of contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easiest way for me to answer this is to refer you to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde_Agreement" rel="nofollow">Wiki</a> (not the best source but they have a fairly succinct summing up as follows:</p>
<p>On 7 December, 2004, at a meeting attended by the bosses of all the teams but Ferrari, Ecclestone offered a payout of £260,000,000 over three years in return for unanimous renewal of the Concorde Agreement, which would guarantee the continuation of Formula One in its present form at least until the expiration of that contract.</p>
<p>On 19 January, Ferrari announced it has signed an extension to the 1997 Agreement to expire on 31 December, 2012.<br />
Later in 2005, Red Bull and Jordan/Midland also signed an extension.<br />
On the 7 December, 2005, Williams F1 became the fourth team to sign an extension to the agreement.</p>
<p>On 27 March, 2006, the five Grand Prix Manufacturers Association-backed teams submitted their applications for the 2008 season. On 14 May, 2006, the five GPMA-backed teams signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the commercial rights holders (CVC/Ecclestone) which will form the basis of the next Concorde Agreement.<br />
On 30 July, 2008, the teams created FOTA (Formula One Team Associates) to negotiate the terms of contract.</p>
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		<title>By: DGR-F1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOTA want their Concorde agreement signed, and not either Bernie&#039;s or Max&#039;s :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOTA want their Concorde agreement signed, and not either Bernie&#8217;s or Max&#8217;s <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: persempre</title>
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		<dc:creator>persempre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you mean the veto, Patrick?

It`s very easy to read it as favouritism but think about this.
Ferrari were the first to sign that agreement. There could be no F1 Commission with only one team signed up. How else could Ferrari stop the FIA making hair-brained changes to technical regulations at their whim &amp; fancy?
When other teams signed, it has been said, the agreement would revert to the Concorde Agreement arrangements.
The veto was never used, even against technical regulations which appeared to go against Ferrari`s interests. So, Ferrari chose not to take advantage. 
What should really worry people is the fact that the FIA &amp; FOM were willing to single out a team for different treatment. On that occasion it was Ferrari but how many other times have similar incentives been given to other teams which have not come to light?
Divide &amp; conquer worked for Max &amp; Bernie for decades &amp; it is still the way they try to enforce their rule.
This is why it is important that FOTA stay as unified as possible. Ultimately, it is in the teams best interests to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you mean the veto, Patrick?</p>
<p>It`s very easy to read it as favouritism but think about this.<br />
Ferrari were the first to sign that agreement. There could be no F1 Commission with only one team signed up. How else could Ferrari stop the FIA making hair-brained changes to technical regulations at their whim &amp; fancy?<br />
When other teams signed, it has been said, the agreement would revert to the Concorde Agreement arrangements.<br />
The veto was never used, even against technical regulations which appeared to go against Ferrari`s interests. So, Ferrari chose not to take advantage.<br />
What should really worry people is the fact that the FIA &amp; FOM were willing to single out a team for different treatment. On that occasion it was Ferrari but how many other times have similar incentives been given to other teams which have not come to light?<br />
Divide &amp; conquer worked for Max &amp; Bernie for decades &amp; it is still the way they try to enforce their rule.<br />
This is why it is important that FOTA stay as unified as possible. Ultimately, it is in the teams best interests to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: persempre</title>
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		<dc:creator>persempre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The F1 Commission which used to be used to help prepare new regs functioned in much the same way.
It hasn`t been called in years probably because it was part of  the Concorde Agreement. 
The 2010 regulations ensure that it will not be called again (they state the FIA can change regualtions as &amp; when they wish)which is probably one of the big reasons FOTA aren`t happy &amp; want a Concorde Agreement signed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The F1 Commission which used to be used to help prepare new regs functioned in much the same way.<br />
It hasn`t been called in years probably because it was part of  the Concorde Agreement.<br />
The 2010 regulations ensure that it will not be called again (they state the FIA can change regualtions as &amp; when they wish)which is probably one of the big reasons FOTA aren`t happy &amp; want a Concorde Agreement signed.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah odd, we finally get clear proof of Ferrari&#039;s favoritism and then noone cares anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah odd, we finally get clear proof of Ferrari&#8217;s favoritism and then noone cares anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: PJA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen Alan Donnelly’s impartially called into question on here and other sites many times before so this latest story doesn’t surprise me.

Only a paper like The Daily Mirror could come up with a story like that on Hamilton, get a free flag with an order is the sort of deal you get with loads of shops. When you see stories like this you know they must have it in for Hamilton, last year they would have reported it in a positive light by saying the generous people at McLaren give you a free flag when you buy some stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen Alan Donnelly’s impartially called into question on here and other sites many times before so this latest story doesn’t surprise me.</p>
<p>Only a paper like The Daily Mirror could come up with a story like that on Hamilton, get a free flag with an order is the sort of deal you get with loads of shops. When you see stories like this you know they must have it in for Hamilton, last year they would have reported it in a positive light by saying the generous people at McLaren give you a free flag when you buy some stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: DGR-F1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that ACEA have come out in support, and FOTA have approached WSMC directly, is there a possiblity that the Motoring Associations in Europe will begin to be pressured against Max too?
The other thought I have had is that the likes of BMW and Mercedes could refuse to enter any FIA controlled event in Europe for the rest of the year. I know this would be upsetting to the fans (including me), but actions speak louder than words....
Also, I don&#039;t know if you picked up on Ferrari&#039;s Luca de-whatsit at Le Mans, waving the start flag, fueling speculation that they have firm plans to return there.....
And on cost-cutting. The boss of BTCC (Bernies equivalent) has begun discussions with the teams about the future of the sport, and how to make more efficient cars and cut the costs. Unlike how Max is going about it, they are starting discussions now, but don&#039;t expect to reach any decisions until next year at the earliest, let alone start building &#039;new&#039; cars. One of the points under debate is whether rear-wheel drive cars should be allowed, as there are both pros and cons to them....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that ACEA have come out in support, and FOTA have approached WSMC directly, is there a possiblity that the Motoring Associations in Europe will begin to be pressured against Max too?<br />
The other thought I have had is that the likes of BMW and Mercedes could refuse to enter any FIA controlled event in Europe for the rest of the year. I know this would be upsetting to the fans (including me), but actions speak louder than words&#8230;.<br />
Also, I don&#8217;t know if you picked up on Ferrari&#8217;s Luca de-whatsit at Le Mans, waving the start flag, fueling speculation that they have firm plans to return there&#8230;..<br />
And on cost-cutting. The boss of BTCC (Bernies equivalent) has begun discussions with the teams about the future of the sport, and how to make more efficient cars and cut the costs. Unlike how Max is going about it, they are starting discussions now, but don&#8217;t expect to reach any decisions until next year at the earliest, let alone start building &#8216;new&#8217; cars. One of the points under debate is whether rear-wheel drive cars should be allowed, as there are both pros and cons to them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: F1Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>F1Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every year it&#039;s the same old BS with F1. at least the cries of ferrari favoritism have quieted. the longer this goes on, the more i want f1 to implode and a team-led GP series to take its place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every year it&#8217;s the same old BS with F1. at least the cries of ferrari favoritism have quieted. the longer this goes on, the more i want f1 to implode and a team-led GP series to take its place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: death of the British grand prix: It will probably be a good thing if we&#039;re talking about the British Grand Prix this time next year and not talking about how F1 has turned crap since all the big teams left...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: death of the British grand prix: It will probably be a good thing if we&#8217;re talking about the British Grand Prix this time next year and not talking about how F1 has turned crap since all the big teams left&#8230;</p>
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