Comments on: F1 links: FIA responds, FOTA does not

By: Rabi

Rabi — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:14:30 +0000

I think you need to check some facts PM
1) There are plenty of circuits still available for FOTA to race on, places like Montreal, Silverstone, Imola, and NA track, Zolder, Zaandvoort, MagnyCours and I could go on all day here
2) Sponsors? Last time I checked they were all signed up with the teams. Sponsors like Santander, Vodafone, Marlboro, Panasonic. And if they aren’t associated with the teams they are with the track with companies like Fosters. So the sponsors will go where the greatest show will go and drivers will go
3) Do you seriously think that for companies such as Fiat, Renault, BMW, Mercedes and Toyota that selling commercial rights to their own motorsports would be a problem? Collectively they have more marketing ability and capacity and budget available to them than CVC and Bernie. They also have more marketable outlets compared to CVC and Bernie. PLUS they being car manufacturers would have just as many – if not more, links in the media and governments that Bernie does.
4) If FOTA have any sense they will field a larger grid. It’s F1 that will be hurting because all of the expertise, electronics, gearboxes and engines will leave with FOTA. And also remember the only team that prevented Prodrive from entering due to customer cars was Williams – take a guess which series they are in! All the other manufacturers wanted customer cars and if they are going to govern their own rules then they will get customer cars which means lots of privateers.

By: Dougie

Dougie — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:15:19 +0000

No apology necessary, as you say scunnyman, everyone is entitled to their view and I’ve no problem with that.

However, their is nothing “blinkered” about mine

By: Dougie

Dougie — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:12:37 +0000

Part of me hopes the manufacturers will start a breakaway series, and am sure it will be successful… in the beginning.

But, what then when the losing manufacturers get fed up, or the board decide they cannot afford to continue through declining sales etc, and start to pull out.

Any breakaway series run by a bunch of commercial businesses does not stand a chance. They will just end up in the same mess as F1 is now… as F1 was in the late 70’s with FISA/FOCA.

This time is no different, lets not take a step backwards with a breakaway series, lets move forwards with a new F1, where we hope to finally see overtaking once more on track and edge of the seat racing we once knew and loved.

By: Dougie

Dougie — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:41:22 +0000

Williams weren’t exactly a big team when they took their first championship, and neither for that matter was Tyrrell… or Lotus… or Cooper.

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:34:36 +0000

nice see you 2 have a truce Persempre and dougie
though i am more on the side of Persempre, sorry Dougie.

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:26:01 +0000

Does anyone anywhere actually believe that in the 59 years of the F1 World Championship that it hasn’t had the biggest teams winning the races and championships ?
Maybe the likes of Ferrari and Maserati may be much bigger entities now than they were in the 50’s, but that is not to say that those teams were tiny little groups when the championship started. I’m sure the bigger teams were winning over smaller outfits even in the heyday of formula one.

Fangio moved to the best teams to win his 5 championships, he did not move and make them better.

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:13:02 +0000

I can’t help but agree with such a big Ferrari fan like you presempre, but people like Dougie are allowed their opinions, even if others think they are blinkered.

Time will tell which of us was right.

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:08:56 +0000

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see . If there is a neeed for a breakaway, only time will tell if it was the right thing to do. And poeple keep giving the cart/irl split as a reason not to breakaway, but maybe The fota teams along with some others can take the faults and problems witht he american split to avoid such things

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:03:14 +0000

Can you explain why you are dead against FOTA and seem to be a big supporter of FIA please?

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:58:11 +0000

I couldn’t agree with you more Persempre. Very well assessed and put into persepctive.

By: scunnyman

scunnyman — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:49:44 +0000

Agreed totally

By: VXR

VXR — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:55:30 +0000

Bartholomew, I think you need to re-read JA`s column.
As he says, talks seem to have broken down completely.

That’s a day out of date.Please keep up.LOL

By: VXR

VXR — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:39:03 +0000

like going from 100 to 45 million caps in 2 years, etc.
It seems that the teams also could make some concessions …

Well,that isn’t anything new,but some of the other things mentioned are.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269

By: Patrickl

Patrickl — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:54:49 +0000

Apparently FOTA wanted a veto over the regulations for all (FOTA?) teams. I’m not entirely sure how they would have wanted to apply that, but that’s hardly a “fair say”.

By: Alonso

Alonso — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:08:58 +0000

Lol @ persempre nice one

By: persempre

persempre — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:35:30 +0000

Bartholomew, I think you need to re-read JA`s column.
As he says, talks seem to have broken down completely.

By: Bartholomew

Bartholomew — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:23:29 +0000

From what I read in other blogs, like James Allen, the latest news from FIA sounds quite good, about Mosley making some very resonable concesions to the teams, like going from 100 to 45 million caps in 2 years, etc.
It seems that the teams also could make some concessions …

By: persempre

persempre — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:51:40 +0000

Theoretically there would be nothing to stop a new series selling customer cars as long as all teams agreed & the financial side was sorted out in such a way as it was not reliant on the present Constructors points system.
In fact, as long as there was agreement they could have any rules they wish, I believe.
There are real problems involved in starting a new series but the regulations need not be one of them.

By: persempre

persempre — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:43:54 +0000

Can an independent mediator be used as a lethal weapon? Guess we`d find out

By: persempre

persempre — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:28:12 +0000

Agree