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	<title>Comments on: Overtaking: Back to the drawing board</title>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/02/overtaking-back-to-the-drawing-board/comment-page-2/#comment-268371</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, the cars look fine. At the very least, it&#039;s a huge improvement over the 2007 and 2008 cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, the cars look fine. At the very least, it&#8217;s a huge improvement over the 2007 and 2008 cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/02/overtaking-back-to-the-drawing-board/comment-page-5/#comment-268334</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to be your worst article yet.

1) Overtaking IS easier than it was in the last few seasons.
2) Vettel IS poor at overtaking. Or rather he hasn&#039;t showed much ability in this respect. While for instance Webber has demonstrated overtaking moves in the same car (and even on KERS cars)
3) In that chart, Button is 1.5s faster on one single lap. In almost all other laps it&#039;s less than a second. While Rosberg shows that he could go faster so in reality the difference is hardly more than a few tenths.

The best you could argue for is that Button shows he can do a best of 81.7 and Rosberg a 82.4. That&#039;s a 0.7 difference.

The only thing the OWG set out to do was to make it possible for a car to overtake if it&#039;s around 1 second per lap faster than the car it&#039;s chasing. They accomplished this and this is demonstrated on track. Button is (at best) only 7 tenths faster so indeed that&#039;s not enough.

The OWG did not set out to let cars just drive past each other. There still has to be some skill involved.

The amount of overtaking is actually more related to the number of possibilities. Like in the opening races with the odd tyre choices and resulting differences in strategy where cars could differ in lap times by 5 seconds.

People should just stop whining about there not being enough overtaking. This is the essence of F1. If people ask for more overtaking the only thing you get is the retarded tyre rule we have had this year and things like reversed starting grids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be your worst article yet.</p>
<p>1) Overtaking IS easier than it was in the last few seasons.<br />
2) Vettel IS poor at overtaking. Or rather he hasn&#8217;t showed much ability in this respect. While for instance Webber has demonstrated overtaking moves in the same car (and even on KERS cars)<br />
3) In that chart, Button is 1.5s faster on one single lap. In almost all other laps it&#8217;s less than a second. While Rosberg shows that he could go faster so in reality the difference is hardly more than a few tenths.</p>
<p>The best you could argue for is that Button shows he can do a best of 81.7 and Rosberg a 82.4. That&#8217;s a 0.7 difference.</p>
<p>The only thing the OWG set out to do was to make it possible for a car to overtake if it&#8217;s around 1 second per lap faster than the car it&#8217;s chasing. They accomplished this and this is demonstrated on track. Button is (at best) only 7 tenths faster so indeed that&#8217;s not enough.</p>
<p>The OWG did not set out to let cars just drive past each other. There still has to be some skill involved.</p>
<p>The amount of overtaking is actually more related to the number of possibilities. Like in the opening races with the odd tyre choices and resulting differences in strategy where cars could differ in lap times by 5 seconds.</p>
<p>People should just stop whining about there not being enough overtaking. This is the essence of F1. If people ask for more overtaking the only thing you get is the retarded tyre rule we have had this year and things like reversed starting grids.</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/02/overtaking-back-to-the-drawing-board/comment-page-5/#comment-268301</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes SoLiD  I think Montoya would have made a good champion, and he would have deserved it in 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes SoLiD  I think Montoya would have made a good champion, and he would have deserved it in 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: SoLiD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoLiD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes the penalty thing! They give them waaaay too quick.

The Montoya US GP penalty was so hars ... what if that didn&#039;t happen and his engine didn&#039;t fail at Japan where he was leading and the fastest out there... We would be talking of Montoya Champ 2003,  many forgot it:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes the penalty thing! They give them waaaay too quick.</p>
<p>The Montoya US GP penalty was so hars &#8230; what if that didn&#8217;t happen and his engine didn&#8217;t fail at Japan where he was leading and the fastest out there&#8230; We would be talking of Montoya Champ 2003,  many forgot it:)</p>
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		<title>By: phil c</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is aero reliance and the need of clean air for appropriate function. It is impossible to design something which can work efficiently in dirty air and generate the same downforce because the parameters of the dirty air constantly changed. Clean air is a constant variable.  

If you limit the dirty air wash of the car the better the overtaking.  The rear wing is the aera where most of the dirty air is generated.  Standard rear wing design were 80% of the dirty air is generated will allow the cars to follow closer.  If the cars had a wide, and low profile rear wing the wash would be significantly less.  Not only this standard rear wing would give teams a constant variable to to design front wings too allowing for closer racing.  

they need to reduce the aero of the rear wing.   

As for going around the outside of parabolica at speed, there are other factor other then aero the make that difficult.  Tyre grip on a dirty unrubbered line which never get driven on, there is more road to cover going around the outside of a corner, the downforce difference and horse power difference  between cars today is not big enough to allow for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is aero reliance and the need of clean air for appropriate function. It is impossible to design something which can work efficiently in dirty air and generate the same downforce because the parameters of the dirty air constantly changed. Clean air is a constant variable.  </p>
<p>If you limit the dirty air wash of the car the better the overtaking.  The rear wing is the aera where most of the dirty air is generated.  Standard rear wing design were 80% of the dirty air is generated will allow the cars to follow closer.  If the cars had a wide, and low profile rear wing the wash would be significantly less.  Not only this standard rear wing would give teams a constant variable to to design front wings too allowing for closer racing.  </p>
<p>they need to reduce the aero of the rear wing.   </p>
<p>As for going around the outside of parabolica at speed, there are other factor other then aero the make that difficult.  Tyre grip on a dirty unrubbered line which never get driven on, there is more road to cover going around the outside of a corner, the downforce difference and horse power difference  between cars today is not big enough to allow for that.</p>
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		<title>By: phil c</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downforce is generated by wind and air pressure. The only variable is air.  The difference in levels between a windtunnell and track would be caused by the density of the air, (casued by natural height above sea level) and speed.  Windtunnell may only test up to 200km hr.  This can also be measured with sensors on the car, which the team already have.

Speed is not the issue, overtaking is the issue.  If you limit the dirty air coming of the back for the car, the better the racing.  80% of the dirty air comes off the rear wing, this can be compensated by the floor of the car, which does not produced anywear near as much dirty air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downforce is generated by wind and air pressure. The only variable is air.  The difference in levels between a windtunnell and track would be caused by the density of the air, (casued by natural height above sea level) and speed.  Windtunnell may only test up to 200km hr.  This can also be measured with sensors on the car, which the team already have.</p>
<p>Speed is not the issue, overtaking is the issue.  If you limit the dirty air coming of the back for the car, the better the racing.  80% of the dirty air comes off the rear wing, this can be compensated by the floor of the car, which does not produced anywear near as much dirty air.</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/02/overtaking-back-to-the-drawing-board/comment-page-5/#comment-268269</link>
		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having read these articles about goodwood and overtaking it has got me wanting to watch some season reviews over the weekend, while not doing the july 4th thing. Only i can&#039;t work out what seasons to watch from 1975 to say 2006.

can anyone suggest some years for me please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having read these articles about goodwood and overtaking it has got me wanting to watch some season reviews over the weekend, while not doing the july 4th thing. Only i can&#8217;t work out what seasons to watch from 1975 to say 2006.</p>
<p>can anyone suggest some years for me please?</p>
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		<title>By: scunnyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>scunnyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I just hope that whoever replaces Max is better than the guy who replaced Bush. It isnt racing but it is just as important.&quot;

Yes martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I just hope that whoever replaces Max is better than the guy who replaced Bush. It isnt racing but it is just as important.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes martin</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope that whoever replaces Max is better than the guy who replaced Bush. It isnt racing but it is just as important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope that whoever replaces Max is better than the guy who replaced Bush. It isnt racing but it is just as important.</p>
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		<title>By: VXR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VXR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; 
There. Simple really.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like some &#039;historic&#039; series to me.;)</description>
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There. Simple really.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like some &#8216;historic&#8217; series to me.;)</p>
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