Comments on: F1 links: EC may look into FIA again

By: Richard B

Richard B — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:05:35 +0000

Which Cosworth ?
It,s an historical company in name only, the current company has yet to prove its self in current times.
The Duckworth Cosworth, the Vickers Cosworth, the Goddard led engineering teams or many other of the owner and engineer led
Cosworth involvees have a great track record. All new now.
It’s been a long time between drinks.

By: manatcna

manatcna — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:31:38 +0000

There’s something rotten in ~~Denmark~~ the FIA

By: Pete Walker

Pete Walker — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:30:52 +0000

I kinda hoped the would show I was just kidding…

In practice the idea is of course totally unworkable. Would be fun though!

By: PrisonerMonkeys

PrisonerMonkeys — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:17:40 +0000

Doesn’t change the fact that lesser team may not make the grid and sponsors won’t be seen. If they can’t be seen, they won’t pay for the privelige of having their branding on the side of a Formula One car. And without that money, the teams will never be able to build a car that can challenge for the grid.

By: patrickl

patrickl — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:02:55 +0000

Yeah, I thought it was rather comical too.

How would they even know the exact characteristics of the other engines.

By: patrickl

patrickl — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:56:56 +0000

Maybe a budget cap would solve that problem …

By: Bigbadderboom

Bigbadderboom — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:01:31 +0000

Too many presumptions would have to be made against too many variables, these presumptions would make the simulation worthless. And does that Cosworth simulation allow for them running with a greater rev band than everyone else. I want Cosworth back, but they must compete on an equal footing.
Once again F1′s troubles come down to transparency, why is our sport so shrouded in back room deals and dodgy dealings. Max’s legacy is going to be that of corruption and miss management. I hope the EC uncovers some real truths but I doubt it.

By: Hallard

Hallard — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:10 +0000

According to cosworth:

“So what we did was produce a complex model of the engine’s performance as it will be in 2010 and gave it to a third party agency with the largest body of data. We asked the question, ‘If you were to take all the results this year of the top three teams and substitute this engine into their cars, would it have affected the outcome of any of the races?’ Because that’s the ultimate measure of the competitiveness of the engine.

“The result that came back was that if the engine we are proposing for next year had been in any of the winning cars, the winning car would have still won. If it had been in any of the second place cars they would still have been second, or in one or two cases, would have won.”

Am I the only one who thinks this is totally erroneous? There is no way you could isolate a single variable (in this case the engine) and plug it into an equation to determine how the car would finished in the race! From a mathematical perspective, even after ruling out the factors of human behavior, a race is far too complex to draw any sort of conclusion like this. Especially to say that the second placed car would have been able to take the lead if it had a Cosworth engine. Im all for cosworth returning to F1, but this “analysis” is assanine. I for one feel insulted by this pseudo-science.

By: PrisonerMonkeys

PrisonerMonkeys — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:43:20 +0000

That’ll never work. The sport is too expensive. No sponsor is going to be willing to invest in a team when there’s a very good chance the car will never make the grid (and thus never be seen by audiences or spectators).

By: DGR-F1

DGR-F1 — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:17:20 +0000

Admittedly Cosworth do appear to be the only ones interested in attempting to build engines for the new season.
Its just strange that when the whole scenario as devised by Max was to increase the number of teams, there didn’t appear to be much incentive to other engine manufacturers too. Maybe its just bad timing.
Cosworth have had a long and successful history with F1, so of course its good to see them coming back, but there are other manufacturers out there.
As it stands, those teams which can afford it next year look like they are getting Mercedes engines, and those that cannot afford it will use Cossies…..