Comments on: F1 links: FIA responds, FOTA does not http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:24:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rabi http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-264491 Rabi Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:14:30 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-264491 I think you need to check some facts PM 1) There are plenty of circuits still available for FOTA to race on, places like Montreal, Silverstone, Imola, and NA track, Zolder, Zaandvoort, MagnyCours and I could go on all day here 2) Sponsors? Last time I checked they were all signed up with the teams. Sponsors like Santander, Vodafone, Marlboro, Panasonic. And if they aren't associated with the teams they are with the track with companies like Fosters. So the sponsors will go where the greatest show will go and drivers will go 3) Do you seriously think that for companies such as Fiat, Renault, BMW, Mercedes and Toyota that selling commercial rights to their own motorsports would be a problem? Collectively they have more marketing ability and capacity and budget available to them than CVC and Bernie. They also have more marketable outlets compared to CVC and Bernie. PLUS they being car manufacturers would have just as many - if not more, links in the media and governments that Bernie does. 4) If FOTA have any sense they will field a larger grid. It's F1 that will be hurting because all of the expertise, electronics, gearboxes and engines will leave with FOTA. And also remember the only team that prevented Prodrive from entering due to customer cars was Williams - take a guess which series they are in! All the other manufacturers wanted customer cars and if they are going to govern their own rules then they will get customer cars which means lots of privateers. I think you need to check some facts PM
1) There are plenty of circuits still available for FOTA to race on, places like Montreal, Silverstone, Imola, and NA track, Zolder, Zaandvoort, MagnyCours and I could go on all day here
2) Sponsors? Last time I checked they were all signed up with the teams. Sponsors like Santander, Vodafone, Marlboro, Panasonic. And if they aren’t associated with the teams they are with the track with companies like Fosters. So the sponsors will go where the greatest show will go and drivers will go
3) Do you seriously think that for companies such as Fiat, Renault, BMW, Mercedes and Toyota that selling commercial rights to their own motorsports would be a problem? Collectively they have more marketing ability and capacity and budget available to them than CVC and Bernie. They also have more marketable outlets compared to CVC and Bernie. PLUS they being car manufacturers would have just as many – if not more, links in the media and governments that Bernie does.
4) If FOTA have any sense they will field a larger grid. It’s F1 that will be hurting because all of the expertise, electronics, gearboxes and engines will leave with FOTA. And also remember the only team that prevented Prodrive from entering due to customer cars was Williams – take a guess which series they are in! All the other manufacturers wanted customer cars and if they are going to govern their own rules then they will get customer cars which means lots of privateers.

]]> By: Dougie http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-2/#comment-263984 Dougie Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:15:19 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263984 No apology necessary, as you say scunnyman, everyone is entitled to their view and I've no problem with that. However, their is nothing "blinkered" about mine ;-) No apology necessary, as you say scunnyman, everyone is entitled to their view and I’ve no problem with that.

However, their is nothing “blinkered” about mine ;-)

]]> By: Dougie http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263983 Dougie Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:12:37 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263983 Part of me hopes the manufacturers will start a breakaway series, and am sure it will be successful... in the beginning. But, what then when the losing manufacturers get fed up, or the board decide they cannot afford to continue through declining sales etc, and start to pull out. Any breakaway series run by a bunch of commercial businesses does not stand a chance. They will just end up in the same mess as F1 is now... as F1 was in the late 70's with FISA/FOCA. This time is no different, lets not take a step backwards with a breakaway series, lets move forwards with a new F1, where we hope to finally see overtaking once more on track and edge of the seat racing we once knew and loved. Part of me hopes the manufacturers will start a breakaway series, and am sure it will be successful… in the beginning.

But, what then when the losing manufacturers get fed up, or the board decide they cannot afford to continue through declining sales etc, and start to pull out.

Any breakaway series run by a bunch of commercial businesses does not stand a chance. They will just end up in the same mess as F1 is now… as F1 was in the late 70′s with FISA/FOCA.

This time is no different, lets not take a step backwards with a breakaway series, lets move forwards with a new F1, where we hope to finally see overtaking once more on track and edge of the seat racing we once knew and loved.

]]> By: Dougie http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263977 Dougie Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:41:22 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263977 Williams weren't exactly a big team when they took their first championship, and neither for that matter was Tyrrell... or Lotus... or Cooper. Williams weren’t exactly a big team when they took their first championship, and neither for that matter was Tyrrell… or Lotus… or Cooper.

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-2/#comment-263885 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:34:36 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263885 nice see you 2 have a truce Persempre and dougie though i am more on the side of Persempre, sorry Dougie. nice see you 2 have a truce Persempre and dougie
though i am more on the side of Persempre, sorry Dougie.

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263883 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:26:01 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263883 Does anyone anywhere actually believe that in the 59 years of the F1 World Championship that it hasn't had the biggest teams winning the races and championships ? Maybe the likes of Ferrari and Maserati may be much bigger entities now than they were in the 50's, but that is not to say that those teams were tiny little groups when the championship started. I'm sure the bigger teams were winning over smaller outfits even in the heyday of formula one. Fangio moved to the best teams to win his 5 championships, he did not move and make them better. Does anyone anywhere actually believe that in the 59 years of the F1 World Championship that it hasn’t had the biggest teams winning the races and championships ?
Maybe the likes of Ferrari and Maserati may be much bigger entities now than they were in the 50′s, but that is not to say that those teams were tiny little groups when the championship started. I’m sure the bigger teams were winning over smaller outfits even in the heyday of formula one.

Fangio moved to the best teams to win his 5 championships, he did not move and make them better.

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263882 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:13:02 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263882 I can't help but agree with such a big Ferrari fan like you presempre, but people like Dougie are allowed their opinions, even if others think they are blinkered. Time will tell which of us was right. I can’t help but agree with such a big Ferrari fan like you presempre, but people like Dougie are allowed their opinions, even if others think they are blinkered.

Time will tell which of us was right.

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263881 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:08:56 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263881 I guess we'll just have to wait and see . If there is a neeed for a breakaway, only time will tell if it was the right thing to do. And poeple keep giving the cart/irl split as a reason not to breakaway, but maybe The fota teams along with some others can take the faults and problems witht he american split to avoid such things I guess we’ll just have to wait and see . If there is a neeed for a breakaway, only time will tell if it was the right thing to do. And poeple keep giving the cart/irl split as a reason not to breakaway, but maybe The fota teams along with some others can take the faults and problems witht he american split to avoid such things

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263880 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:03:14 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263880 Can you explain why you are dead against FOTA and seem to be a big supporter of FIA please? Can you explain why you are dead against FOTA and seem to be a big supporter of FIA please?

]]> By: scunnyman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/06/16/f1-links-fia-responds-fota-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-263879 scunnyman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:58:11 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=21622#comment-263879 I couldn't agree with you more Persempre. Very well assessed and put into persepctive. I couldn’t agree with you more Persempre. Very well assessed and put into persepctive.

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