German Grand Prix stats and facts

Piquet just has to out-qualify Alonso in the next 25 races to get even

Piquet just has to out-qualify Alonso in the next 25 races to get even

There’s one big fat obvious reason why the German Grand Prix was a landmark race.

But a few other points of interest popped up as well: Nelson Piquet Jnr finally out-qualified his team mate and Force India had by far their best qualifying performance ever. Still no points, though…

Mark Webber scored his first Grand Prix victory – more stats on that here: Mark Webber finally wins an F1 race

He is the 102nd different driver to win a Grand Prix and the 93rd to take pole position. It was his first front row start this year.

All three Grand Prix winners from Australia can claim a victory in Germany: Jack Brabham in 1966 on the Nordschleife and Alan Jones in 1979 on the Hockenheimring.

Red Bull had their third one-two, giving them as many as Brawn, all of which were scored this year. Ten other constructors have scored more.

Red Bull scored their first win at the only circuit where their predecessors Stewart won a Grand Prix, with Johnny Herbert ten years earlier. On that occasion Rubens Barrichello was driving for the team and finished third behind Jarno Trulli.

Fernando Alonso made the 12th fastest lap of his career, giving him as many as Alberto Ascari, Jack Brabham, Rene Arnoux, Juan Pablo Montoya and Felipe Massa. It was his first since the 2007 Italian Grand Prix.

Brawn failed to get a car on the podium for the first time in their history, and with no McLarens or Force Indias there too it meant no podium for a Mercedes-powered car for the first time this year.

Heikki Kovalainen started from his best qualifying position of the year – sixth. McLaren took the third row of the grid, their best qualifying performance in 2009.

Adrian Sutil achieved his and Force India’s best ever starting position with seventh. His previous best was 15th.

Felipe Massa reached the podium for the first time this year. He has now finished in the points in the last five races.

Nelson Piquet Jnr out-qualified Fernando Alonso for the first time since they became team mates. The score is now 26-1 to Alonso.

Rumours suggest Sebastien Bourdais will be dropped by Toro Rosso this week. So far this year he has been beaten 7-2 by Buemi in qualifying, and 3-2 in races where both have finished.

Jenson Button kept up his record of scoring a point in every race and finishing every lap so far this year. He has now scored exactly 300 points in his F1 career.

Despite scoring only a sixth and a fifth in the last two races, his lead over the second placed driver in the championship has fallen by just five points from 26 (over Barrichello) to 21 (over Vettel).

This was the 16th Grand Prix on the ‘new’ Nurburgring, but only the second time it has held the German Grand Prix. It has previously held the European Grand Prix 12 times (1984, 1995-1996 and 1999-2007), the Luxembourg Grand Prix (cough) twice (1997-1998) and the German Grand Prix just once (1985).

Finally, after much discussion on the live blog we decided the last time a driver won a race despite being given a penalty was Michael Schumacher at Magny-Cours in 2002. If anyone can think of a more recent example, please post it below!

Have you spotted any other stats and facts from the German Grand Prix? Post them below…

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74 comments on German Grand Prix stats and facts

  1. Mar-E-o said on 13th July 2009, 7:59

    50% of top 10 in qualifying where Mercedes powered cars

  2. Sam said on 13th July 2009, 8:05

    “Red Bull scored their first win at the only circuit where their predecessors Stewart won a Grand Prix”

    think you mean Webber!

    I also think Heidfeld continued his run of finishes

  3. Stevie G said on 13th July 2009, 8:06

    Another Grand Prix in Germany where Raikkonen didn’t finish. He really doesn’t have much luck there, does he?

  4. Jenson Button won at Hungary 2006 after a 10-place penalty. Thats more recent :-)

  5. adz2193 said on 13th July 2009, 8:53

    A race where a driver won despite a penalty – Button in Hungary 06? He won from 14th following a 10 place grid penalty.

  6. Maksutov said on 13th July 2009, 8:57

    Hamilton should have been a bit more careful, you can not win the whole bloody Grand Prix in one corner. I realize he had a puncture, but regardless of the fact, if he was a little bit extra careful he could have avoided the incident and finished in top 5 at least. Everything is a risk, but Mr Hamilton needs to learn to take a calculated risk…

    • Patrickl said on 13th July 2009, 9:20

      Yeah, that’s what we need, cars that just line up behind each other and don’t take any risks …

      • FLIG said on 13th July 2009, 9:35

        I agree that we need more aggressive drivers on the grid, but… Hamilton makes too many mistakes. Maybe the problem is that he thinks his car is able to do everything he wants it to, and even though he might be a great driver, the car is not indestructible. He needs to learn the limits imposed by his car and by the laws of physics.

        • todd said on 13th July 2009, 9:57

          or maybe he just doesn’t realise that there’s more than 1 car out there, and that their job is not to just get out of his way.

        • Chris said on 13th July 2009, 9:58

          Sorry but i totally disagree.

          Hamilton took a big risk no questions there. But lets not mistake the fact that he very nearly made it stick. And if Webber had not swerved back over the other side of the track after hitting barecllo (not that i have any problem with it as it was a racing accident) he would not have punchered Hamilton car. And then what would the headlines have been if he had won.

          I though it made the start very exciting and dramatic and that is why i watch F1

          • FLIG said on 13th July 2009, 10:23

            IFs don’t win races.

          • Bigbadderboom said on 13th July 2009, 10:48

            But contrary to your opinion FLIG isn’t it better to throw the dice and get an occasional 6 rather than never role the dice, and Hamilton is a WDC and multiple open wheel champ, so I think he may have a better evaluation of the risk/reward than you! This is the first time Hamilton was competitive, and he was equipped with KERS, “IF” that move had stuck (and i’m not sure what else he could have done) we would not have seen Webber and Rubens shoot off and may have seen one of the best ever GP’s. Hats off to lewis for giving it a shot.

          • Katy said on 13th July 2009, 11:34

            I completely agree with Patrickl and Bigbadderboom, moves like that make races exciting!

            The likes of Hamilton go for ambitious moves wherever possible, even if it seems like there’s a 1% chance of success. That’s why I used to like Montoya :)

            I’ve found the season really boring so far, the first race was kinda good and the wet races, but the others have been boring and predictable. This grand prix was so much better, literally didn’t know who was going to win right up until the last few laps cos there was still that treat of rain.

            Great race, and I hope Lewis continues to make ambitious moves in the hope of one sticking :) adds to the fun.

          • FLIG said on 13th July 2009, 14:58

            I want to make it clear that I’m not against trying. I don’t want 20 Heidfelds finishing 50 boring races. I enjoy the whole thing, I just think that Lewis makes too many mistakes. I don’t understand why people keep saying that my opinion is not valid because I’m not a F1 pilot. He clearly ends up in the sand or with useless tyres more than he should, that’s all I’m saying. Maybe he’ll learn in time. I hope, for the good of the sport, and maybe we can enjoy some Hamilton-Vettel-Alonso-Kubica fights like I used to enjoy Mansell-Prost-Senna-Piquet.

          • Maksutov said on 13th July 2009, 17:40

            Well the reality is that Hamilton finished at the back of the grid. And we can sit here debating whether he could have won or not all we like. If a driver wants to ignore risks that could potentially happen at the start of a GPs then something will happen to them more likely than not.

            The fact of the matter is that there is plenty of time during a Grand Prix for drivers to take whatever risks they want to overtake. It doesnt have to be all done at the start of the GP and certainly not at the first corner. That is all I am trying to say and I stick by that. Hamilton is good driver and it would have been nice to see him finish in top 3 or top 5.

          • Oliver said on 13th July 2009, 22:23

            The was nothing wrong with what Hamilton did at the start. Webber was just recovering from banging wheels with Barichello and pushed Hamilton off track and also damaged his tyres.
            If you are too cautious at the start you can cause a pile up behind you that may still take you out.

      • Achilles said on 13th July 2009, 19:53

        I’m with you it was a ballsy move, unrewarded, but if it had of worked, would Barrichello still be bitchin’?

        • Senor Paz said on 13th July 2009, 23:07

          Here we go, poor baby Hamilton again.

          Nobody is saying drivers shouldn’t take any risks, that’s just ridiculous. Any passing move is a risk, some more than others.

          What is being criticised here is Hamilton’s poor judgement. It’s the second time this season he destroys his race on the first corner for being too aggressive (he ran into the back of Kubica in Monaco).

          No one is saying he’s a bad driver, and I love the risk taking (Massa’s improbable move on Hamilton at the Hungaroring last year was just awesome). But he needs to work on his assessment.

          One thing’s for sure in F1, though: it’s better to be aggressive than plain boring.

    • F1Outsider said on 13th July 2009, 13:05

      Hamilton is not running for the championship… He has everything to gain, nothing to lose.

      He had every right to try to make that move… If it had stuck, it would’ve been a memorable drive.

      • DomPrez said on 13th July 2009, 22:03

        EXACTLY. but thats a completly different issue with most F1 ‘fans’. Hi profile drivers are so quickly evaluated and hailed or stoned for thei actions. there is never any middle ground. He made the move and hes “god”. looses it and he “does it all the time”. Bottom line is that those risks won him a title, and every formula one risk is a calculated on (unless ur name is takuma sato), just sometimes it doesnt work out well. now, i hate hamilton, but that doesnt make him any less of a great driver.
        ‘Hiedfelds’ might win a race but they dont win a championship.

    • Bernard said on 13th July 2009, 14:24

      Risk and success go hand in hand, it’s a balancing act. These are the best drivers in the world and therfore can make that assessment better than most, particularly arm-chair commentators.

      Besides, Hamilton did nothing overly risky at all, he steamed up the grid thanks to a super start and a KERS button, keeping well clear of others (unlike some, *cough* Webber *cough*).

      His move was sublime, his only problem at turn one was unfortunately Webbers front wing…

      • Senor Paz said on 13th July 2009, 23:10

        To say that he messed up Turn 1 because of Webber is just ludicrous.

        • Hell$torm. said on 14th July 2009, 2:39

          ok then how did he mess up? you Tell me! did he mess up because he was making up places at the start, something that every driver tries to do at the begining of the race? and for people to say that he makes to many mistakes is stupid! he is world champ, and his driving game has been right at the top this season! everyone that has a say in F1 knows he has been doing a terific job in with the car that he has at the moment, what happend at turn 1 was a racing incident two cars got close together and colided, hamilton came worse off but no1 was to blame.

          however if it was massa or alonso who was leading at the first corner and then one of them who got a puncture, im sure that webber would be in alot of hot water at the moment.

          • kallan said on 14th July 2009, 6:38

            The way I saw it he appeared to overshoot the corner anyway, perhaps losing it on the infamous bump the drivers were complaining about. Granted the shunt from webber deflated his tire anyway. Without Webber’s hit I think he would have slotted into 2nd behind Barichello. Then again I haven’t yet re-watched it. Still I think it was an impressive effort

        • Bernard said on 14th July 2009, 17:39

          Hamilton didn’t ‘mess up’, your suggestion that he did is ludicrous. He overshot the corner as a direct result of Webber puncturing his tyre, watch it again…

  7. Kanyima said on 13th July 2009, 10:13

    I live Hamilton’s guts. You gotta take risks in F1 or any other sport for that matter. You can’t win them all but when you do, it sure makes your decision stand out. Had he won this race from P5, I would have liked to see the comments of those who now think it was a silly mistake.
    He could have taken it easy and got hit from behind and some people would still have thought him careless, stupid, silly or any other adjectives I’m constantly seeing about Hamilton’s jump-start maneuver.

  8. BTW, is it the first time that the director of GPDA has won a grand prix? DC never won anything while he was director, right?

  9. Kanyima said on 13th July 2009, 10:18

    Todd, that’s a rather mundane observation. A driver on the grid has to watch both ahead and back but the only thing one has to do is drive the car forward, not backwards and if you have to force your way past a slower driver, you do. That, Toad, is called overtaking.

  10. ajokay said on 13th July 2009, 10:20

    All three winners this year are near-enough new winners. Mark Webber scored his first win this year, and prior to this year, Vettel and Button had only won one race each.

  11. Kanyima said on 13th July 2009, 10:32

    F1 is about risk-taking. Every split second counts and if you have to make use of it, you have got to have the balls to take every risk possible and if it doesn’t go well, then you put your hand up and try again next time.
    F1 wouldn’t be interesting without tough high-risk overtaking decisions. It’s such decisions that keep me on the edge of the seat during a Formula 1 race no matter who the driver is. If any of you don’t like seeing risk-taking, go watch curling, bowling, badminton or dwarf tossing.

  12. Tim said on 13th July 2009, 10:39

    Ajokay – do you know which other current F1 drivers have never won a GP?

    • Yes – look at their results on any number of websites…

    • ajokay said on 13th July 2009, 12:19

      Current drivers who haven’t achieved an F1 victory yet (and their best positions):

      Rosberg (2nd), Glock (2nd), Heidfeld (2nd), Piquet (2nd), Nakajima (6th), Buemi (7th), Bourdais (7th), Sutil (8th).

      Three others (Kubica, Kovalainen, Trulli) have only won one race in F1 up until this point.

  13. Ninad said on 13th July 2009, 11:22

    Heidfeld finished yet again!!

  14. TommyB said on 13th July 2009, 11:47

    Rumours suggest Sebastien Bourdais will be dropped by Toro Rosso this week. So far this year he has been beaten 7-2 by Buemi in qualifying, and 3-2 in races where both have finished.


    • Aaron Shearer said on 13th July 2009, 13:06

      It’s not been confirmed yet.

      “Toro Rosso is expected to confirm within the next 48 hours that it has decided to part company with the Frenchman.”

      It could still all be speculation at the moment. I really hope it is, I quite like Bourdais. Hopefully if he is replaced he could stay on as test driver or maybe can get a 2010 seat with someone else.

      If not maybe he could race in some other forumlae or the Le Mans series.

      • 1994fanatic said on 13th July 2009, 16:45

        He’ll limp back to indycar

        • Steve K said on 14th July 2009, 6:15

          I hope he can find some money and get in the Edmonton race in two weeks. I’m sure Newman-Haas would build him a car. I would love to see him back on this side of the Atlantic. He makes the field stronger, and Indycar needs a good villain. America loves to root against the French!

  15. Webber now the driver with more races till first win (130). Previously Barrichello was the guy with 124 till 1st victory.

    Car number 14 didn’t win since 1971 (Jo Stiffert’s BRM) at Austrian GP.

    Last Webber’s victory – F3000 at Magny Cours 2001.

    Sixth 1-2 of the year.

    Last time Williams finished in points in Germany was 2004 with Montoya (P5). Rosberg did it finally again.

    McLaren finished in points again after 4 races.

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