Comments on: How hard was Massa hit? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:59:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Fandysilalahi http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-274407 Fandysilalahi Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:32:51 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-274407 Agree, this is the best F1 fansite I've found so far Agree, this is the best F1 fansite I’ve found so far

]]> By: Don Drennon http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-274102 Don Drennon Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:51:34 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-274102 Thank you for the thorough analysis. I wish Massa a thorough and speedy recovery, and while I hope he is able to drive again I hope that he gives consideration to not doing so. The type of injury he has sustained can have long-term implications, and the medical standard for Formula 1 drivers is of necessity set very high. Again, I hope to see him in the cockpit again, but only after careful consultation with his medical care team. Thank you for the thorough analysis.

I wish Massa a thorough and speedy recovery, and while I hope he is able to drive again I hope that he gives consideration to not doing so. The type of injury he has sustained can have long-term implications, and the medical standard for Formula 1 drivers is of necessity set very high.

Again, I hope to see him in the cockpit again, but only after careful consultation with his medical care team.

]]> By: jordan GP fan http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-274029 jordan GP fan Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:47:52 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-274029 Re Kanaan- even he would be safer with a closed cockpit, the fuel wouldn't have come into his car. with explosive bolts you cld have a cockpit off very quickly! Re Kanaan- even he would be safer with a closed cockpit, the fuel wouldn’t have come into his car. with explosive bolts you cld have a cockpit off very quickly!

]]> By: ccolanto http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273834 ccolanto Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:20:07 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273834 look where it hit his helmet: http://www.marca.com/2009/07/29/motor/formula1/1248875519.html imagine it hit the visor? I doubt the visor would of stopped much… look where it hit his helmet:
http://www.marca.com/2009/07/29/motor/formula1/1248875519.html

imagine it hit the visor? I doubt the visor would of stopped much…

]]> By: Bernard http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273827 Bernard Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:14:22 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273827 What is more likely: a driver being hit by debris or being trapped upside down in a burning car? What is more likely: a driver being hit by debris or being trapped upside down in a burning car?

]]> By: DaveG27 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273803 DaveG27 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:35:03 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273803 Nice Article Because the object that hit Massa was a spring it would have been vibrating when it hit could have imparted some stored energy etc. which complicates the maths. Being a spring this is why it bounced for so long. On closed cockpits at present their is KERS and Fararri used lithium batteries which are a fire hazard and give of obnoxious fumes. I would not liked to have been in Raikkonen car with a closed cockpit when his batteries when wrong in practice a few months back. Nice Article
Because the object that hit Massa was a spring it would have been vibrating when it hit could have imparted some stored energy etc. which complicates the maths. Being a spring this is why it bounced for so long.
On closed cockpits at present their is KERS and Fararri used lithium batteries which are a fire hazard and give of obnoxious fumes. I would not liked to have been in Raikkonen car with a closed cockpit when his batteries when wrong in practice a few months back.

]]> By: Adrian http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273782 Adrian Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:44:33 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273782 One thing I've been wondering more in relation to Massa's injury and subsequent recovery; how did the force Massa experienced and his injury compare to those of Richard Hammond's Jet-Car accident a few years back. I only ask, because at the time there were a lot of similar headlines about how he'd never drive a car again, never ride a motorbike again and he we are a few years later with The Hamster driving and riding as much as ever. As I say, I only ask as I don't really know anything about head-trauma injuries and Richard Hammond is the best reference I have... One thing I’ve been wondering more in relation to Massa’s injury and subsequent recovery; how did the force Massa experienced and his injury compare to those of Richard Hammond’s Jet-Car accident a few years back.

I only ask, because at the time there were a lot of similar headlines about how he’d never drive a car again, never ride a motorbike again and he we are a few years later with The Hamster driving and riding as much as ever.

As I say, I only ask as I don’t really know anything about head-trauma injuries and Richard Hammond is the best reference I have…

]]> By: Maksutov http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273776 Maksutov Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:33:49 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273776 <blockquote>I’m not a big fan of math</blockquote> thats too bad. Specially considering that without it you wouldn't even have the computer to type your message with. Come to think of it, without maths, and the great people out there who work with it, you would now be living in a cave with apes instead. You wouldn't even have a square house, cause you couldn't work out the angles. :) enjoy

I’m not a big fan of math

thats too bad. Specially considering that without it you wouldn’t even have the computer to type your message with.

Come to think of it, without maths, and the great people out there who work with it, you would now be living in a cave with apes instead. You wouldn’t even have a square house, cause you couldn’t work out the angles. :)

enjoy

]]> By: Austin http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273730 Austin Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:14:43 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273730 My mistake. Sorry got Verstappen and Irvine mixed up. Forgot to read it before posting. My mistake. Sorry got Verstappen and Irvine mixed up. Forgot to read it before posting.

]]> By: Austin http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273722 Austin Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:00:16 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273722 Talking about flying cars and tires coming close to a drivers head, the one I can remember most to this day is Martin Brundle's miraculous escape in the Brazil GP of the very eventful 1994 season which the great Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger was killed. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAnpQvu794o Jos Verstappen tried to pass Eddie Irvine but banged wheels with him then Irvine going on to the grass turns back into Verstappen pushing him into Eric Bernard then Martin Brundle who was minding his own business, which then flips Irvine's car into the air with the right rear hitting Brundle's head. The way his head was hit and swinging side to side, I really thought I witnessed his death but he miraculously got out of the car and today we have the current best commentator on TV. This was pre HANS and side protection so it makes it even more miraculous to this day. Rubens Barichello also had a bad crash at the ill-fated San Marino GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0vQlYOKbs On the topic of cars going upside down Brundle has done that too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItC4s1WDAbU he's had lots of bad accidents but still here to tell the tale, he really is a very lucky man, but I believe that Martin Donnelly surpasses that in surviving crashes. I won't post the link here of the aftermath as its too graphic. Talking about flying cars and tires coming close to a drivers head, the one I can remember most to this day is Martin Brundle’s miraculous escape in the Brazil GP of the very eventful 1994 season which the great Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger was killed. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAnpQvu794o Jos Verstappen tried to pass Eddie Irvine but banged wheels with him then Irvine going on to the grass turns back into Verstappen pushing him into Eric Bernard then Martin Brundle who was minding his own business, which then flips Irvine’s car into the air with the right rear hitting Brundle’s head. The way his head was hit and swinging side to side, I really thought I witnessed his death but he miraculously got out of the car and today we have the current best commentator on TV. This was pre HANS and side protection so it makes it even more miraculous to this day. Rubens Barichello also had a bad crash at the ill-fated San Marino GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0vQlYOKbs

On the topic of cars going upside down Brundle has done that too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItC4s1WDAbU he’s had lots of bad accidents but still here to tell the tale, he really is a very lucky man, but I believe that Martin Donnelly surpasses that in surviving crashes. I won’t post the link here of the aftermath as its too graphic.

]]> By: Prash http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273719 Prash Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:35:36 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273719 a very nice informative article, there's still lots to learn in F1. Always wondered how much could have a spring impacted someone's life a very nice informative article, there’s still lots to learn in F1. Always wondered how much could have a spring impacted someone’s life

]]> By: Matt http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273718 Matt Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:34:45 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273718 The Formula is correct. Ek = ½MV² The Formula is correct.

Ek = ½MV²

]]> By: Maurice http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273717 Maurice Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:34:06 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273717 yeh 1/2 mv squared v is the closing velocity of course ok the spring isnt apoint mass or inelastic but its close enough yeh 1/2 mv squared v is the closing velocity of course

ok the spring isnt apoint mass or inelastic but its close enough

]]> By: K http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273690 K Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:27:55 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273690 <blockquote>If the same thing causes a death in F1’s future...</blockquote> It already has in F1's past.

If the same thing causes a death in F1’s future…

It already has in F1’s past.

]]> By: AA http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273625 AA Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:59:02 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273625 /2 * mass * velocity^2 that we learned in school? I think we went to different schools.... /2 * mass * velocity^2 that we learned in school? I think we went to different schools….

]]> By: Muawiya http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273614 Muawiya Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:35:26 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273614 Superb article.. And nice to hear news about Massa's recovery. Superb article.. And nice to hear news about Massa’s recovery.

]]> By: DGR-F1 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273611 DGR-F1 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:22:12 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273611 On the subject of the relative safety given by a closed cockpit, is it possible to find any statements from the Le Mans organisers as to why they feel it will be safer in the future for the LMP cars than just having open cockpits? Although the LMP cars are designed with more bodywork than an F1 car, they have been known to roll over in the past, and as far as I could see on this years cars, there are only really small doors for a quick exit, after you have untied your harness, and the doors don't appear to be that easy to open from the outside, either, making it difficult to escape from an upside down car, even with help from the marshalls. Otherwise, for the F1 cars and similar open-wheelers, maybe a compromise wrap-round screen might be the thing, but how big, strong and aerodynamic it would have to be is a possible dilema. And what about the IRL cars? Has there been any debate over these lastest accidents from them? On the subject of the relative safety given by a closed cockpit, is it possible to find any statements from the Le Mans organisers as to why they feel it will be safer in the future for the LMP cars than just having open cockpits?
Although the LMP cars are designed with more bodywork than an F1 car, they have been known to roll over in the past, and as far as I could see on this years cars, there are only really small doors for a quick exit, after you have untied your harness, and the doors don’t appear to be that easy to open from the outside, either, making it difficult to escape from an upside down car, even with help from the marshalls.
Otherwise, for the F1 cars and similar open-wheelers, maybe a compromise wrap-round screen might be the thing, but how big, strong and aerodynamic it would have to be is a possible dilema.
And what about the IRL cars? Has there been any debate over these lastest accidents from them?

]]> By: savage http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273606 savage Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:08:40 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273606 All this talk of fighter jet canopies is crazy , fantastic in a film like speed racer or something like that but this is not realistic for current f1 . totally impractical . Can't wait for Massa's view's on the incident and he thought the danger was from a rookie ! All this talk of fighter jet canopies is crazy , fantastic in a film like speed racer or something like that but this is not realistic for current f1 .
totally impractical .
Can’t wait for Massa’s view’s on the incident and he thought the danger was from a rookie !

]]> By: Karlos http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273601 Karlos Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:50:44 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273601 Erm, you can't have physics without maths! Stop splitting hairs! Erm, you can’t have physics without maths! Stop splitting hairs!

]]> By: Ronman http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/28/how-hard-was-massa-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-273598 Ronman Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:23:10 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=23421#comment-273598 Great Stuff, i was waiting for someone to quantify the force...and it sounds just about right. but personally i thought that at 800 grams and almost the size of a fist, it would pack a bigger punch. Massa must be the unluckiest lucky man in F1. the chances for such a small thing to hit possibly the second weakest point in his helmet, and for him to survive that, is amazing, and I'm hoping for a very quick recovery... Great Stuff, i was waiting for someone to quantify the force…and it sounds just about right. but personally i thought that at 800 grams and almost the size of a fist, it would pack a bigger punch. Massa must be the unluckiest lucky man in F1. the chances for such a small thing to hit possibly the second weakest point in his helmet, and for him to survive that, is amazing, and I’m hoping for a very quick recovery…

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